Misleading article by @gregbrown_TheOz - read what Bishop Vincent ACTUALLY said about acceptance of all people here
The Bishop's original comments are found here.
http://catholicoutlook.org/bishop-vincent-long-ofm-conv-delivers-2016-ann-d-clark-lecture/
The bishop of the Catholic diocese of Parramatta has called on the church to accept homosexuality, lamenting that the faith is not a “trailblazer” against inequality. Bishop Vincent Long Van Nguyen has gone further than the Pope, who has said God loves and accepts gay people.
Bishop Long said it was not good enough to treat gay people with compassion and then define their lifestyle as “intrinsically disordered”.
The comments, delivered in a speech in western Sydney last month, are likely to cause consternation in the church hierarchy, which is against same-sex marriage.
“We cannot talk about the integrity of creation, the universal and inclusive love of God, while at the same time colluding with the forces of oppression in the ill-treatment of racial minorities, women and homosexual persons,” Bishop Long said. “It won’t wash with young people, especially when we purport to treat gay people with love and compassion and yet define their sexuality as ‘intrinsically disordered’.
This is particularly true when the church has not been a shining beacon and a trailblazer in the fight against inequality and intolerance.”
Bishop Long was appointed by Pope Francis in May to lead one of Australia’s largest dioceses. The speech is in direct contrast to the views of his predecessor at the diocese, Anthony Fisher, who is now the most senior Catholic in NSW as Archbishop of Sydney.
The Australian reported in May that Archbishop Fisher condemned the anti-bullying Safe Schools program as even more radical and dangerous social engineering than same-sex marriage, to which he is also vehemently opposed. Bishop
Long fled Vietnam on a boat in 1979, eventually making it to Australia as a refugee. In his speech, he said the gospel showed that it was the holders of tradition who were often guilty of “prejudice, discrimination and oppressive stereotype”.
“That is what Jesus consistently does. He has a habit of challenging ingrained stereotyped attitudes, subverting the tyranny of the majority, breaking social taboos, pushing the boundaries of love and redefining its meaning,” Bishop Long said. “He questioned the prevailing assumptions and stereotyped attitudes. He turned the presumed order of moral goodness upside down.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/parramatta-bishop-calls-on-church-to-accept-homosexuality/news-story/38408da11324d1ff8c427005aca3e6d4
27 comments:
No Jesus didn't turn anything upside down moron- except the money changer tables.
He certainly did not turn morality upside down, that is completely blasphemous. In fact He actually demanded a more stringent morality than existed at the time. Another idiot faggot bishop who can't read the Bible.
Bishop Long must have left his brains on the refugee boat, what a sick cookie he is.. May God rebuke him for being part of the smoke of Satan in the Church. Wicked weak man!
He's a sodomite himself. No sane, normal man wants sodomy to be normalized. Keep him away from boys.
Well he HAS learned his lessons well, hasn t he? Here down under in the land of the Antipodes I don t believe there will be much outcry.
Catholics here (of course there are exceptions) have been so dumbed down over the past 60 years that they would find it hard to see anything amiss with this wretched man s statement. Most of them haven t even read that part of the Catechism pertaining to homosexuality! This apology for a shepherd will get his just desserts at the Hand of the Almighty! And it will not be pretty.
ASSOCIATING WITH HERETICS.
St. Ignatius of Antioch:
"If anyone walks according to a foreign doctrine, he is not of Christ nor a partaker of His passion. Have no fellowship with such a man, lest you perish along with him, even though he should be your father, your son, your brother, or a member of your family."
St. Thomas More:
"I pray God that we live not to see the day we would gladly wish to be at league and composed with them, to let them have their churches quietly to themselves so that they would be content to let us have our quietly to ourselves. Upon conditions that all heresies were suppressed, I would wish that all my books were burned up and all my labour utterly lost."
St. Robert Bellarmine:
"St. Paul commands that a heretic be avoided after two warnings, that is, after showing himself to be manifestly obstinate. And this is what St. Jerome writes, adding that other sinners are excluded from the Church by excommunication, whereas heretics exile themselves on their own from the Body of Christ."
St. John Eudes:
"I entreat you to shun, whenever possible, the society of those who profess false doctrines."
III Lateran Council:
"The accursed perversity of heretics has so increased that now they exercise their wickedness not in secret, but manifest their error publicly, and win over the weak and simple-minded to their opinion. For this reason, We resolve to cast them, their defenders, and their receivers under anathema, and We forbid under anathema that any one presume to help heretics or to do business with heretics."
St. Thomas Aquinas:
"To know whom to avoid is a great means of saving our souls. Thus the Church forbids the faithful to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith by corrupting it, such as heretics, or by renouncing it, such as apostates."
St. Cyril of Alexandria:
"It is unlawful, and a profanation, and an act the punishment of which is death, to love to associate with unholy heretics, and to unite yourself to their communion." [SSPX nota bene.]
St. John Chysostom:
"For if they have doctrines opposed to ours, it is not fitting to be mixed up with them for this cause alone. […] What do you say? “Their faith is the same; these men are orthodox”? Why, then, are they not with us?"
