Wednesday, 12 October 2016

Congratulations Vatican II

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Rorate has a table of statistics for the United States. As a Canadian, if anyone out there has anything similar for Canada, please advise.

The originals can be found here:

Father Hunwicke writes today about Newman, Liberalism and the Antichrist. Newman prophetically saw our time.

Ponder these.

The next time Tom Rosica praises Vatican II, throw these facts up to him. 

The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I have asked other rhetorically, "what good has come from Vatican II?" 

Please, if anything good has come from that rotten Council and the men behind it, do advise. 


Felix M said...

It would be useful to add figures on attendance (or rather non-attendance) at Sunday Mass.

Dan said...

There are many who say that VII was the cause of the decline of the Church, but I often wonder if VII was a symptom of a sickness that was already present.

Vox Cantoris said...

Dan, Yes, it was already present or Vatican II would not have been "derailed." Further, it might not have even been called, depending on what was really in the mind of Pope Roncalli, John XXIII. It was Modernism and Pius X named it and warned against it in Pascendi nearly 60 years earlier. For him to do that, meant it was already there at his time.

The Council was when it all came to a head and the Modernists took over. A future Pope/Council will anathematize the whole rotten thing. Those parts that are worthy, can be retained, but that means they were already there in Church teaching. One did not need a Council to have discussions with Jews or Protestants. Any Pope could do that.

Again, what good has come from that Council. I fail to find it.

Michael Dowd said...

One could say that Vatican II has the unintended effect of sifting the wheat from the chaff and in fulfilling Christ's prophecy of reducing the number of faithful when he comes again. As Pope Benedict XVI said there will only be a remnant Church in the not too distant future or words to that effect.

Brian said...


A few months ago, in a response to a comment, you referred to the Novus Ordo as a dead letter. I think that you are a spot on with that assessment. Now, if the Novus Ordo, being the liturgical center piece, of the conciliar Lex Orandi is a dead letter, then how much life does its corresponding Lex Credendi have left? Conciliar Catholicism is on life support. Sometime, during the 1980s, heresiarch Hans Kung made the following boast:

"We control the seminaries, the academic departments of theology, the catechetical and liturgical institutions, the publishing houses, the magazines and the chanceries. Most of the bishops are now on our side and those that aren't have been neutralized. Anybody who wants a future in the hierarchy or the Catholic academy has no choice but to cooperate."

Hans Kung should amend his boast to include the control of the Papacy as well. Yes, at Vatican II, jaded Modernist academicians took control of the agenda and legenda. John Paul II and Benedict both sold their souls to this conciliar genie, but at least they maintained some sense of doctrinal integrity. Jorge, of course has no care at all for such. In 1946, Reginald Garigou-Lagrange OP wrote his piece, "Where is the New Theology Leading Us?". We only need to look at those US stats to see. On going self destruction.

George Brenner said...


Your commentary on VCII is correct and accurate. VCII was doomed to failure from the start. The holy books were all thrown out at Notre Dame, St. Mary's and Holy Cross in South Bend. The Priests, nuns and brothers all took our religious attire and home brewed ideas on Salvation into a severe decline. The acceptance of non Catholic religions all took a terrible turn for the worse. Salvation was all lumped together in a terrible decline. No longer is Catholicism taught as the one true faith. The Pope we have now is our payment for what we have allowed to happen. It is NO surprise. It must run its course. It will run its course. Those who persevere in the truth will be saved.
You cannot over take centuries of clear Catholic Church teaching with the last seventy plus years of inaccuracy and pure heresy. Something has to give and will. Mark these words.

George Brenner

Peter Lamb said...

Vox, can you copy the table showing how well things were going under Pope Pius XII?

Barnum said...

The data in the table are worse than they look once age distributions are taken into account. Given the stridency of the bishops who insist on a priest-free Church, I have to suspect key vatacanistsas had this shrinkage in mind.