Bergoglio will approve women "deacons"

“I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man.” 1 Timothy 2:12.

There were no woman deacons. There were "deaconesses." They were the wives of Deacons. There main role was to assist in charity particularly the assisting with the baptism of women by immersion to ensure modesty.

These minions say that Francis will not the "right moment" to act. Therefore, they have already told of us of his decision. We can presume he decided two years ago to approve "women deacons" and he struck this commission, not to seek the truth and facts, but to carry out his wishes and give him cover to do it. As for the timing, he will wait until the next abuse matter by his sodomite priests and bishops and his own filthy pervert cover-up in order to deflect.

Women as "deaconesses" had no liturgical role. They were never ordained. There is no ministry. If women wish to serve, they can be active sisters or contemplative nuns.

Those who proffer this bovine excrement are heretics. That includes everyone who participated in this sham and the Bishop of Rome that ordered it.

The Church is under a diabolical attack. It has taken over the hearts, minds and souls of most of its bishops and cardinals and priests. Most? Yes, most. If it were not, then they would rise up and opposed this error. 

You and I as Catholics must remain faithful to Christ and His Church and the entire magisterial teaching. You and I must oppose these wicked people and their machinations.

More on womyn deacons - Bergoglio will be the one who "splits the Church"

Remember that off the cuff remark from Bergoglio to study women deacons? Notwithstanding that is has been studied previously. We have also reported previously on this matter. There were never women deacons. Those who may have been called such were the wives of deacons and assisted at the sacrament of baptism which was full immersion, and for a woman, they aided with maintaining modesty.

Women were never, ever deacons in any liturgical sense. They were never to preach in Church. St.Paul forbid it, so does Canon Law. 

This is part of Bergoglio's wrteched plan to make the Church over into his image. He can play with it all he wants. He will be struck down because of it one day and he will be judged by the LORD for his grievous crimes against the Church and Faith, may he repent.

What follows is a story today from Fra. Cristoforo. 

But worry not Voxers, if this happens, rest assured, it will not be for long. The Church will split, those who have done this will be part of the anti-Church and the anti-Christ. The real Church will rise again, a holy Pope will come and declare all of this anathema. 

Those who have done this will burn in Hell, if they do not repent.

And remember from where the fish rots first.

https://anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/02/25/spifferi-parte-ix-particolari-troppo-inediti-di-fra-cristoforo/

Fra Cristoforo "Drafts Part IX: two new details”

In the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, there is a room used as a, "coffee break room," where there are cakes, pies, microwave, etc., it is on the first floor).  There is also a sitting room where the leaders of various denominations come together.

In this room a few days ago, I was told by a famous official of that department, of an unpublished draft that is part of  a plan  they are working on "to accelerate the female diaconate." To be fair, I explain something important. The women deacons in the Catholic Church, will not be like that of men. Women will be a "shoot,” and can only preach, and will not have "power" to bless (except in exceptional cases). They can give communion, and they can preach. The Baptisms they can only do this if lacking a "suitable” minister, in case of extreme necessity (anyone can do this.) if there is no priest or deacon.

But it seems to me that it is grave, regardless. Also because, as we know, the intention is to make gradually "normal" such a thing. So there will be no difference between us and the Lutherans, and then clear all that's left.
An official of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (South American), I will not name, it reports that Muller "is a failed man."

That is where he is because Bergoglio is giving him a favor. It seems that his replacement is just Maradiaga.

It is always good to know that there so much risk in what I refer. But I agree that it is more just rumour, at least in my consciousness. And if they catch me, so be it.

I have only told the truth.

Cristoforo

Is Bergoglio about to force WomenDeaconettes on the Church?

Did you, good reader, happen to catch that little moment of profound homiletical wisdom emanating as sweet frankenonsense from the mouth of Bergoglio at the Vatican Motel, the one about women?