St. Cyprian:
"Whoever is separated from the Church must be avoided and fled from; such a man is wrong-headed; he is a sinner and self-condemned. […] But if some of the leaders of schism persist in their blind and obstinate foolishness, and if advice for their own good fails to bring them back to the way of salvation, let the rest of you break away from their ensnaring falsehood. One must withdraw from those who are engaged in sin; rather, one must fly from them, lest by joining in their evil course and thus taking the wrong road, one should become involved in the same guilt oneself.
Do everything you can to break away from such men; as you value your salvation, avoid those who associate with such harmful connections. […] Their talk spreads like cancer, their conversation is as catching as an infection […] their poisonous and pernicious propaganda is more deadly than persecution was. Persecution leaves the door open to penance and satisfaction; but those who do away with penance for sin shut the door against satisfaction altogether. And so it is that, through the presumption of certain people who beguile themselves with false promises of salvation, all true hope of salvation is destroyed." [Get away from the NWO church!]
Pius XI:
"Is it permitted for Christians to be present at, or to take part in, conventions, gatherings, meetings, or societies of non-Catholics which aim to associate together under a single agreement everyone who, in any way, lays claim to the name of Christian? In the negative! ..this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics. There is only one way in which the unity of Christians may be fostered, and that is by furthering the return to the one true Church of Christ for those who are separated from her."
II John 1:10-11:
"If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house, nor say to him: “God speed you.” For he who says to him “God speed you” communicates with his wicked works."
Defenders of Heretics:
Defenders "are those who do not internally adhere to the heretical doctrine but in spite of that defend it in word or in writing against those who attack it. They are also those who protect, by force or by other unjust means, the persons of heretics against a legitimate persecution carried out on account of the heresy."
(Wernz-Vidal, 7:451.) [Mark please take note.]
I'm sure he was just mistranslated. We all know how difficult bishop-English is to translate into orthodox-English. It's darn near impossible these days.
This little sodomite lover is a "disgrace". An imposter Catholic Bishop who's religion is most certainly not that of the Catholic Church. That Vatican 2 religion of man is so obviously far from Catholicism that a blind man can see it with total clarity. Just listening what this goose is saying!! Sodomy is not just good but is essentially sanctified by Christ!! Blasphemous!!!!
It would not be surprising if he soon became a Cardinal.
"It was the final session of the Council, the most essential, in which the Pope [Paul VI] was to bestow upon all humanity the teachings of the Council. He announced this to me on that day with these words, “I am about to blow the seven trumpets of the Apocalypse.”
(Jean Guitton, 'Nel Segno dei Dodici,' interview with Maurizio Blondet, Avvenire, October 11, 1992; qtd. in Atila Sinke Guimarães, Animus Delendi I [Los Angeles, CA: Tradition in Action, 2000], p. 57)
Either he's being paid to say these things or he is one. I pay more attention to what someone like Franklin Graham says than the pope or his prancing caballeros.
Nothing misleading about this. He doesn't think homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. The coverage was accurate.
“when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?”
As his Creator, Jesus loves the person but hates the sin. The CC must make the difference known. God has given Man free will which hopefully he will use wisely, but this cannot be presumed when countless Catholics don't even know the Ten Commandments & the Pope/Bishops don't constantly bring them to their mind. With the huge proportion of sodomite clergy of all ranks in the CC, it has become very difficult to accept this condition as natural (born that way) & even if it were, the heterosexual majority still have to control their sexual appetites & the same goes for the homosexual/transexual etc. if they wish to have access to the Sacraments. That requirement was made by Christ Himself, not by the Church authorities & so can never be changed.
Several G.K.Chesterton quotes:
"There are many ways to fall but only one way to stand."
"I want a Church that moves the world not one that moves with it."
"Don't be so open-minded that your brains fall out."
Our Lady of Akita, pray for us. The smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary.
The Bishop of the Australian Diocese mirrors the NEW "Catholic" teachings of Jorge Bergoglio, his boss, The Bishop of Rome, which are the following, in a nutshell, quoted from his "lecture":
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"By that I mean there must be space for everyone, especially those who have been hurt, excluded or alienated, be they abuse victims, survivors, divorcees, gays, lesbians, women, disaffected members. The church will be less than what Christ intends it to be when issues of inclusion and equality are not fully addressed. That is why you heard me say that I am guided by the radical vision of Christ. I am committed to make the church in Parramatta the house for all peoples, a church where there is less an experience of exclusion but more an encounter of radical love, inclusiveness and solidarity."
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And this what Bergolgio calls "mercy"... As I wrote before, the new "Catholic" church is about pleasing everybody.
Three factors are driving her in that direction:
1 - The faithlessness her leaders.
2 - Trying to cover-up (make people forget) their sexual scandals.
3 - The hunger for Money and Power.
