Thursday, 3 December 2015

God is my Father, Mary and the Church are my Mother

Considering the latest from Pope Francis, I am reminded of the balderised words in Catholic Book of Worship III approved by child pornography aficionado and former Bishop of Antigonish Raymond Lahey." Fatherlike, God gently bears us, well our feeble frame God knows. Motherlike, God gently bears us, rescues us from all our woes."

In the thirteenth chapter of the Gospel of St. Luke at verse thirty-four Jesus addresses the holy city with:
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 
We have the medieval symbol as St. Thomas Aquinas reminds us in Adore te devote, "Pie pelicane, Jesu Domine." The icon of the ancient myth of a pelican piercing its breast to feed its blood to her chicks was a medieval symbol of Christ as shown on this icon of St. Pio of Pietrelcina. 

These do not mean that God is our mother. There are also those who believe that the Holy Spirit is the feminine of God and that Mary usurped the role.

To refer to God as "mother" whom Jesus only referred to as Father is simply wrong. I highly recommend you read Rorate Caeli's post because I am just too gobsmacked and dumbfounded to write anything reasonably coherent.

Perhaps, he's been reading Swami Ranganathananda. 

And speaking of the feminine.


Sandpiper said...

The pope is a gross man.

Anonymous said...

Pope John Paul I (that's "one") did say, "Let us remember that the God who is our Father is also our Mother."

BrazilianJoe said...

Hi, Vox

Take a look at this:

Real all, but for the matter specially #13.

Mark Thomas said...

I am very surprised at Rorate Caeli's massive mistake. That is, Rorate Caeli's commentary on Pope Francis is way off base.

Rorate Caeli is unaware apparently that Pope Francis' "God is Father and Mother" is:

1. Orthodox in context.

2. An unmistakable reference to the Catechism of the Catholic Church #239. How on earth is Rorate Caeli unaware of CCC #239?

Rorate Caeli quoted Pope Francis as follows: "Not everyone understands when there is talk of *******“God’s maternity,”******* it’s not a popular language – in the good sense of the word – it seems a language that is somewhat chosen.

"Therefore, I prefer to use the word *******tenderness*******, proper to a *******mother*******, the *******tenderness of God*******, *******tenderness born from the paternal insides*******. God is Father and Mother."

Again, I am amazed that Rorate Caeli was way, way off the mark in their failure to recognize that Pope Francis referenced the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, #239.

Now, note Catechism of the Catholic Church #239: "God's parental *******tenderness ******* can also be expressed by the image of *******motherhood*******, which emphasizes God's immanence, the intimacy between Creator and creature."

"We ought therefore to recall that God transcends the human distinction between the sexes. He is neither man nor woman: he is God. He also transcends human fatherhood and motherhood, although he is their origin and standard."

Pope Francis simply referenced CCC #239.


Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

It is also vital to note, in keeping with Pope Francis' reference to CCC #239, that in CCC #240, "Jesus revealed that God is Father in an unheard-of sense: he is Father not only in being Creator; he is eternally Father in relation to his only Son, who is eternally Son only in relation to his Father."

God is Father as the CCC makes clear. Pope Francis did not say otherwise. That is where Rorate Caeli made it's mistake.

Rorate Caeli insisted that "it is quite another thing to directly refer to God as "Mother" - something for which there is absolutely no warrant in both Scripture and Tradition."

Pope Francis did not do that. Pope Francis referenced clearly the Church's teaching in CCC #239, which reads:

"God's parental tenderness can also be expressed by the image of motherhood."

Again, Pope Francis referenced that 100 percent when he said (here is his complete statement):

"Yes, He himself affirms it when He says in Isaiah that perhaps a mother can forget her child, a mother can also forget her child ... “I, instead, will never forget you.”

******* "Here God’s maternal dimension is seen. Not everyone understands when there is talk of “God’s maternity,”******* it’s not a popular language – in the good sense of the word – it seems a language that is somewhat chosen.

"Therefore, I prefer to use *******tenderness, proper to a mother, the tenderness of God, tenderness born from the paternal insides.******* God is Father and Mother."

Again, how is it that Rorate Caeli botched so badly its "analysis" of Pope Francis' clear reference to the 100 percent orthodox teaching that is found in #239 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church?


Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

Finally, Vox-permitting, I offer the following:

Rorate Caeli botched it's "analysis" of Pope Francis' comment so badly that Rorate, attacked Pope Francis comments while having admitted the following:

"It is true that a handful of medieval Western devotional authors referred on occasion to God, or Christ, as "Mother"; Julian of Norwich and St. Anselm of Canterbury are the most-cited examples. There is also Pope John Paul I's reference to God as "He is our father; even more he is our mother", during one of his audiences..."

Rorate Caeli had to admit that centuries ago, long before Pope Francis, Catholics, including Saints, referred (in orthodox fashion) to God as Father and "Mother".

By the way, Saint Faustina said to Jesus Christ, "Jesus, You are my Mother".

Also...Jesus referenced himself as did Saints Moses, and Paul.


Mark Thomas

DJR said...

Sometimes there are just no words.

When things are finally straightened out at some point in the future, I wonder what in the world the people at that time will think of us.

Anonymous said...

In normal times people would not read to much in to such a statement ,but these are not normal times .Masculinity is under attack as never before as is feminity ,the very terms mother and father are now been replaced with parent A and parent B and C in some cases .Don't be surprised if future prayerbooks don't have Christ praying Our Parent who art in Heaven .