Perhaps the Bishop of Rome should ask Joseph what he thinks about apologies to "gays".
But first, Pope Bergoglio should apologise for calling them "gay" and affirming them in their sin.
Mohammedans, such as the terrorist in Orlando, want to send "gays" to Hell.
Catholics want to save them from it. Catholics who preach the truth, that is.
Those who do not, those who are closet sodomites in clerical garb, those who want to meet them where they are and affirm them there, are no different than that pathetic Mohammedan, Omar Mateen.
If Bergoglio, Marx, Cupich, clergy such as James Martin, S.J., Edward L. Beck and others wish to leave these men where they are, they are also terrorists and they will burn in Hell right along with them.
Joseph Sciambra is not one of these men.
He is, no doubt, hers!
Should the Catholic Church apologize to gays?
When I was a conflicted and scared boy growing
up within the confusing confines of the post-Conciliar Church of the 1970s, I
needed someone, anyone, to teach me and to tell me that Jesus wanted to be more
than just my friend, that He wanted to be my Savior – that He wanted to save me
from myself. I knew, even from a young age, that something was going incredibly
wrong within me – I was terrified and I needed help. However, the Jesus they
offered was a mere historical figure; a guy who meant well, but who was dead
and distant; he was the hippie-Christ from “Godspell” in a Superman shirt –
with the Bible as a superhero comic-strip.
When I was teenager, quickly swerving towards
homosexuality, a few noticed, but did nothing to help. At school, a sort of
pandemic relativism was extolled as an individual rule of life: custom-made for
every human person on earth. The detached Jesus from my youth cared little
about our daily drudgery or our personal proclivities.
On the verge of accepting my homosexuality, I
was told by a Catholic priest that I needn’t worry as every homosexual is born
gay; he sent me on my way with a socially responsible warning about the dangers
of unsafe sex.
18 comments:
EVERY time this Pope opens his mouth lately, I have a near melt down. HE IS THE ONE LEADING THE PACK!!!! Does he not KNOW THIS???? Ugh!!!!!!!
TLM... I'm sure the pope knows this and all the other teachings of the Church. I'm sure the applauding hierarchy knows as well. Now, let's ask why they don't care.
Vox, this could very well have been written by my children. Is there any way that like-minded families with children can connect? Maybe through some portal on your blog? Are there any websites or platforms that you are aware of? We are going through exactly the same thing as a family. My kids have been withdrawn from the publicly funded Catholic system. The Levin/Wynne sex ed curriculum was the final straw that just solidified our decision to exit. Constant struggles with the admin and teachers just wore us down. Constantly having to explain and defend the church teachings against projects like: "Create and conjure magic spells" for a writing assignment just made me utterly sick. Having to fight against the profane- laden music being played during school dances...etc. Being stared down by the admin and other parents, who just could not see. My kids also found it hard to identify with peers who were already too far down the worldly hedonistic culture. I feel for the next generation. It's not going to get any better, unless more of us stand up against the culture. Is there any way you can direct me and others on how to unite?
Bergoglio is the one who need to apologize to gay for not ensuring the salvation of their souls and for kill them when he active participating in a assisted suicide from Argentina where he allowed gays to receive sacrilegious communions (Argentine Transvesti Cardinal Bergolio permitted a homosexual ceremony in a Basilica of Buenos Aires ) https://gloria.tv/video/WRHWQxjk9TZD39gtahYn2iZyk or the famous last Holy Thursday where he allowed the sacrilegious communions to a transvestite; allowing a priest murderer his soul.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_igxE9f8Oo
Also he need apologize to the children when in Argentina Bergoglio has allowed children to be corrupted in gay households. https://gloria.tv/video/PaYH8gcFu4Gs1T9u8CDJoeGDG
When he allowed surrogacy and gamete sale traffic to produce children artificially.
"Leonardo Boff Liberation marxist Theologian:"Francis is More Liberal than what is Supposed", He " Permitted a Homosexual Couple to Adopt a Child"
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/04/for-record-boff-speaks-on-new-pope.html
Hi Anonymous, Michael is my son, my name is Anna. What you wrote could actually have been written by my husband and myself. As I was reading your comment my husband was just saying - check, check..
