In an interview with the Jesuitical publication the Bishop of Rome, Jorge Bergoglio praised Martin Luther for his bible and putting it in the hands of people and expressed his regret at being scheduled to offer Mass in Lund.
Luther, you will recall, removed seven books from the Old Testament and attempted to gut the New, particularly the Book of James as it would not support his heresy.
Bergoglio wanted to only experience an ecumencal "prayer" with the heresiarch's descendants and intended to neglect the few Catholics in Lund.
Yes, you read that correctly,
The man is an abomination. A disgrace to the Church. A danger to Catholics. A betrayer of Christ.
He is an egotistical arrogant man, only relenting to offer Mass because he was badgered and did not want to disappoint them.
What a disgrace.
ROME - At first, Pope Francis did not want to celebrate a Catholic Mass in Sweden in order to preserve Monday’s ecumenical witness at the joint Catholic-Lutheran commemoration of the Reformation in Lund, he revealed in an interview released today.
He later changed his mind after reflecting on his role as pastor of the Catholic community, and in response to a request from the local Church. But he put the Mass on the following day, Tuesday, in order to “avoid confusing” the ecumenical event with the Catholic one.
The pope revealed his decision-making process in an interview with the Swedish Jesuit journal Signum released in English October 28 on the website of Civiltà Cattolica magazine.
In the interview with Father Ulf Jonsson, a fellow Jesuit, the pope also discusses his relationships with Lutherans from his days as a Jesuit and later archbishop in Buenos Aires, and said Catholics could learn from the Lutheran tradition in the areas of church reform and Scripture.
Noting how the words “Catholic” and “sectarian” were in contradiction, he said: “This is why at the beginning I wasn’t planning to celebrate a Mass for the Catholics on this trip. I wanted to insist on an ecumenical witness.”
“Then I reflected well on my role as pastor of a flock of Catholics who will also come from other countries, like Norway and Denmark,” he said. “So, responding to the fervent request of the Catholic community, I decided to celebrate a Mass, lengthening the trip by a day.”
By celebrating the Mass on Tuesday, rather than Monday, “the ecumenical encounter is preserved in its profound significance according to a spirit of unity - that is my desire,” the pope said.
“This has created organizational issues, I know, because I will be in Sweden for All Saints Day, which is important here in Rome. But in order to avoid misunderstanding, I wanted it to be so.”
The future pope first stepped inside a Lutheran church aged 17 in Buenos Aires for the wedding of a Lutheran colleague at the laboratory where he worked part-time. Years later, while teaching as a Jesuit at the Colegio Máximo, he became close to a Lutheran professor of spiritual theology, Anders Ruuth, after he invited him to lecture there.
“That was a truly difficult time for my soul,” he recalled. “But I had a lot of trust in him and opened my heart to him. He helped me a lot in that moment.”
Pope Francis also described attending the so-called Swedish church in Buenos Aires while an auxiliary bishop in the early 1990s, and later - as cardinal-archbishop - having what he describes as a “good relationship” with the pastor of the Danish Lutheran church in Buenos Aires, with whom he had a disagreement over “a law concerning religious issues in Argentina.”
Asked what the Catholic Church could learn from the Lutheran tradition, Pope Francis said Martin Luther “wanted to remedy a complex situation” but his reform ended up splitting the Church because of the confusion of temporal and spiritual.
But he said reform in the Church was “fundamental, because the Church is semper reformanda (always to be reformed),” adding that prior to the 2013 conclave “the request for a reform was alive” in the cardinals’ discussions about the state of the Church.
He said Catholics could also learn from Luther’s emphasis on Scripture.
“Luther took a great step by putting the Word of God into the hands of the people,” he said.https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/10/28/pope-explains-reluctance-celebrate-mass-sweden/
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And despite all the evidence of Pope Francis possible diabolical possession by his on-going destruction of the Church, our Cardinals and Bishops voice little public concern. Consequently, it devolves to us to be defenders of the Catholic Church, it's doctrine and it's mission.
Congratulations Vox for being a Defender of the Faith.
