Originally published on February 15, 2015
Has the Church's pastoral advice since Vatican II been wrong on Islam? That is a provocative question for a faithful Catholic to ask.
All revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, Saint John the Evangelist. To say otherwise is heresy. Muslims believe the Gospels were corrupted and that Jesus was a Muslim, himself.
We can't both be right. There is no convergence, there is certainly no "Chrislam," as some deceived "Christians" and one-world religion globalists would like to see. This is not only heresy, but real and true blasphemy.
The Second Vatican Council and the Popes since, have confused the faithful in the message that they have sent in the desire for what is dialogue and a false oecumenism. They have allowed millions of souls to perish into Hell -- souls of our Muslim brothers and sisters lost forever to the father of lies who spawned their founder. He was no prophet but a scheming, lecherous, murderous, thief, rapist and child-molester.
Our last three popes have prayed in a mosque or invited prayer with their religious leaders. The current Bishop of Rome even invited an Imam to pray in the Vatican. It is a blasphemy and a sin against the First Commandment.
According to current Church thinking, Muslims "profess" the God of Abraham. They have at best a warped and severely distorted view of God. They deny the Blessed Trinity and vehemently so, it is one of the fundamental issues between us and they are explicit about this. They deny the divinity of Christ and His Sonship. They deny his crucifixion and his resurrection and the apostles and their followers were all liars. It has its roots in Arianism.
Yet at the same time, they believe that Jesus is the Messiah who will come again, not to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords but to usher in the "Mahdi" and then be subservient to him, destroy crosses (churches), wipe-out swine, end the jizya (murder Christians) and tell all Christians that he himself, Jesus, is a Muslim and then command us to follow the Mahdi and those that refuse to submit (which is what Islam means) will be killed. This is Islamic eschatology friends.
Does this not sound like the Antichrist himself spoken of in the Apocalypse of St. John with worship directed to him by another? Does he not come on the scene amidst strife and unify to rule over the whole earth? Is worship of him not directed by another? Islam is from Hell friends, notwithstanding Vatican II and the non-doctrinal, non-dogmatic and non-magisterial actions of our recent popes. This is the religion of Islam that the Catholic Church's popes pray with and dialogue with. Am I crazy to think this or are they for doing what they do?Have you wondered about the coming together of the radical left, Islamo-fascist and lately?
Even though they hate each other, they hate the Church more and they think that after they wipe out the Church and the Jews, then one will prevail and wipe the other out.
The world is burning with rage and it is going to get worse. The Catholic Church, the creation of Our Lord Jesus Christ for the salvation of the world has lost its way. Until we return to "preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified" no matter what the price, the world will not find its way and people will die and souls will be lost.
All Muslim need to come to Jesus and His Church.
Are all Muslims evil or terrorists? Of course not; but they are deceived. There are 1.5 billion in the world, about the same number as Catholics. How many need to believe in violence and murder and jihad and the Mahdi to cause mayhem? Give me a percentage? Ten, twenty, fifty per-cent? How many are "moderate" whatever that means. Look, if 1% of Muslims are radical and believe in sharia and jihad that is 15,000,000 people. One per cent!
Think about that number for a second.
Let us bombard the Most Blessed Trinity to grant us Our Blessed Mother's protection and the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart. The errors of Russia have spread to the Church and the West, they have infiltrated the highest offices in both, the smoke is thick with sulphur and the prowling is underway. We cannot evangelise our lost brothers and sister in Islam because we have been weakened by heresy and apostasy. Only by heavenly grace poured out on a united Christianity renewed and reborn in both East and West can we shine the Light of Christ upon them.
Can Our Blessed Mother who appeared at Fatima (a name loved by our Muslim brethren) who love her own name of Maryam spoken of eloquently in their book, the Koran, want them lost forever? She has appeared not only at Fatima but in Zeitoun n Egypt approved by the Church there; and some think she is now appearing in Mosul. Make no mistake, all of these things are intricately connected. Fatima and Russia, Russia and Islam, Putin and Ukraine and these butchers in black. It is all connected and there is only one answer and the answer is Jesus Christ.