Everything you touched upon - I know, we got the stare down, the whole bit. You can email me arleta24@yahoo.com
Vox, I believe that His Holiness Pope Francis has adhered to the Church's teachings in regard to his public comments about homosexuality. Vox, please consider the following:
-- Pope Francis has delineated between homosexuals of good will (who seek the Lord) versus the Homosexual Lobby, which he has condemned.
-- Pope Francis has not hesitated to call attention to the Catechism of the Catholic Church's reference to homosexuality.
-- Pope Francis has insisted upon the need of homosexuals to confess their sins and reform their lives so as to live in union with God.
-- Pope Francis has even praised publicly Catholics who work to enact laws that would outlaw homosexual "unions" as well as the adoption of children by homosexuals.
-- Pope Francis' Amoris Laetitia was bashed by the Homosexual Lobby for the Exhortation's refusal to "value" the sin of the Sodomites as well as the supposed "gifts" that homosexuality offers to Holy Mother Church.
Vox, we know that the powerful Homosexual Lobby operates within and without the Church. But Pope Francis has adhere to and offered to us the Church's holy and balanced approach to homosexuality.
We must support strongly homosexuals of good will who seek the Lord and desire to reform their lives in line with Church teaching. We must treat each person with charity. We must remain peaceful, but not hesitate to oppose in holy and uncompromising fashion the powerful and satanic Homosexual Lobby.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I had to go to downtown Toronto for a business meeting, the location was near Church Street, the center of gay nation. Everithing building, every restaurant was adorned with "pride" flag. Every bench, every garbage can, everything had some form of the multi color "gay" symbol attached to it. The evil I felt around me was pervasive I had to get out as soon as possible, I prayed the Rosary all the way home.
As bad as all this is two things stand out, seeing a man, wearing lipstick a long flower pattern dress and high heels just strolling along, all I could do was to keep asking Jesus for mercy. The second thing that stands out is my trying to have a discussion about what I saw with a coworker and then at home with family and my concerns being dismissed as it has nothing to do with me.
I just want to cry!
Maranatha Lord Jesus.
Catholic Teaching on Homosexuality, its cause and effects:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8KIba7Aqze6YlhQc3R3M18wbW8/view
Remedy: Pray the Holy Rosary for them, enlist the help of Saints (Marguerite Mary Alocque).
Say the Pope Leo XII exorcism pray. Do not give up.
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Most of the 49 human beings slaughtered in Orlando, Florida by the Muslim Omar Mateen were not Roman Catholics.
Freedom of religion is a foundational principle of American society. No one, even Roman Catholics, may demand freedom of religion for themselves while denying it to others.
Allowing others their freedom of religion is never equal to assassinating them in cold blood with an automatic wartime assault rifle.
No mortal is empowered to decide who does or does not "burn in Hell," or for what reasons.
This is precisely the type of offense for which Pope Francis urges all types of Christians to apologize to all LGBT people, both for what they have done to those people, as well as for what has been done to them in the name of various religious sects.
Ned Flaherty said...
Most of the 49 human beings slaughtered in Orlando, Florida by the Muslim Omar Mateen were not Roman Catholics.
-First, that is not relevant and you have no evidence of whether they were or were not, if you do, provide it. I would argue that, in fact, the "great majority" or at least "very many" to use some of Francis' words, were Catholic. It was "Latino night" and many of them were actually from Puerto Rico. Their very ethnicity indicates that most or many of them may have been Catholics, badly-formed to be sure.
Freedom of religion is a foundational principle of American society. No one, even Roman Catholics, may demand freedom of religion for themselves while denying it to others.
-I am not an American, again, what is the relevance of this statement. Am I demanding that Catholics should have special rights in the United States? If anything, the rights of Catholics are being whittled away by the most hateful anti-Catholic President in history. People may make free choices, that is God's will, but "error has no rights" and society must be subordinate to the Social Kingship of Christ. The fact that the current modernist, masonic world of so-called "democracy" will not permit it and the Church has long-since failed to proclaim it.
Allowing others their freedom of religion is never equal to assassinating them in cold blood with an automatic wartime assault rifle.
-Religion, in this horrid case of murder and terrorism, was only an issue for the Mohammedan, Omar. what is your point?
No mortal is empowered to decide who does or does not "burn in Hell," or for what reasons.