I will quote all of it so that you can get the context and lest we ever be accused of manipulating the words of the Bishop of Rome:

“When women are not there, harmony is missing. We might say: But this is a society with a strong masculine attitude, and this is the case, no? The woman is missing. ‘Yes, yes: the woman is there to wash the dishes, to do things…’ No, no, no! The woman is there to bring harmony. Without the woman there is no harmony. They are not equal; one is not superior to the other: no. It’s just that the man does not bring harmony. It’s her. It is she who brings that harmony that teaches us to caress, to love with tenderness; and who makes the world a beautiful place.”

“And they looked at me, they looked me in the eyes – I’ll never forget those eyes, eh? – then they turned and they told me, both together: ‘We are in love.’ After 60 years, this means ‘one flesh.’ And this is what the woman brings: the capacity to love one another. Harmony for the world. Often we hear: ‘No, it is necessary in this society, in this institution, that here there should be a woman because she does this, she does these things.’ No, no, no, no! Functionality is not the purpose of women. It is true that women should do things, to do things as we all do. The purpose of women is to make harmony, and without women there is no harmony in the world. Exploiting persons is a crime of ‘lèse-humanité’: it’s true. But exploiting a woman is even more serious: it is destroying the harmony that God has chosen to give to the world. It is to destroy.

This is the great gift of God: He has given us woman. And in the Gospel, we have heard what a woman is capable of, eh? She is courageous, that one, eh? She went forward with courage. But there is more, so much more. A woman is harmony, is poetry, is beauty. Without her the world would not be so beautiful, it would not be harmonious. And I like to think – but this is a personal thing – that God created women so that we would all have a mother.

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/02/09/pope_women_bring_harmony_that_makes_the_world_beautiful/1291436

What do you think he is talking about?

When I read this last week, I said to myself, "he is setting us up." He is turning the Church upside down and he is telling us the intends to have womynpriests, but you see, before there can be womynpriests, there need to be womyndeacons.

And look belowe, courtesy of Hilary White, what we have found.

And as I've written previously, do not be surprised if Bergoglio calls a Council. That's right, Vatican III, to enshrine his heresy and "split the Church," just as he promised.

Remember, this is the Vicar of Christ who spoke about people who "eat shit," you know, magiare merda or manger de la merde, or comer meirda; (pardon the bluntness, but that his what he said) coprophagia, and derive sexual stimulation for from it, coprophilia.

Eat shit from the mouth of the "Pope."

Yeah, a true Vicar of Jesus Christ.

And I have some ice to sell today to our Inuit, 'cause Eskimo is so politically incorrect.

https://anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/02/13/spifferi-parte-iii-i-grandi-rinnovamenti-di-bergoglio-di-fra-cristoforo/

(bear with the computer translation, no time to clean it up)

https://anonimidellacroce.wordpress.com/2017/02/13/spifferi-parte-iii-i-grandi-rinnovamenti-di-bergoglio-di-fra-cristoforo/

"Drafts Part III: the big" renovations "of Bergoglio" Fra Cristoforo

I'll tell you a story. Last Thursday, in one of the Bar present in front of the Porta S. Anna (front of the Vatican State), go out for coffee a Monsignor (very near Bergoglio), in his fifties, and a layman. 
The discussion falls on "dubia". The Monsignor, with making "sufficient" says: "The Pope will never answer to" dubia "of the 4 cardinal. She will never fall to their level. Francis has much bigger projects, which do not stop 
to Italy. The only hitch in this period was the election of Trump ".

To the layman he responded: "And what does Trump with the Amoris Laetitia?". "Got to do and how," he replied the Monsignor, continuing: "The intent was to support the Clinton, because Francis had 
a special relationship. Often they feel. And the goal to be reached was that the Catholic Church should have some clear principles of "non-negotiable", so soft, so that even the Vatican had 
a strong global political support, which in this time of need, especially for large maneuvers that will come. "

On this we must give an account to the great Assange..leggete here 
( http://formiche.net/2016/10/21/clinton-podesta-papa-francesco/ ) .... 
The increasingly secular amazed: "And such maneuvers must arrive"? The Monsignor sips the last drop of coffee and says, "but you have not yet realized that the vision that you have of the Church is outdated? Do not you understand that the Pope today is a world leader? That if he stayed Ratzinger we all failed. Do you know what the next maneuver? Just the diaconate to women. Because it is the only way to show our concrete closeness to the Lutherans and Anglicans. And you'll see that by November we will also have the diaconate to women. Maybe not equal to what you think. But it will approach a lot. " "WITHIN November".