The Consecration of Russia has not happened. The action of it by the Pope in unity with all the bishops of the world will bring forth from heaven grace and power unseen in all history and there will be peace and a renewed Church. Remember, Our Lady said it will be done, but unlike the failure to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, it will not be "too late" but only "late." When it happens, the Church will mourn for what it did not do. For the millions of lives lost on earth and souls lost to heaven. It will do penance for it and we will look back and see what could have been prevented.
It is time for the bishops and cardinals and the pope himself to wake up from this error which has been spread through the Bride of Christ.
The time is short.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
Vox.
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William Kilpatrick taught for many years at Boston College. He is the author of several books about cultural and religious issues, including Psychological Seduction; Why Johnny Can’t Tell Right From Wrong; and Christianity, Islam and Atheism: The Struggle for the Soul of the West. He is also the author of a new book entitled Insecurity. His articles have appeared in numerous publications, including Catholic World Report, National Catholic Register, Aleteia, Saint Austin Review, Investor’s Business Daily, and FrontPage Magazine. His work is supported in part by the Shillman Foundation.
He has written three essay for Crisis Magazine and they deserve to be read, absorbed and distributed widely.
NEEDED: A NEW CHURCH POLICY TOWARDS ISLAM
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Another article to read and writer to follow is Raymond Ibrahim. Here I recommend, The True History of Christianity and Islam.
Raymond Ibrahim is a Middle East and Islam specialist and author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War on Christians (2013) and The Al Qaeda Reader (2007). His writings have appeared in a variety of media, including the Los Angeles Times, Washington Times, Jane’s Islamic Affairs Analyst, Middle East Quarterly, World Almanac of Islamism, and Chronicle of Higher Education; he has appeared on MSNBC, Fox News, C-SPAN, PBS, Reuters, Al-Jazeera, NPR, Blaze TV, and CBN. Ibrahim regularly speaks publicly, briefs governmental agencies, provides expert testimony for Islam-related lawsuits, and testifies before Congress. He is a Shillman Fellow, David Horowitz Freedom Center; a CBN News contributor; a Media Fellow, Hoover Institution (2013); and a Judith Friedman Rosen Writing Fellow, Middle East Forum . Ibrahim’s dual-background -- born and raised in the U.S. by Coptic Egyptian parents born and raised in the Middle East -- has provided him with unique advantages, from equal fluency in English and Arabic, to an equal understanding of the Western and Middle Eastern mindsets, positioning him to explain the latter to the former.
26 comments:
Yes, the "pastoral practice" has been wrong, wrong because it conflicts with the perennial doctrine of the Church. In a previous, more sane age, we would see Church leaders working to convert Muslims, not participating in dhimmi events like inter-religious dialogue.
Is it possible that by coming closer in every possible way, to know them and be known by them, that in the long run, there will be a rich harvest of converts to the church and Christ? moslems have always resisted conversion. Maybe, the physical and spiritual separation has been to great!!
Excellent piece, Vox. I have nothing to add, but that we may all face the inevitable persecution to come with clarity of mind and speech, boldness in witness, and steadfastness u to death.
"...and they think after they wipe out the Church and the Jews..."
The enemy of the Church since the beginning has been Judaism. Leftist theorists from Marx to Alinsky are all Jews. Their enemy number 1 has been Catholicism and they've laboured to eradicate all traces of her past and present and want her gone in the future. The Jewish puppet masters that are pulling the strings will use anyone - including their retarded cousins the Muslims - to achieve this goal. That's why the left is in bed with the Muslims.
Please, please. Don't lump Christians with Jews. The Jews are for themselves.
Islam is not a religion but an ideology intent on world domination & pandering to them by saying they worship the same God as Catholics/Christians is FALSE. The leadership of the CC has the blood of many martyrs on their hands by praying with these infidels & welcoming them to the Vatican. Their most recent high profile Muslim visitor said all those who converted to Christianity must be killed. So much for ecumenism!
