Phyllis Zagano wants $50.00 - and U.S. too!

A delightful email arrived in my inbox last night. It seems that I published too many words.

The link is now there instead of the whole article.

$50.00?

That's all your work is worth?

I would like to encourage people to make a donation in the name of Phyllis Zagano to the Society of St. Pius X's new seminary project. Remember, a donation of $5,000 will have Phyllis' name engraved on a plaque in a seminarian's room.

https://www.newseminaryproject.org/donate/

From: Phyllis Zagano [mailto:Phyllis.Zagano@Hofstra.edu]
Sent: December 12, 2016 8:26 PM
To: voxcantoris@rogers.com
Subject: invoice

Sirs,

I note you have published one of my columns (http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2016/07/phyllis-zagano-and-national-schismatic.html.) Please remit your payment of U.S. $50 immediately, to the below.

Phyllis Zagano, Ph.D.
Senior Research Associate-in-Residence
Department of Religion-Heger 104B
115 Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY 11549
516-463-5615 (office)
516-463-2201 (fax)

http://people.hofstra.edu/faculty/Phyllis_Zagano/

http://www.fios1news.com/longisland/hofstra-professor-chosen-by-pope-francis-for-commission-aug-3-2016#.V6dUG7grKCh

Yes, if you believe in women deacons, you are an apostate

As you probably have concluded, unlike Mark P. Shea, I don't generally fight with people in my combox. I post and you express your opinion. I don't argue with you for clickbait, which wouldn't matter because unlike those at Pathetic dot com and those such as Shea, Fisher, Schimek and others, I do not get paid for this. I have a real job.

What I will say is that if you are going to hit me, I am going to hit you back, in the manner of Donald J. Trump.


So, here it comes.

I have posted a few times on the matter of deaconettes/deaconesses. Let us be clear, there were no women deacons in any ordained ministry or liturgical role. Those who tell you otherwise are liars. Those who advocate for this are apostatising from the Catholic faith. This includes Phyllis Zagano and James Martin, S.J., and any other advocate no matter what colour of cassock they wear, if they were to even wear one.

Let us be clear. Any Catholic who believes that women can be ordained are apostates and do not believe that Our Lord Jesus Christ is God. It is that simple. Jesus is God incarnate. He was not bound by the culture of his time. If Jesus wanted to ordain women as priests he would have done so. He did not. Nor did he do this and the Holy Apostles and Evangelists covered it up. They did not go to their deaths for a lie, they went for the ultimate Truth. Had Jesus wanted women ordained as priests or deacons to fulfil a ministerial or liturgical role than the Apostles would have done it, recorded it, the Early Church would have adopted it and this post would not be written. Period. 

The matter is closed, John Paul II, a Pope declared a Saint by Francis affirmed this. Francis' re-opening of the debate can at best be described as, mischief.

All this being said, including the combox remarks. if someone, particularly "anonymous" wishes to argue with me or disrespect me, let me be clear. you do not get the last word. I do.

This is my blog. If you don't like it, then go read John 6 and do it. 

What I find most interesting though is that this blog and many, many others of better quality are really making people angry, making Satan angry. We are, in fact, succeeding. If we were not, then the tirade of comments that I have been receiving as of late, in these slow blog reader days of August, would not be happening. 

The discussion below is not from my Canonist but what I find interesting is that I suspect that it is from a priest. Why? This quote: "You want to obsess on Tridentine liturgy, go ahead. No one is listening." 

In discussion with a good friend, he has opined that some who are "obsess" about the "Tridentine liturgy" have what one might say is "all lace and no grace." It is entirely show. This person, if a priest as I suspect, is one of those who is all lace and no grace, though, I doubt that there is even any grace. One can be "obsessed" about Tridentine liturgy but not convicted as a Catholic, it is done without context. What this comment shows it that this person is that. Typically, in many dioceses, the chancery officials don't care if you celebrate a Latin EF Mass here and there, "it's all worship" as one Monsignor has said to me. But if that priest preaches on abortion, sodomy, adultery, proper reception of Holy Communion, or moves the tabernacle to the middle of the sanctuary, faces it or makes it possible for people to kneel, then watch out. As one priest known to me was recently told, "this is Canada, not Rome."

