“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.” ― St. Antony the Great
One. World. Religion. One. World. Government. And they can't stand that the people are giving them the biggest blankety-blank, in the history of the world.
Pope Francis would do well to consider the wall of intolerance he has erected against orthodox Catholics and the wall against heresy he is tearing down.
It always astonishes me how those people who say, "Don't judge", excel at judging, yet they try to hide their judgement. They don't judge, yet they do judge. This statement by Jorge is good example of this.
"I do not make judgments on people and political men, I only want to understand what suffering their behavior causes to the poor and the excluded."
Notice how Bergoglio does, within the context of the question posed to him, does accuse Trump of causing great suffering for the poor and excluded, yet hides, cowardly like, behind the injunction not to judge. Yes Jorge, you, along with all who share your ugly Modernist pedigree, excel at judging.
Michael Dowd: I throughly agree with you - the invisible walls are the most dangerous & hardest to pull down but we must keep working at it. At least we know who is pulling the strings & that makes the task easier. PF will soon have to resign through ill health & age so we must look at what follows him. The Hierarchy MUST listen to its ground force - reinstate dignity, reverence & piety into the Holy Mass in all languages, make sure all Catholics have access to ALL the Sacraments & start catechising & evangelising immediately. We must adhere to what God gave us not what VII decided was better.
Those who insist on addressing bergoglio as "pope", should heed the following:
"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302.)
The proper form of address, when referring to this heretic, is anti-pope bergoglio.
The man in white is having a Field Day! And, goody, there's more to come with Christmas when the theme for the Vatican crib will be a Mexican boat thing ( 17 "R" people - guess what that stands for?!) and the first of his useless addresses to the remaining 1% of Catholics who care, starting Christmas and (hopefully) finishing with the Inauguration of President Elect Trump. Oh, yes, I nearly forgot, with a New Year's message thrown in for good measure. This guy sure is busy putting forward his warped and peculiarly skewed point of view to a world that holds him in derision. Ho Hum, yawn, wake me when he's gone!
Pope Francis, I suppose, is referring to the Vatican wall? Of course not! It's not such a good thing to say, "Knock down walls that divide," when you live behind a wall.
Exactly who made you his judge? Are you a Cardinal who has the right to call a Council and make a decision that will bind the faithful???
If you're not a Cardinal, then petition the Cardinals who CAN do something about it.
If you prayed for him as much or even more as you criticize him, he might be better off, and then you'd have less to complain about. He has a brain tumor - that's why he's acting so strange. If you had neurological damage, you'd want someone to at least have pity on you, wouldn't you?
I hate the unorthodox things that he has said and done just as much as you do. However, I don't go around acting as his judge, jury and executioner. You need to make a distinction between his person (of which God alone is his Judge) vs his words and actions (which CAN be objectively judged by a Council or group of Cardinals).
Enough already! At least pray a Hail Mary for him.
Finally, Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton wrote a book called The Catholic Church and Salvation, which expounds the quote you mentioned.
Dear Anonymous, I take it you are referring to my comment, because I am the only one who has provided a quote. You seem a kind hearted person. Symptoms caused by brain tumors vary greatly according to the location and pathology of the specific tumor. I have never seen any sign of "neurological damage" in bergoglio. All the conciliar "popes" have been heretics and I doubt that they all had brain tumors. :)
Actually the cardinals cannot depose a true Pope. "The Pope is judged by no man." Only God can depose a Pope, which would occur automatically, ipso facto, IF a true Pope were to commit the sin of public heresy, which has never happened in the history of the Church. (St. Bellarmine, Vatican I.) The cardinals can only canonically depose an heretical pope because God has already done so and now the heretic, no longer being Pope,(or Catholic), can be judged by men and canonically deposed.
As a Catholic I have every right and a duty to recognize, oppose and hate heretics. "There is no holiness where there is no hatred of heretics."