Our church leaders have been most definitely wrong, as we now see they are wrong in many other ways. With this papacy I personally, have lost the confidence I had in the pope and our church leaders. This false and ill-advised ecumenism is a dead end, literally, as the pope has left Catholics and all Christians utterly exposed to the same violence we see almost every day now. Their refusal to deter from their path of political correctness and social justice is going to cost many lives, including Catholics. Now we have a martyr-priest, and may he pray for us as we fight to merely survive the foolishness of our church and political "leaders".
"The Catholic Church, the creation of Our Lord Jesus Christ for the salvation of the world has lost its way."
This is blasphemy! This makes Jesus a liar! The Church of Christ will never "loose its way!!!
"I am with you always, even to the end of the age." !!! (Matthew 20:20)
The NWO church is not the Catholic Church!
Here is a lengthy, but very informative article on Catholicism and islam:
http://shoebat.com/2015/12/07/muslims-declare-this-warning-to-pope-francis-remember-there-wont-be-any-pope-after-this-one-this-is-the-last-dont-forget-what-i-am-telling-you/
If someone suggests that the Church's line on Islam is misguided, they may as well reject the entire pastoral strategy of Vatican II and the modern Church. First, because Vatican II started the policy of appeasing Islam. And, second, because the general collapse of the Faith is just as shocking as the occasional attacks by Muslims.
By the way, Pope Bergoglio has referred to some murdered Christians as "martyrs". This is just windy rhetoric unless you acknowledge that these Christians were killed by Muslims who hate Christianity. But, to do this, you have to face reality and reject the crap about Islam being a religion of peace.
Pope Benedict XVI was right in his forward looking "Regensbug Address." Sadly, he was severely criticized for telling the truth. The truth especially about religion hurts and hard to accept. Islam and Christianity cannot be reconciled with talk alone. If you want to read more, I posted my thoughts in this blog entry, http://everydayforlifecanada.blogspot.ca/2015/01/pope-benedict-xvi-was-right-faith-can.html
You wrote "According to current Church thinking, Muslims "profess" the God of Abraham."
Neither the Catechism nor Vatican II say such heresy. Both say Muslims "profess" to worship the God of Abraham". Big difference. They may claim to worship the one true God, but they don't in the strict sense. Neither do Jews by the strict definition since they adamantly deny the Trinity and Sonship of Christ and are even uncomfortable calling God Father, except as the father of the Jewish people. Neither do Protestants in that sense, though their error is less grave than Jews or Muslims.
In the less strict sense, they acknowledge a transcendent creator of time and space and the universe and believe they are worshipping that God. Since there is only one such God, they are trying to worship that God, though their understanding of that God is severely defective.
St Thomas Aquinas freely admitted as much, and referenced the work of the great Muslim scholar Averroes (and Maimonides). In particular, calling God Father or claiming that that God is willing to covenant with his people is considered to be deeply offensive. We are slaves of God, and we can hope for no more. A true Muslim would freely admit that God could tomorrow arbitrarily decide that all Atheists are going to Heaven and all Muslims are going to Hell and he would still be just, since God is God and we are not. To Jews and Catholics, such a hypothetical is impossible since God honors his covenants and is faithful.
Unfortunately, the "Spirit of Vatican II" pushers have convinced many Catholics that Vatican II taught indifferentism and that Protestants, Jews, and Muslims worship the same God (in the strict sense) so they don't need to be converted. This is heresy pure and simple and we must not further that confusion by buying into the lies of those modernists and convincing faithful Catholics that the Church teaches something that it doesn't.
I think that question has just been answered ,by the beheading of an 86 yr old priest on the Altar offering Mass.In April a suspect was arrested with a list of targets ,including Churches ,the Church where the Priest was slaughtered was on the list ,the information was not acted on.