What these people are afraid of is that they see the future and realise that it is a collapse of everything they believe in. They don't believe in Christ, they don't believe in supernatural faith. They are modernists and syncretists and as far as Jesus goes, they are at best, Arians. 

We are winning friends, it may not look like it but we are and my friend below does not get the last word, I do.

Anonymous said...
Misogyny, even when shouted from the steeple of a church, is still misogyny.
1:33 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
It has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with ontology. Clearly, you don't get it.
2:30 pm, August 24, 2016
Anonymous said...
You can fishwrap it any way you want to disguise it, but it's all mansplaining - not christianity.
5:50 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
"Fishwrap?" You have the wrong place.
Now, you are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.
5:59 pm, August 24, 2016
Anonymous said...
You want to obsess on Tridentine liturgy, go ahead. No one is listening.
But to state that Phyllis Zagano is an apostate relegates this blog to the status of fishwrap my friend.
They still have a few old school confessionals left in Canada I believe...
11:10 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
Sorry, my anonymous coward, as for your last, you do not get the last word on this blog!
See this morning's post.

I say Deaconnettes, you say Deaconesses, Don't expect that they'll call the whole thing off!

Father Z is reporting on the founding of the commission to study "Deaconettes."  He writes two posts, first on the new commission, and then on losing ones souls for something less than even Wales, (no offense to the Welsh).

I note that Phyllis Zagano is on the commission. 

Surprise.

Zagano was in Toronto a few months ago speaking at St. Michael's College on this very subject. A few days later, Francis of Rome mused about the idea, it just popped into his head. The College is a Basilian institution.

I note that one of the panelists was Rev. Brian Clough. I attended his first Mass, oh maybe around 1967 or so. My dad was his family's barber. He was an up-and-comer to be sure and highly regarded. He went on to become seminary rector and was then sent away for more education. He returned decades ago and is still the Judicial Vicar for the Archdiocese of Toronto. I wonder what Father Clough's position is on deaconettes?

A few weeks ago, Zagano provided a screed to the NonCatholicReporter defending the claims by a certain Basilian priest that bloggers are full of vitriol and hate.

The Novus Ordo liturgy is a bastard rite. It is lead by a bastard theology and a bastard church.

Don't believe it will happen?

Well, friends. Francis has "full, immediate and universal jurisdiction." He is a Peronist and a Marxist. He refused to kneel before God in the Eucharist but grovels before man.

Don't think he'll do it?

The world is burning from a lack of faith in Christ and this Pope thinks we should have deaconettes.

Rorate reports that the sodomite pervert from Belgium, Roger Vangheluwe and protected friend of Godfried Danneels who led the campaign to place this Peronist, Bergoglio, in the Seat of Peter, authored a book on the subject of deaconettes. 

You remember Vangheluwe, right? He was the one that raped his own nephew, buggered him and then the pervert protector Daneels, the one who led the Gallen Mafia to elect Bergoglio told the nephew to back off.

Bergoglio has removed the bishops of Kansas City and Minneapolis, one in Italy as I recall, another in Central America and maybe more for not properly dealing with cases of abuse. Fine. I accept that they made mistakes. What I cannot accept is that the same vigour is not applied equally to those bishops and cardinals who have done the same or more and yet, not only survive, but prosper under this sham of a papacy.

One more thing.

Remember that the St. Gallen Mafia wanted Francis to “speed things up.” As I reported previously on Uncle Teddy McCarrick’s video presentation at Villanova University where he reflected on being lobbied by a “very brilliant man, a very influential man in Rome,” who said to him, “If we gave him five years, he could put us back on target.” He then instructed Uncle Teddy to “talk him up.”

Remember, it was Archbishop Fernandez, a man elevated by Bergoglio and the author of the art of kissing who said, “If one day he should intuit that he’s (Francis) running out of time and he doesn’t have enough time to do what the Spirit is asking him, you can be sure he will speed up.”

Hmmm, “he doesn’t have enough time” and “you can be sure he will speed up.”

So, it seems that Bergoglio knows his time is short.

So does someone else.

Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth, and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time. Apoc. 12.12

It is all coming together friends; and it is going to fall down around all of them.

Parce Domine, Parce populo tuo. Ne in aeternum, irascaris nobis.