The point I was trying to make, is that if you recognize bergoglio as being a true Pope, then your Catholic duty is to submit and obey his teaching, for he speaks with the authority of Christ. (Which is the import of my quote - " it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.") There is no such thing as a Catholic sifting the teaching of a true Pope according to his own opinion. To recognize, yet resist a true Pope is the definition of schism, yet so very many Catholics consider it normal practice these days. I hope you see I was not being nasty, I'm just being Catholic.
You seem to think that everything the Pope says is infallible. The truth is that he has to adhere to the conditions laid down by Vatican I in order to speak infallibly.
St. Augustine once said that you have to hate the sin but love the sinner. The Pope has to go to Confession like everyone else. He's not impeccable, you know. So yes, you have to hate heresy, but love the heretic. As you probably know, love is an act of the will, so feelings of love aren't love.
Archbishop Lefebvre recognized and resisted two Popes (Pope Paul VI and John Paul II; John Paul I died after 33 days). He founded the SSPX with canonical approval from a Bishop who was "in full communion" with Pope Paul VI.
If the Archbishop had followed your advice, the SSPX would never have been founded! Millions of souls who attend the TLM do so because of the heroic actions of Archbishop Lefebvre. There would be no traditional Roman Catholic bishops, priests, brothers and sisters either.
Archbishop Lefebvre said in his sermon for the 1988 episcopal consecrations that he had NO intention of separating from the Catholic Church and that he was ordaining four bishops to preserve the Catholic priesthood.
St. Athanasius recognized and resisted Pope Liberius when he signed a semi-Arian creed while in prison.
St. Catherine of Siena recognized and resisted the Pope in Avignon.
You said that to recognize yet resist a true Pope is the definition of schism. If the SSPX is schismatic (which it definitely is NOT), then they'd be the only "schismatics" who publicly pray for Pope Francis, because they still mention him by name in the Mass, at Benediction, the Rosary etc.
Were St. Athanasius, St. Catherine of Siena and countless other Saints in schism when they recognized and resisted the Pope in their days? Think about it.
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The pope does not make judgements on people. Of course not. Never.
Pope Francis would do well to consider the wall of intolerance he has erected against orthodox Catholics and the wall against heresy he is tearing down.
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It always astonishes me how those people who say, "Don't judge", excel at judging, yet they try to hide their judgement. They don't judge, yet they do judge. This statement by Jorge is good example of this.
"I do not make judgments on people and political men, I only want to understand what suffering their behavior causes to the poor and the excluded."
Notice how Bergoglio does, within the context of the question posed to him, does accuse Trump of causing great suffering for the poor and excluded, yet hides, cowardly like, behind the injunction not to judge. Yes Jorge, you, along with all who share your ugly Modernist pedigree, excel at judging.
Michael Dowd: I throughly agree with you - the invisible walls are the most dangerous & hardest to pull down but we must keep working at it. At least we know who is pulling the strings & that makes the task easier. PF will soon have to resign through ill health & age so we must look at what follows him. The Hierarchy MUST listen to its ground force - reinstate dignity, reverence & piety into the Holy Mass in all languages, make sure all Catholics have access to ALL the Sacraments & start catechising & evangelising immediately. We must adhere to what God gave us not what VII decided was better.
Those who insist on addressing bergoglio as "pope", should heed the following:
"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."
(Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302.)
The proper form of address, when referring to this heretic, is anti-pope bergoglio.
The man in white is having a Field Day! And, goody, there's more to come with Christmas when the theme for the Vatican crib will be a Mexican boat thing ( 17 "R" people - guess what that stands for?!) and the first of his useless addresses to the remaining 1% of Catholics who care, starting Christmas and (hopefully) finishing with the Inauguration of President Elect Trump. Oh, yes, I nearly forgot, with a New Year's message thrown in for good measure. This guy sure is busy putting forward his warped and peculiarly skewed point of view to a world that holds him in derision. Ho Hum, yawn, wake me when he's gone!