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"Bishop" Long:
"He, [Bergoglio] himself, said poignantly that we are not living in an era of change but change of an era. By this, he means that it is the Church that needs to live up to its fundamental call to be “ecclesia semper reformanda” or the church always in need of reform in order to be in sync with the movement of the Holy Spirit and direction of the Kingdom. It is not “business as usual”. There needs to be an attitudinal change at every level, a conversion of mind and heart that conforms us to the spirit of the Gospel, a new wine into new wineskins, not a superficial change or, worse, a retreat into restorationism."
Vatican Council, Session III, Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Chapter 4, On Faith and Reason, April 24, 1870:
For the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward
not as some philosophical discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated.
Hence, too, that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding. God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever be in opposition to truth ... Therefore we define that every assertion contrary to the truth of enlightened faith is totally false ... If anyone says that it is possible that at some time, given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the church which is different from that which the church has understood and understands: let him be anathema.
I especially love the bit he tosses in there about modifying his airline choices to fit in with the enviro-wishes of Pope Francis.
More nonesense. This guy's carbon footprint must be immense.
What's wrong with Skype Bishop Long?
Indeed. With Al Gore and the rest, he is too important to personally implement changes that would theoretically have an impact on the environment. Show is always more important than Go.
Can somebody explain to me how all this New Church stuff is NOT merely a revolution in order to bring in a new crop of guys who want their place at the trough? Preferably next to their Boyfriend?
Prancing caballeros. hah! Well put All.
It is disgusting this man has gotten as far as he has. Is there any hope for our poor church, almost completely taken over by sodomites or spineless yes-men?
And Maudie, I listen more, far more, to Franklin Graham as well. How sad that as a Catholic, I must turn to a Protestant leader to hear the Gospel or traditional Catholic moral teaching.
Blast these Catholic heretics hides!
Think about the Catholic Church in 2016 this way:
It is a big international corporation of men and women under the leadership of an appointed man, called "Pope", which business is to sell a system of "spiritual" beliefs that entices people into believing in a supernatural being and in a promise of eternal life after their death, for the purpose of exercising power over them, hypnotizing them with "prayers," "works of mercy" (as if Atheists aren't merciful already) and made-up "supernatural powers" (miracles, exorcisms, etc.) to achieve the ultimate, and most important goal: Taking people's money.
When this corporation was hit with scandals, its leaders decided that -in order to fix its tarnished reputation and to recover from the loss of money- the corporation should expand to include more people and consequently more money will come in. And that's where the idea of "mercy" comes into play. And therefore, the corporation will be opened to all sort of people regardless of their sexuality, marital status, gender, etc.
Words like "inclusiveness," "mercy," "accompaniment," etc. are the new lingo of this corporation.
And words like "preaching," "repentance," "evangelizing," "punishment," "hell", etc. are used less often and sometimes omitted.
The word "evangelizing", in 2016, means "Marketing," "Advertising," "Attracting," "Luring" and to appeal to the customers.
Of course, all is done under the guise of following the teachings of its supernatural being, to make it legit.
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He sounds like someone who attended a modern North American seminary.
There is so much that is wrong with this bishop's thinking.
Is it deliberate denial of Catholic teaching, or rather ignorance of it?
I wonder if he has ever heard, what pope Paul VI had said about the smoke of Satan having entered the Church.
Has he ever read the Gospels, has he ever seen anything there about accompanying sinners while they sin, so no one will be excluded?
Is he aware that Jesus told us - whoever loves this world, even his mother and father, more than Him, will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven?
Has he ever read this? -
"And if thy eye causeth thee to sin, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell-fire."
Shall we write this bishop a letter, explaining Catholic teaching to him? Each of us could pick an issue or two, we could then put it together, and go (write) to him, and present it to him. If he doesn't listen the first time, we can repeat, and then we can... ask the pope to try to convince him? - That won't work. It has to be just us.
A few more passages:
If the world hates you, you must realise that it hated me before it hated you.
If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you do not belong to the world, because my choice of you has drawn you out of the world, that is why the world hates you.
I shall not talk to you much longer, because the prince of this world is on his way. He has no power over me,
Whom does Jesus call the prince of this world, and why? Does this world have a prince still? Are we to dialogue with him? Are we to include him (or those who only gradually one day when they are ready if ever to even believe his existence might reject him, should they see so fit?)
Vox, on a side note about another Vietnamese migrant bishop, have you heard anything good or bad about the new Bishop Nguyen of Kamloops, B.C? I hope he's better than this despicable excuse of a man.
Vox - under your statement that the Bishop's original comments are found here was a link, which I clicked. I wished I hadn't. It went on and on and on - ad infinitum. I couldn't scroll it up quickly enough, so boring was it and so predictable. Glad I wasn't actually in the audience that endured it (if there was one!). My final question is WHY?
"Intrinsically disordered" is perfectly clear. It has not been changed, despite all the successful pressure applied to all the medical bodies that pontificate on what is or what is not a disorder. I hate this hypocrisy - this double standard - this unholy mire that people are being forced to stand in, whilst listening to heretics spouting their verbal, blasphemous diarrhoea!
He needs to be removed asap.
If he is not, we are in deeper trouble than I imagined.
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