-Correct, only God does. However, your blatant ignorance of what His laws are on the matter of mortal sin and the four sins which cry out to heaven for justice is profound. Mortal sin, unrepented, will send a soul to Hell. Sodomy, is one of the four sins which cry out to heaven for vengeance and justice. That is scriptural, it is the teaching of the Church no matter what you say or what Pope Bergoglio says. The fact is, to leave people in their sin is to actually hate them for it condemns their soul to an eternity in Hell. That is the point, friend.
This is precisely the type of offense for which Pope Francis urges all types of Christians to apologize to all LGBT people, both for what they have done to those people, as well as for what has been done to them in the name of various religious sects.
There are not "LGBT" people. There are men and there are woman. People fall into sin, some sin is greater than others and leads into the demonic.
I have never in all the times I have met or worked with people who engaged in sodominical acts done anything to them that warrants an apology.
As for condemning the political fascist Christ-hating movement that the LGBTQRSTUV hegemons demand, never. That is a vile disgusting anti-Christian, anti-Human movement that must be called out for what it is and that must never, ever be apologised for doing so.
Ned Flaherty, since you are an LGBT activist, you might wish to read Joseph Sciambra and take up your issues with him and learn from his example.
...recently, a pro-diabolical, porno loving, so on and so forth man died.
He was mired in 60+ years of filthy sin; he loved to wear women's clothing.
Many years of praying for his soul by his godmother and a few abuelitas (Mexican grandmothers) brought a Holy Priest to his deathbed.
The fear of death with such tragic mortal sin had him desperately seeking forgiveness.
It was not his doing or that of his 'friends' that asked this Holy Priest to go to him. It was the man he rebuked for years that asked the Priest to travel 2,000 miles to provide confessing, absolution, and Extreme Unction.
It was the man he mocked for being Catholic.
Ned Flaherty, mock away.
Good Christians will pray for you. Satan will be deprived of another lost soul.
May God our Lord in His infinite and supreme goodness be pleased to give us His abundant grace, that we may know His most holy will, and entirely fulfill it.
I entrust this whole matter in the hands of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, “Mother of the Priest par excellence, Our Lord Jesus Christ, and through Him, of all priests in whom she forms her Son”.
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The anonymous "Vox Cantoris" asks whether people join sects, and stay in sects, which threaten them with absolute, eternal damnation.
No, they do not.
Merely having been born into one nation or into one ethnicity never forces a person to adopt and keep any one sect permanently. Moreover, mentally healthy people usually reject sects which damn them, as there are thousands of healthier sects to choose from.
The anonymous "Vox Cantoris" asks whether Roman Catholics demand special rights.
Yes, they do.
Over the last quarter century, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, and their corporate subsidiaries (Opus Dei, Legatus, Knights of Columbus, etc.), and the followers who are most arch-conservative and most authoritarian together spent millions of other churchgoers' dollars trying to write Roman Catholic religious superstitions into the civil laws governing everybody else, including people of others sects, and people of no sect. The New York City archdiocese alone spent millions on such lobbying. So, yes, Roman Catholic clergy and the followers who are arch-conservative authoritarians do demand the special right to impose their sect-based beliefs upon all society. (Progressive Catholics do not do this.)
The anonymous "Vox Cantoris" forgot that he gave his article this headline: "Catholics who leave gays in their sin are no different than Omar Mateen".
He is wrong.
Letting others keep freedom of religion never equals assassinating them in cold blood. That is especially true since Vox Cantoris' sect is not everyone's sect, and his beliefs are not everyone's beliefs, his reality is not everyone's reality, etc.
No one (including the anonymous "Vox Cantoris") is empowered to choose other people's theologies. In particular, no one (especially the anonymous "Vox Cantoris") is empowered to declare that other people are unilaterally subject to Cantoris' own deities, sins, demons, eternities, superstitions, etc., especially because such declarations deny modern science altogether.
Finally, "sodominical" (his word) is not an actual dictionary word.
Both of Cantoris' popes claim theological authority over him, yet he claims theological authority over both his popes. This makes for an unsolvable riddle, which means nothing to the world at large, and which entertains only those who subject themselves to playing such games.
Ned,
If you do not believe, then why do you even care about what this writer, writes.
As for sect, I must correct you, the Catholic faith is not a sect, it is the Truth and His Name is Jesus Christ. There is only one truth, there cannot be more than one Truth. Truth is not relative.
I urge you to spend your time reading Joseph Sciambra.