Here it is. So. Papal Papal what was said by Monsignor of SDS (Secretary of State), in a "state" confidential. 
Now we pause to reflect. Piazza San Pietro is almost always empty (and TV in 2000 still frames that group of people massed in front of the window). What does it matter to Bergoglio of the faithful? From the content of this conversation it shows that the Argentine has far broader evangelization projects. Often he said that evangelization is a form of proselytism that is not good. Recently also he said that he cares if some congregations there are many vocations.

Here it is. He seeks only himself. Try to concentrate on if the spotlight, and not step on the streets to anyone because he is the LEADER. And of Jesus Christ it does not matter a damn. Other than St. Paul. The Apostle of the Gentiles said "We are considered the garbage of the world" (1 Cor 4.9 to 13).Just because he put evangelization first. Instead Bergoglio at the expense of Christ and the salvation of souls, you want him in the first place. Dear readers, this is the reality. And this week there will be more terrifying news.But I leave the earlier press releases.

The sense of my anonymity is just that. I am a priest, but I HAVE to stay anonymous. Otherwise I would not have any chance to write these things.I've thought a lot in recent months. But still I can not "come out" publicly.However, I consider important that the faithful "know" the dynamics that evolve in the See of Peter. And these discussions as "bar" for me are extremely relevant. And in conscience, to communicate.

among Cristoforo

Archbishop Paul-Andre Durocher - You have your reward!

Again, one doesn't need go far these days to figure out what to blog about. There are enough clowns in clerics that it just sort of writes itself.

During the Synod on the Family last October, Paul-Andre Durocher, the Archbishop of Hull, in Quebec, a dying Diocese with no vocations and empty churches, pushed the idea of women deacons. 

We reported on that back then. What that had to do with a Synod on the Family is still not comprehensible.

The National "Catholic" Reporter, a newspaper that is still in defiance with the use of Catholic in its masthead, is granting our boy Durocher, an award. Catholic Intelligence Blog has broken the story.

What is it with these priests and bishops and awards?

“I know that I am being given this award because of my intervention at the Synod last October inviting my brother bishops to study the question of women being ordained to the permanent diaconate,” Durocher wrote. “This was one of a few proposals I made to recognize the gifts that women can bring to leadership and teaching functions within the Church. The heart of my intervention considered the ongoing violence perpetrated by men against their spouses in a conjugal relationship.

So, we need Deaconettes because some guys beat their wives?

UPDATE:

I am privileged to have some excellent commenters and I am thankful for this link and reminder.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19860725_carlo-curran_en.html

The several dissenting positions which this Congregation contested, namely, on a right to public dissent from the ordinary Magisterium, the indissolubility of consummated sacramental marriage, abortion, euthanasia, masturbation, artificial contraception, premarital intercourse and homosexual acts, were listed carefully enough in the above-mentioned observations in July of 1983 and have since been published. There is no point in entering into any detail concerning the fact that you do indeed dissent on these issues.

It is the condemnation by the Pope John Paul II himself under the pen of then Cardinal Ratzinger of the heretical Charles Curran.

Why would Archbishop Durocher consent to be involved with any conference that also features Curran?

A case of birds of a feather, no doubt.

What a curse we Catholics in Canada must endure from these unfaithful, arrogant, emasculated overseers. They don't deserve our respect.

Never has the expression, "he has his reward" been more apt.

