“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.” ― St. Antony the Great
Ana Milan asks this on Twitter (I’m kicked off too Vox): “What if a valid pope is illicitly overthrown by a heretical, political NWO Modernist, are the faithful honour-bound to follow him & his disbelieving cronies thereby relinquishing their souls to Hell which this ‘pope’ doesn’t believe in? What happens when the true pope dies?” I feel like I’m living in Groundhog Day bc I can answer this. We’re bound not to follow him. When the true pope dies most won’t have any idea and we will continue on without one indefinitely, plunging deeper and deeper into an anti-Christian new world order. Everyone seems to think 2013 was a new day but we’ve been living the same day since 1958. If we don’t go back to that day to fix this, it’s not going to be fixed and I’m assuming at this point it won’t be.
Personally I find the Apocalypse pretty clear on this point Melanie, as I do with the Prophecy of LaSalette that they have done their darndest to suppress just like Fatima.......see Rad Trad Thomist on that point.
Re: "warrior" ? Not likely. More to do with Opus Dei and JP2 plus anger over getting kicked out of Dunwoody seminary while another overtly criminal sodomite at the time was Ordained.
Dear Melanie, I know it was Ana's question, but I'm trying to answer your post. A true Pope was not "illicitly overthrown". The true Pope died and an imposter was elected by the judeo-masonic invaders. There is no question of following a false, heretical, non-Catholic "pope."
When the true Pope dies we are in an "interregnum" until the next true Pope's Coronation. We are in the longest interregnum in the Church's history, but the Church continues until its next visible Head arrives. The situation most definitely, with absolute certainty, will be "fixed." How it will be fixed, or when it will be fixed we simply do not know. Our Lady has assured us that Her Immaculate Heart will prevail and that the Church will be restored to her former glory. Our Lord has promised that He will be with His Church until the end of time and that the "gates of hell", i.e. heresy and heretics, will not prevail. Holy Scripture has long warned us about the "operation of error", which is exactly what we are experiencing now. We know the cause; we know the method; we know the eventual outcome. We fear not because God is permitting this for a reason - to separate the Believers from the Unbelievers and He, as always, is in total control.
How we are going to get the next true Pope? We do not know. NO MATTER! We believe and in time we will see. There are various possibilities we might speculate upon, but we know that Peter's succession will last until the end of the world. One day we will again have a true Pope - that is for absolute certain. In the meantime, we be patient, we trust in Our Lord and Lady, we practice our Faith exactly as it has always been practiced and we obey Holy Scripture and let judeo-masonic heretics and their satanic church be anathema.
I was glad to hear that Mr. Voris correctly observes that these bishops do not have the Catholic Faith. Unfortunately, he does not draw the necessary conclusion that one must hold the Catholic Faith to be a Catholic.
Thank you Peter Lamb. I can’t prove it but I do believe that those sob’s did something to our real Pope in 1958. I don’t know what or who it was but everyone should have had the same sick feeling when Roncolli stepped out on that Loggia, as w/Jorge. Nothing can happen to the Church, She is eternal, Mary’s Immaculate Heart triumphed, the end could last however long without a Pope, until there is barely any faith on Earth. And then the end, hasn’t that been the end of the story all along? I just feel like we’ve had precursors to Antichrist throughout history and we’ve always had an obligation to act according to what was right and true rather than say, whelp this is it. So, just in case this isn’t the end we should act to defeat these lying bastards, be nice to go out trying. I’ve learned to sing some Latin hymns so I can make them suffer through that, even if they’re killing me. That’s provided the Holy Ghost gives me the gift of fortitude, please God.
Dear Vox, Am I allowed to post this here? It seems that everytime I try to post this on facebook, someone decides nobody else should see this or think about this, and they remove my post. Specifically I posted it on Christine Niles' facebook wall. Without explanation, it was promptly removed. What are they afraid of? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkadmPUJgOw
I did not agree with CM's policy on criticizing our destroyer pope. It took them a few years to come to the obvious conclusion, and now they are all on board and we should be thrilled to have them. Michael Voris and his crew are invaluable, they are very good at what they do. We have a miniscule Catholic media presence, faithful, that is, and so we need every hand on deck. Michael Voris is superb as a journalist. He goes where the action is and asks the hard questions, if he can get in at all. His reports do not waste a word, there's no fluff, just relevant information, and he has solid evaluative skills, so we get properly informed. I hope they keep up the good work.