May God bless you and bring you to His salvation.
The anonymous "Vox Cantoris" asks whether the religious superstitions that he publishes matter to secular scientists.
Yes, they matter deeply.
When "Cantoris" writes that not oppressing LGBT people is equivalent to murder (and that oppressing LGBT people is the opposite of murder), he excuses and encourages the very violence which the current pope says is forbidden and must be eradicated.
The anonymous "Vox Cantoris" claims exactly what most religious sects claim: "my sect is the only one, all others are false and don't exist." Tens of thousands of sects make this same claim, even though no sect ever proved this claim to the satisfaction of any other sect.
Thus, throughout history, warring sects have consistently been a predominant motive for most human conflict (greed, strife, war). Whether a football game or a nuclear war, each side nods to its supernatural deity, and then tries to obliterate the other side.
Labeling other people heathens, feigning pity, and then chanting incantations at them does nothing to promote your sect. All it does is denigrate you, your claims, and your lost argument. Finally, magic spells do not defend your claims, and they do not dismiss your opponents. They do not, in fact, do anything, except let you feel superior to people of other sects or of no sect.
Dear Ned,
If you were to stand there drinking a glass of poison, I would say to you, "stop, if you do that, you will die." Is that what you would call "oppression?"
People who suffer from same-sex attraction have an objective disorder. Acting out through sodomy, oral copulation, felching, rimming and various other sexually perverse actions is intrinsically disordered. It is against nature, it is against natural law and it is against the law of the One True God. People who engage in these practices suffer heinous diseases. People left to suffer in same-sex attraction die at younger rates. People who think they are women or men in the other body or some other supposed binary gender are suffering from delusions. At one time, they were treated and given help for their psychological disorder, now society leaves them to dwell in it.
You see Ned, for our Churchmen, including the Pope, to fail to preach the truth and to leave a person in the situation where they will drink the poison that will kill them physically and spiritually is to do to them what Omar Mateen, the Mohammedan terrorist, did to those 49 poor souls in Orlando.
Mohammedans want "gays' in Hell, Ned.
Catholics want them saved from it.
You are free to choose Ned. You can choose to live the life you have apparently chosen. You can also follow the example of Joseph Sciambra and find true freedom in Christ and His Church.
You have an Irish name, you or certainly your ancestors, were baptised Catholics. You have made a choice. You can make another one, to return to the Faith of Your Fathers and find peace, hope and love in Our Lord Jesus Christ or to stay where you are.
I find it interesting that you have not taken my advice and contact Joseph, a former "gay" man to seek his counsel.
What I will say now is this.
The debate with you is now closed. I have given you the truth and you wish to debate to the point of mocking. No further posts from you will be published. They will be marked as spam and suitably deleted.
I will say an Ave for you and I ask every reader who sees this to do the same.
May Our Lady bring you home to Her Son.
Ned, I will leave you with this and our discussion is over.
Deuteronomy 30:15-20
New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
15 See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, death and adversity. 16 If you obey the commandments of the Lord your God[a] that I am commanding you today, by loving the Lord your God, walking in his ways, and observing his commandments, decrees, and ordinances, then you shall live and become numerous, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away and you do not hear, but are led astray to bow down to other gods and serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you shall perish; you shall not live long in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live, 20 loving the Lord your God, obeying him, and holding fast to him; for that means life to you and length of days, so that you may live in the land that the Lord swore to give to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
from Douay Rheims online:
http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=5&ch=30&l=15-20#x
this site is Catholic...established by a good Catholic man in Saint Marys Kansas.
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Vox said..."If Bergoglio, Marx, Cupich, clergy such as James Martin, S.J., Edward L. Beck and others wish to leave these men where they are, they are also terrorists and they will burn in Hell right along with them."
Vox, His Holiness Pope Francis has made it clear that he doesn't wish to leave homosexuals in sin. More than any Pope during my lifetime, which dates to Pope Saint John XXIII, Pope Francis has called upon sinners, that is, each of us, to go to Confession, seek Our Lord's pardon, then reform our lives.
He as issued condemnations of the Homosexual Lobby. During his Wednesday General Audience in Rome, he praised Catholics who worked to pass laws that would ban sodomite unions as well as the adoption of children by sodomites.
Pope Francis has promoted the Holy Sacrament of Penance to homosexuals.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
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