FutureChurch honors Canadian archbishop for advancing discussion of women's leadership

Traci Badalucco  |  Sep. 20, 2016 NCR Today

Women deacons

A Canadian archbishop will be recognized in Cleveland Thursday for his efforts in advancing the discussion of female deacons and promoting female leadership within the Catholic church.
FutureChurch [1] -- a Catholic reform organization that advocates for more collaborative and inclusive structures in the church -- will Sept. 22 present Archbishop Paul-André Durocher of the Gatineau diocese with the Father Louis J. Trivison Award at its 26th Annual Fall Benefit in Cleveland, Ohio.
FutureChurch is honoring Durocher for what it called "his visionary proposal during the 2015 Family Synod in Rome calling on bishops to discuss women deacons and expand leadership for women in the Church including greater opportunities for preaching."
The award is named for the organization's late co-founder.
"Archbishop Durocher's leadership deserves recognition because he calls the Church to fully recognize and engage women's gifts, ministries and leadership, a key component of FutureChurch's mission," said Deborah Rose-Milavec, executive director, in a Sept. 20 press release.
"FutureChurch supporters began working to advance women in church leadership in the early '90s and, we are grateful that the work continues today through their efforts and the efforts of Catholic leaders like Archbishop Durocher," she said.
In an email to NCR Sept. 21*, Durocher confirmed that he would be accepting the award from FutureChurch via livestream.
"I know that I am being given this award because of my intervention at the Synod last October inviting my brother bishops to study the question of women being ordained to the permanent diaconate," Durocher wrote. "This was one of a few proposals I made to recognize the gifts that women can bring to leadership and teaching functions within the Church. The heart of my intervention considered the ongoing violence perpetrated by men against their spouses in a conjugal relationship.
"Acknowledging the gifts of women within ecclesiastical structures is one way the Church can teach by example that women's dignity is inviolable and needs to be protected and celebrated within the marriage covenant," he continued. "In accepting this award, my mind and heart will be with the millions of women who continue to suffer from the scourge of conjugal abuse." 
At the 2015 Synod of Bishops on the family in Rome, Durocher used part of his three-minute intervention to talk about female deacons. He spoke to NCR in May about the intervention [2].
"Since the synod members themselves and the pope in his letter didn't refer to the role of women in the church very clearly, I was hoping it was a seed planted in the ground and praying it would bear fruit at one point, but I didn't know if it would," Durocher told NCR in a May phone interview shortly after Pope Francis announced the creation of a commission to study female deacons[3].
Durocher said that a number of bishops he spoke with at the synod were favorable of studying the idea.
Rose-Milavec, who was also in Rome during the synod, said she spoke with Durocher after his speech about how he would continue his efforts in advocating for more female inclusiveness in the church.
"He promised he would continue working with his own bishops in Canada," Rose-Milavec told NCR in a Sept. 20 phone interview. "I think he was inspired by some of them. We wanted to honor that."
This year's Annual Fall Benefit is especially important, said Rose-Milavec, due to Francis' creating the commission on female deacons.
"This is the stuff we've been working for for a very long time," she said. "We are hopeful that we will have a good outcome to the commission."
At the time of the synod and after Durocher's intervention, FutureChurch launched a petition to support his proposal. The organization received 8,500 signatures from FutureChurch supporters "within a couple of days," Rose-Milavec said.
Around 140 people are expected to attend the FutureChurch event at the Cleveland Airport Marriott.
Durocher is scheduled to appear via livestream to accept the award and to address the assembly.
Fr. Charles Curran, a theology professor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, will also speak at the event about Francis' Amoris Laetitia ("The Joy of Love") an apostolic exhortation reflecting on the family.
Rose-Milavec said the April 8 release of Amoris Laetitia also makes this a particular year for the church. "We think that within that document there are brand new openings on conscience," she said. "And Fr. Charlie Curran has been at the forefront of that discussion for a very long time."
Rose-Milavec said Curran will discuss topics including ways in which Catholics can rely on their conscience, who should be included and excluded in the church, and how to relate to the church.
[Traci Badalucco is an NCR Bertelsen intern.]
*This article was updated with Archbishop Durocher's response at 12:38  p.m. CST.