Pope Francis, I suppose, is referring to the Vatican wall? Of course not! It's not such a good thing to say, "Knock down walls that divide," when you live behind a wall.
Exactly who made you his judge? Are you a Cardinal who has the right to call a Council and make a decision that will bind the faithful???
If you're not a Cardinal, then petition the Cardinals who CAN do something about it.
If you prayed for him as much or even more as you criticize him, he might be better off, and then you'd have less to complain about. He has a brain tumor - that's why he's acting so strange. If you had neurological damage, you'd want someone to at least have pity on you, wouldn't you?
I hate the unorthodox things that he has said and done just as much as you do. However, I don't go around acting as his judge, jury and executioner. You need to make a distinction between his person (of which God alone is his Judge) vs his words and actions (which CAN be objectively judged by a Council or group of Cardinals).
Enough already! At least pray a Hail Mary for him.
Finally, Msgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton wrote a book called The Catholic Church and Salvation, which expounds the quote you mentioned.
Dear Anonymous, I take it you are referring to my comment, because I am the only one who has provided a quote. You seem a kind hearted person. Symptoms caused by brain tumors vary greatly according to the location and pathology of the specific tumor. I have never seen any sign of "neurological damage" in bergoglio. All the conciliar "popes" have been heretics and I doubt that they all had brain tumors. :)
Actually the cardinals cannot depose a true Pope. "The Pope is judged by no man." Only God can depose a Pope, which would occur automatically, ipso facto, IF a true Pope were to commit the sin of public heresy, which has never happened in the history of the Church. (St. Bellarmine, Vatican I.) The cardinals can only canonically depose an heretical pope because God has already done so and now the heretic, no longer being Pope,(or Catholic), can be judged by men and canonically deposed.
As a Catholic I have every right and a duty to recognize, oppose and hate heretics. "There is no holiness where there is no hatred of heretics."
The point I was trying to make, is that if you recognize bergoglio as being a true Pope, then your Catholic duty is to submit and obey his teaching, for he speaks with the authority of Christ. (Which is the import of my quote - " it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.") There is no such thing as a Catholic sifting the teaching of a true Pope according to his own opinion. To recognize, yet resist a true Pope is the definition of schism, yet so very many Catholics consider it normal practice these days. I hope you see I was not being nasty, I'm just being Catholic.
You seem to think that everything the Pope says is infallible. The truth is that he has to adhere to the conditions laid down by Vatican I in order to speak infallibly.
St. Augustine once said that you have to hate the sin but love the sinner. The Pope has to go to Confession like everyone else. He's not impeccable, you know. So yes, you have to hate heresy, but love the heretic. As you probably know, love is an act of the will, so feelings of love aren't love.
Archbishop Lefebvre recognized and resisted two Popes (Pope Paul VI and John Paul II; John Paul I died after 33 days). He founded the SSPX with canonical approval from a Bishop who was "in full communion" with Pope Paul VI.
If the Archbishop had followed your advice, the SSPX would never have been founded! Millions of souls who attend the TLM do so because of the heroic actions of Archbishop Lefebvre. There would be no traditional Roman Catholic bishops, priests, brothers and sisters either.
Archbishop Lefebvre said in his sermon for the 1988 episcopal consecrations that he had NO intention of separating from the Catholic Church and that he was ordaining four bishops to preserve the Catholic priesthood.
St. Athanasius recognized and resisted Pope Liberius when he signed a semi-Arian creed while in prison.
St. Catherine of Siena recognized and resisted the Pope in Avignon.
You said that to recognize yet resist a true Pope is the definition of schism. If the SSPX is schismatic (which it definitely is NOT), then they'd be the only "schismatics" who publicly pray for Pope Francis, because they still mention him by name in the Mass, at Benediction, the Rosary etc.
Were St. Athanasius, St. Catherine of Siena and countless other Saints in schism when they recognized and resisted the Pope in their days? Think about it.
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