A Catholic's duty in the face of muslim terror:
http://www.lifezette.com/faithzette/christian-duty-in-face-of-murder/
well stated Vox (!)
again, I say, one of the best books I've ever read is "Open Letter to Confused Catholics".
Thanks again Vox. Perfectly stated analysis of our current situation. Things now are so far gone down the road to hell with the World and the Catholic Church I am afraid the only answer left is divine intervention.
Dear Mike, the Catholic Church is Infallible and Indefectible. That is Catholic Dogma.
"Things now are so far gone down the road to hell with ... the Catholic Church ..."
I'm sorry to be a cracked record and I know you did not mean it by your statement, but taken literally, this statement is heresy; it denies both above mentioned dogmas, if you think about it. Christ has nothing with belial. The Catholic Church has nothing with hell. Now I know you did not mean it that way. What you mean is that the NWO church is well down the road to hell and that is true. Such statements, which are very common, stem from the persistent confusion that the NWO church IS the Catholic Church - which it is NOT.
The Catholic Church is the Church of Christ; The NWO church is the church of satan.
Peter--
Agree, I should have been clearer about the definition of the bad (NWO) Catholic Church. Anyway, it is about time that Christ stepped in to help save the Church. Of course, as he implies that when he came again he didn't expect to find many who still had the faith. It appears He was right.
This latest atrocity committed inside a Catholic Church - during Mass - I'm afraid is only the beginning of so much more to come. We have watched so much persecution and so many beheadings, yet where is the outrage and what has been done by "free" people to stop this carnage? Too many seem so indifferent to the horrors people are enduring and facing, but for the complacent - it's not happening in their neighborhood so no true concern, other than empty rhetoric and shaking of their heads. Now these radical terrorists - MUSLIMS - are stepping up their game by this particular attack in a Catholic Church - and killing a priest (rest in eternal peace Father Jacques!!). To me that seems to be a very blatant message of what is to come - yet again, where is outrage, the condemnation of this heinous act by the powers that be?? Business as usual here in the USA...like it's not going to happen here. I'm sure they thought so too in Europe where too many events have taken place just in the past few weeks alone! Reminds me of when Hitler (as only ONE example) was stepping up his game, while those who didn't want to believe it - did nothing to stop it, until it was too late, and over six million people died. That is only one of far too many examples. History does keep repeating itself. I am so saddened at the lack of too many truly caring about this - I can only pray and keep my focus on Jesus Christ - and know that God has the overall plan, and know that the Sacred Heart of Jesus & the Immaculate Heart of Mary will prevail and triumph over all this evil. The evil one and his minions are being allowed to have their field day - but it will come to an end - that is my only comfort, and I pray to remain in the small remnant following Christ. I pray for our Church - with all the evil that has entered it - truly heartbreaking most of all - Christ's church - filled with unbelievers and heretics and blasphemies! Those who are supposed to lead and teach - not teaching truth and following the ways of the world, not of God. I cannot fathom the sorrow felt by Jesus and Our Blessed Mother! My heart is heavy. Lord Have Mercy on Us!
PF speaking on death of Fr. Hamel said he wanted to "clarify one thing: when I talk about war, I'm serious but not a war of religions. There is war for money, for resources, for nature, for dominion. This is war. Some may think it's a religious war? No. All religions want peace. Others want war. Got it?"
Pity he didn't state who the 'others' are, as he appears to prefer infidels (others?) to his Catholic Brethren.
We mustn't relinquish the hope that Modernism will, with the Grace of God, be one day destroyed & we must never fall for sedevacantism which is a position of despair & a denial of the promise of Our Lord set out in Pastor Aeternus (Vatican I Council). Jesus will never abandon us but we must demonstrate that we are prepared to go the whole distance with Him. Prayer with action is a must - Our Lady of Fatima pray for us.
Dear Ana, Please will you explain to me, in terms of Catholic theology, how sedevacantism is:
1. A position of despair.
2. A denial of the promise of Our Lord set out in Pastor Aeternus?
Peter Lamb (or Vox), what are your thoughts on this?