There was no Catholic thinking or purpose for electing PF to the Papal Office (rather the opposite) and this must be rigorously exposed & a demand for his removal intensified. Non-Catholic popes are simply not fit for purpose & this would also apply to certain members of the Hierarchy as well. They are careerists actively working against the Catholic Faith which is not in conformity with what Our Lord intended. They strive to set up a NWO Church which goes hand-in-glove with the NWO government that secular society is endeavouring to force upon everyone. Soros (Schwartz) & Co. are working for Satan & so too are many of our CC leaders. Those few genuine prelates must get on their feet NOW & renounce this Papacy. Continuing silence will not please Almighty God. We all have to take sides on this issue - God or Satan. The uncertainty of our prelates is shameful & spreads unrest among the Catholic population worldwide which is exactly what Satan wants. How can anyone trust in the successors to the First Apostles when this is the measure of the men who currently represent them?
There is a lot of good in protestantism, a shift of focus on the Word of God being one of them. Yet, as we clearly observe, Bergoglio plays with the Word of God, as though it was his personal postmodernist playground. He thinks he can make words mean, whatever he desires them to mean, to fit his one world and one world religion agenda. A pope of surprises (and lies). All paths do not lead to Heaven, so said our Lord.
In my observation, many protestants today are more faithful to God than most Catholics, including Bergoglio. I see a possibility of unity with them via a thorough discussion of doctrinal differences, and an agreement on what the proper doctrine is.
Bergoglio denies the usefulness of doctrine, and pushes for a fake unity, where differences are ignored. If we were a species of animals, not endowed with a rational mind, a soul, and a free will, we would neither have nor need doctrines. But we are not animals, and we need more than beach and pizza. Our rational mind strives to know truth, and it uses language to seek and define it. Our Lord gave His Word, so that we could work out our individual path to Him, using our intellect and free will.
Bergoglio is a sort of a New Ager and Marxist, operating in feelings and proposing top-down, collective solutions to individual challenges. In his alleged focus on the sheep, whose smell he likes so much, he denies the most basic truth of individual salvation or damnation. He does away with personal responsibility for accepting or rejecting Jesus Christ. His only commandment is "Do good, and do not worry about God". Of course, doing good can be interpreted to fit any agenda, including that of Satan.
Bergoglio seems to forget that We Are Not Sheep or Any Other Species Of Animal. Some of us can still discern Truth from Marxist and globalist propaganda.
In my observation, many protestants today are more faithful to God than most Catholics, including Bergoglio.
Very good Dorota. My guess is that a good Protestant would want nothing to do with Pope Francis as he is not a man of God. He is basically a Communist bent on spreading and enforcing their insane agenda under the cover of the Catholic Church. He is a traitor to Christ and His mission.
I don't know why the Pope should have felt uncomfortable with saying Mass in a heavily Protestant country. Being a Novus Ordo it has much more in common with the Lutherans than with the Catholics.
Can't blame the p*pe for not wanting to celebrate the Mass... this act might be considered a form of proselytizing.
Ana,
It makes you wonder if the ecumenical gathering would still have taken place if the Feast of Christ the King was still celebrated on the last Sunday of October as decreed by Pope Pius XI. Somehow it would be incongruous to celebrate both of them.
Wishing Vox and you a Holy Feast of Christ the King.
Margaret
P.S. Btw, does Spain still have any public statues etc of the Spanish Civil War and/or processions in honor of Christ the King? Just wondering.
While Pope Francis condemns proselytism of the Catholic Faith .Islam is been actively promoted. Germany: Students Forced to Chant 'Allahu Akbar,' Punished for Refusing Trip to Mosque . http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55751
QUOTATIONS TAKEN FROM THE WORKS OF MARTIN LUTHER:
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the woman at the well about whom St. John tells us. Was not everybody about Him saying: ‘Whatever has he been doing with her?’ Secondly, with Mary Magdalene ,and thirdly with the woman taken in adultery whom he dismissed so lightly. Thus even Christ, who was so righteous, must have been guilty of fornication before He died.” (Table Talk , Weimar edition, vol. 2., no. 1472, April 7 - May 1, 1532; Wiener, p. 33).