Yes, if you believe in women deacons, you are an apostate

As you probably have concluded, unlike Mark P. Shea, I don't generally fight with people in my combox. I post and you express your opinion. I don't argue with you for clickbait, which wouldn't matter because unlike those at Pathetic dot com and those such as Shea, Fisher, Schimek and others, I do not get paid for this. I have a real job.

What I will say is that if you are going to hit me, I am going to hit you back, in the manner of Donald J. Trump.


So, here it comes.

I have posted a few times on the matter of deaconettes/deaconesses. Let us be clear, there were no women deacons in any ordained ministry or liturgical role. Those who tell you otherwise are liars. Those who advocate for this are apostatising from the Catholic faith. This includes Phyllis Zagano and James Martin, S.J., and any other advocate no matter what colour of cassock they wear, if they were to even wear one.

Let us be clear. Any Catholic who believes that women can be ordained are apostates and do not believe that Our Lord Jesus Christ is God. It is that simple. Jesus is God incarnate. He was not bound by the culture of his time. If Jesus wanted to ordain women as priests he would have done so. He did not. Nor did he do this and the Holy Apostles and Evangelists covered it up. They did not go to their deaths for a lie, they went for the ultimate Truth. Had Jesus wanted women ordained as priests or deacons to fulfil a ministerial or liturgical role than the Apostles would have done it, recorded it, the Early Church would have adopted it and this post would not be written. Period. 

The matter is closed, John Paul II, a Pope declared a Saint by Francis affirmed this. Francis' re-opening of the debate can at best be described as, mischief.

All this being said, including the combox remarks. if someone, particularly "anonymous" wishes to argue with me or disrespect me, let me be clear. you do not get the last word. I do.

This is my blog. If you don't like it, then go read John 6 and do it. 

What I find most interesting though is that this blog and many, many others of better quality are really making people angry, making Satan angry. We are, in fact, succeeding. If we were not, then the tirade of comments that I have been receiving as of late, in these slow blog reader days of August, would not be happening. 

The discussion below is not from my Canonist but what I find interesting is that I suspect that it is from a priest. Why? This quote: "You want to obsess on Tridentine liturgy, go ahead. No one is listening." 

In discussion with a good friend, he has opined that some who are "obsess" about the "Tridentine liturgy" have what one might say is "all lace and no grace." It is entirely show. This person, if a priest as I suspect, is one of those who is all lace and no grace, though, I doubt that there is even any grace. One can be "obsessed" about Tridentine liturgy but not convicted as a Catholic, it is done without context. What this comment shows it that this person is that. Typically, in many dioceses, the chancery officials don't care if you celebrate a Latin EF Mass here and there, "it's all worship" as one Monsignor has said to me. But if that priest preaches on abortion, sodomy, adultery, proper reception of Holy Communion, or moves the tabernacle to the middle of the sanctuary, faces it or makes it possible for people to kneel, then watch out. As one priest known to me was recently told, "this is Canada, not Rome."

What these people are afraid of is that they see the future and realise that it is a collapse of everything they believe in. They don't believe in Christ, they don't believe in supernatural faith. They are modernists and syncretists and as far as Jesus goes, they are at best, Arians. 

We are winning friends, it may not look like it but we are and my friend below does not get the last word, I do.

Anonymous said...
Misogyny, even when shouted from the steeple of a church, is still misogyny.
1:33 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
It has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with ontology. Clearly, you don't get it.
2:30 pm, August 24, 2016
Anonymous said...
You can fishwrap it any way you want to disguise it, but it's all mansplaining - not christianity.
5:50 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
"Fishwrap?" You have the wrong place.
Now, you are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.
5:59 pm, August 24, 2016
Anonymous said...
You want to obsess on Tridentine liturgy, go ahead. No one is listening.
But to state that Phyllis Zagano is an apostate relegates this blog to the status of fishwrap my friend.
They still have a few old school confessionals left in Canada I believe...
11:10 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
Sorry, my anonymous coward, as for your last, you do not get the last word on this blog!
See this morning's post.