If as you say the 2 "churches" ('NWO' or 'Katholic' church VS True Church), are distinct, how can people, especially ordinary people, determine which is which? It seems to me the "false" and "true" Catholic "Churches" are indissolubly intertwined. So to be in the Catholic Church we are stuck in the Katholic church.
Well,. Anon at 3:52; I am not a sedevacantist so I would take a different position than Peter.
My answer to you, is; "yes," meaning that as you wrote, "the "false" and "true" Catholic "Churches" are indissolubly intertwined. So to be in the Catholic Church we are stuck in the Katholic church.
What do we do about it?
We remain faithful no matter what. We seek out the traditional Mass and it only if we can find it. If not, then find the best priest who actually believes and attend there. Read the Roman Missal and offer the rest up. Find common cause with your fellow Catholics. Form tight communities. Socialise with them, support and protect one another.
And be not afraid.
We were born for this; but know this also; as a friend said to me about an hour ago, "we will probably not live to see the end of this." Though we can hope to.
Dear Anonymous @ 3;52pm, my answer to your question is:
"It seems to me the "false" and "true" Catholic "Churches" are indissolubly intertwined."
Such a situation is not really possible. Religious truth cannot be "indissoluble intertwined" with falsehood for a Catholic. Catholic truth is absolute - never relative - and is defined by Holy Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium of the Church. Our Lord is immutable and infinitely perfect and as a consequence, so is His Church and the Faith it teaches to all men for all time. The Catholic Church is indefectible and cannot teach error harmful to the salvation of souls. This is impossible! Our guide to truth is to follow exactly what the Church has always taught. There can be no defection, or novelty, or contradiction to what the Church has always taught everywhere. Our Faith is extensively documented and if we have been taught the Faith, if we know our Faith, we can distinguish any deviation from it, or contradictions to it and then reject what we know to be false. In this way we are able to distinguish the false church from the true Church.
A few examples, very briefly:
We know that any heretic incurs automatic, ipso facto,excommunication from the Church and is no longer a member thereof. We know that Roncalli and Montini were masons and were therefore excommunicated heretics who could not become true Popes. Somebody who is not a member of the Mystical Body, cannot be the visible head of that Body. Therefore neither had authority to convene a Council, nor to promulgate the teachings of said "council". Therefore Vatican II and all its teachings and consequences are false and totally irrelevant to anybody. In this very post Vox provides a photo of "st." JP II kissing the koran. That is a blatant act of heresy promoting false ecumenism, which is forbidden to Catholics. A public heretic cannot be Pope and a true Pope cannot be a public heretic. To aver the latter is to deny the dogma of Papal Infallibility. In short, the heresies of the conciliar "popes" by word, writing, action and ommission, are multiple and their doctrine has deviated grossly from the traditional magisterium in multiple regards. This is proof positive that the conciliar church is a false church which is not the Catholic Church.
The Church resides in its members - not in its properties, or buildings. The masons have usurped our buildings, but they can never usurp our Catholic Church, because we - you and I and our baptised brethren who profess the true Catholic Faith - are the Catholic Church.
What to do?
The first thing to do is to get away from the false church. Have nothing to do with it ever again. Catholics do not pray with heretics. Above all say the Rosary daily. Wear the brown scapular. If you can't get to a true Mass, virtually assist at live webcasts of the true Mass, or get a DVD of it and watch daily, or as often as possible and most certainly on Sundays and days of obligation. Make spiritual communions. As Vox says, remain faithful no matter what the cost - and the cost can be great. If you are fortunate enough to find like-minded Catholics, do as Vox advises. Do your best to spread the truth among all those good, sincere souls who attend the NWO church in good faith and in ignorance of the situation. Thank God that you are among the remnant; know that He is in control and wait patiently that His will be done. Take pride and comfort that we are with St. Athanasius in the fields.