“But Christ took upon Himself all of our sin, and thus He died upon the cross. Therefore he had to become that which we are, namely a sinner, a murderer, evildoer, etc....For insofar as he is a victim for the sins of the whole world, He is not now such a person as is innocent and without sin, is not God’s Son in all glory, but a sinner, abandoned by God for a short time. Psalms 8:6.” (Detailed Explanation of the Epistle to the Galatians, part 2, fourth argument, Walch edition, vol. 8, p. 2165, nos. 321-324).
“Then one should take him, the Pope, the cardinals, and lackeys of his idolatrous and papal Holiness, and, since they are blasphemers, tear their tongues out the back of their necks and hang them on the
gallows in a row...although such is very little compared to their blasphemy and idolatry. Thus one should let them hold a council, or as many as they wish, on the gallows, or amongst all the devils in hell.” (“Against the Papacy in Rome, founded by the devil”, Walch ed., vol. 17, section 5, p. 1333, no. 79).
“For I cannot pray without cursing. If I should say: Hallowed be thy name; I must add; Cursed, damned, and reviled be the name of the Papists, and of all who blaspheme against thy name... Indeed so I pray every day aloud, and continuously in my heart, as do all with me who believe in Christ, and I do feel that we are heard.” (Erlangen edition, vol. 25, p. 108).
“This preaching ought to by rights be accepted and listened to with great joy, and everyone ought to improve himself thereby and become more pious...But unfortunately, the reverse is now the case, for
now we see the people becoming more infamous, more avaricious, more unmerciful, more unchaste and in every way worse than they were under Popery.” (“Sermon on the first Sunday of Advent on St. Matthew’s Gospel 21: 1-9, held in 1533, [Hauspostille]”, Erlangen ed., vol. 1, p. 14).
“The sting of the flesh may easily be helped as long as girls and women are to be found” (Grisar, Fr. Hartmann S. J. Luther, vol. 4, p. 126).
“But it is not forbidden that a man should have more than one wife. I could not prevent it today, but I do not wish to advise it....” (Walch ed., vol. 3, chapter 16, p. 412).
“Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly...No sin will separate us from the Lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day” (Weimar ed.
vol. 2, p. 372; Letters I, Luther’s Works, American ed., vol. 48, p. 282).
“ The third matter is when one spouse deprives the other and
withdraws, i. e. does not render the marriage debt, nor wishes to be with him. As one finds, such a stubborn wife, who has gotten such a
notion in her head, and if the husband falls into unchastity ten times, she does not ask about it. Here it is time for the husband to say If you do not want to, another one does; if my wife does not want to, bring on the maid” (Erlangen ed., vol. 20, p. 72).
“If, in faith, an adultery could be committed, it would be no sin” (Möhler, Dr. Johann Adam, Symbolik, p. 131; Luther disput. Tom. I, p. 523).
“When our consciences are assailed by the devil on account of our sins: so one should say, spoke D. M. Luther: holy devil, pray for us: Sancte Satan, ora pro nobis. Have we not sinned against you, kind Sir
Devil?” (Table Talk, Walch ed., vol. 22, chapter 26, p. 1242, no. 41).
“For so it is with me: when I wake up, soon the devil comes and disputes with me, until I say: kiss my a__” (Table Talk , Weimar ed., vol. 2, p. 15, no. 1263, Dec. 14, 1531).
“Would that I could commit some token sin simply for the sake of mocking the devil, so that he might understand that I acknowledge no sin and am conscious of no sin” (“Letter to Jerome Weller, July 1530”, Letters, Weimar ed., vol. 5, p. 519-20, no. 1670; Luther: Letters of Spiritual Counsel, vol. 18, p. 84-87).
“Therefore St. James’ epistle is really an epistle of straw, compared to these others, for it has nothing of the nature of the gospel about it” (“Preface to the New Testament”, Martin Luther’s BasicTheological
Writings, ed. by T. Lull, p. 117).
“If someone is being tempted, said Dr. Martin, or is amongst those who are being tempted, let him then beat Moses to death, and throw every stone at him” (Table Talk, Walch ed., vol. 22, chapter 27, p. 1233).
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