I couldn't agree more.
Last Friday I wrote a "then and now" article on how the Catholic Church has changed on the issue of Islam these past decades.
Here: http://connecticutcatholiccorner.blogspot.com/2016/07/flashbackfriday-catholic-church-then.html
We need these old teachings back, right now!
God bless!
To Vox, Anon 3:52, Peter Lamb.
I agree completely with Von on this: "My answer to you, is; "yes," meaning that as you wrote, "the "false" and "true" Catholic "Churches" are indissolubly intertwined. So to be in the Catholic Church we are stuck in the Katholic church."
Our Lord supports this position with a couple of His parables: The Kingdom of God (Catholic Church) is like a net that catches bad and good fish. The bad are thrown out. Another is the weeds sown by an enemy among the good wheat will separated and burned after the harvest, not before for fear of ruining the good wheat.
Interesting point Mike, but can't say I agree under current, unique circumstances, where the masonic hierarchy are the ones sowing the doddle. In a sense, you are equating the buildings of the Church with being the Catholic Church, rather than the members. I think it's saying non-Catholics (heretics) have invaded and usurped our buildings, vestments, doctrine and liturgy. They have taken over our Church (i.e. church buildings), so we must be loyal to our buildings and fight them there in the "catholic church" buildings and infra structure; join in and partake of their invalid, protestant liturgy and sacraments and petition them to change their ways.
The heretical conciliar church is just as protestant as any other protestant church in the sense that they are all equally non-Catholic. The Anglicans and Lutherans have done exactly what the NWO church has done - usurped our buildings. So you might just as well advocate attending either of those churches and set about petitioning and reforming them from within to get our buildings back.
There are potentially very negative consequences for those informed Catholics who remain in the NWO church and expose their children to it:
1. The boiled frog syndrome. One unconsciously, slowly imbibes the surrounding atmosphere by osmosis. One starts bobbing one's head instead of genuflecting; chatting and clapping in church instead of maintaining sacred, respectful silence; laughing at jokes told by the priest at mass; attending mass in one's barbeque clothes; one stops going to confession etc., etc., Slowly one starts accepting the scenario; slowly one doesn't feel so bad about one's sins because God is loving and forgiving; slowly one's family becomes protestantised! Lex orandi lex credendi !!! One's children will eventually leave the church, or become atheists.
2. By one's presence one is giving scandal; one is are giving respectability and credence to a false masonic religion and hierarchy; one is aknowledging the heretical hierarchy as being authentically Catholic; one is fostering and abetting heretics.
3. One gains absolutely nothing by attendind NWO services. It is a bread and wine fest. Their sacraments are invalid (except baptism and marriage); their NWO mass is invalid. Hard truth. Even if you down grade that to doubtful (for argument sake), the Catholic axiom is, if something is doubtful, don't touch it.
4. If one knows that the NWO church is false, heretical and non-Catholic, one is prohibited by the Magisterium of the Church from attending. Catholics are prohibited, under pain of sin, from partaking in non-Catholic religious services. Catholics do not consort with heretics. Fr. Faber says "where there is no hatred of heretics, there is no holiness!" Saint Paul did not say "if someone brings you a different gospel, pray with him; petition him to change his ways; consort with him; offer the mass in union with him." No! St. Paul said "let him be anathema !!!" Our Lord said "you are with me, or you are against me" and he took up His whip and beat the profane out of His Father's house! Christ does not consort with belial !!!
Dear Susan, by coincidence, the first thing I read after having my Damascus moment during NWO mass one day, was "Letter to a Confused Catholic" by Archbishop Lefebvre. I suspect you are referring to the same. It had a profound effect on me and encouraged me to keep reading. The next thing I read was the "Catholic writings of Rama Coomaraswamy", which kept me going until after about 18 months of intensive reading, almost day and night, my mind was finally made up in complete security and peace. Here is a link in case you might like to read further:
http://www.the-pope.com/coomcawr.html
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