Can I post this here? I find it much more compelling than Benevacantism as it does not pretend the years 1958 through 2013 were inconsequential. Unfortunately it’s not a video, but there are pictures. http://letfreedomring247.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Grave-Reasons-of-State-Gary-Giuffre-Fr-Villa-article-Chiesa-Viva.pdf
CMtv Michael Voris has promoted Opus Dei under his RealCatholictv and I noted they have not reported on the Opus Dei pederast abuse trial that went on in Spain. The Numerary more recently was found guilty and sentenced to 11 years in jail for sexually abusing a child in their Opus Dei school there under the guise of Spiritual Direction when taking him out of class for a number of years. https://abyssum.org/2018/04/13/this-is-truly-a-horror-story-of-vatican-and-opus-dei-crucifixion-of-a-young-spanish-student-at-gaztelueta-school-in-spain/
If Vox would permit, I asked this question to the gallery on AKACatholic & I don’t think I ever got a response. If I could please ask Peter Lamb where I can find reference to Church dogma that says that at the end of the world there will be a Pope. Originally, I asked this bc Bishop Fellay said precisely this, that it was Church dogma that there would be a Pope until the end of the world. I’d never thought about it until fairly recently but can’t recall learning this particular dogma. It seems like if there were a Pope at the end of the world then people wouldn’t follow the Antichrist, so to me it’d make sense that he’d be absent. But if it’s Church dogma, I’ll believe it. I’d just like to know if it really is or if this is just something that’s been assumed. Is it in Revelation? Does it say in there that the Antichrist makes war against the Pope, imprisons the Pope, exhiles the Pope, kills the Pope? I don’t recall the Pope being mentioned in Revelation but I can barely understand that book, at all. If you give me something I can read, I will.
No one answered because there is no such dogma. Christ promised Peter's successors Divine assistance. It is obvious that Bergolio is not being assisted by God but by Lucifer. Right there is all the proof anyone needs that Bergolio cannot be a true Pope and must be an anti-Pope. Why R&Rers are blind to this simple fact is beyond my comprehension.
It is also dogmatic that the Pope, being assisted by the Holy Ghost CANNOT err in matters of faith or morals. Another clear and definitive piece of evidence that Bergolio is an anti-Pope.
I am severely editing your comment. As someone who is/was a friend of both Michael Voris and Father Paul Nicholson, I cannot and will not print all of your commentary. I read the trash written by E.Michael Jones. It was a cruel and unnecessary intrusion into the life of Mr. Voris. None of it was necessary to be known. Therefore, I will not quote what you have written, nor will I link it. Both men, Michael and FPN have suffered terribly and no doubt, continue to do so. I feel dreadful for both of them, but especially Father Nicholson. The man officiated at my Nuptials and I was his Schola master for three years. I have no connection to Opus Dei, lest you accuse me of being part of it for not publishing your full comment.
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Educate yourselves......Look up Paul Weyrich of opus dei and Massimo Introvigne of Cesnur along with Morton Blackwell and TFP ( which dumbo Voris has also promoted.) Massimo is very interesting as an Italian sociologist who reports on religions and cults and as an apologist for the Opus Dei cult and SATANISM.
Yes, Voris is a warrior but for exactly what and who?
Opus Dei people are far from Christians but they believe themselves to be super Catholic. Here's there apologist whose research they use to defend themselves. Not he also defends Scientology and has defended the Legion of Christ and by his own admission attended SaTanic rituals near Turin and finds them harmless. What Catholic ( especially opus dei) would attend a satanic mass even for research?
No Vox , I would never accuse of this however, Voris and Nicholson are prime examples of just how this cult operates as is believe it or not, e Michael Jones whom Mrs Engel proved was connected to the same opus dei monitary sources.
Voris was betrayed by placing his trust in opus dei spiritual direction which is NOT under the seal of confession, as were the parents of and the child who was sexually abused for years in the Spanish flagship OD school, by an OD Numerary , also removed from class for his "Spiritual Direction".
Voris has yet to recant his stupid Vortex promoting joining Opus Dei in order to know you are a "Real Catholic". That is Shameless !Either you are telling the TRUTH or you are lying by omission.
I read Mrs. Engels's compelling essays on Opus Dei and the connection with Jones. I know a little of the background because, as I wrote, I know both men. I really don't wish to comment any further on the specifics but I do think that the Jones book was a disgrace and know that one person is now paying a big price for the whole damn mess.
Extended Interregnum: According to theologian Dorsch, "The Church therefore is a society that is essentially monarchical. But this does not prevent the Church, for a short time after the death of a pope, OR EVEN FOR MANY YEARS, from remaining deprived of her head. [vel etiam per plures annos capite suo destituta manet]. Her monarchical form also remains intact in this state.… Thus the Church is then indeed a headless body.… Her monarchical form of government remains, though then in a different way — that is, it remains incomplete and to be completed. The ordering of the whole to submission to her Primate is present, even though actual submission is not…
For this reason, the See of Rome is rightly said to remain after the person sitting in it has died — for the See of Rome consists essentially in the rights of the Primate.
These rights are an essential and necessary element of the Church. With them, moreover, the Primacy then continues, at least morally. The perennial physical presence of the person of the head, however, [perennitas autem physica personis principis] is not so strictly necessary." (de Ecclesia 2:196–7)
Second, according to theologian Salaverri, instead of being a "primary foundation… without which the Church could not exist," the pope is a "secondary foundation," "ministerial," who exercises his power as someone else’s (Christ’s) representative. (See De Ecclesia 1:448)
Theologian Fr. Edmund James O'Reilly, one of the most orthodox and erudite theologians of the 19th century. He wrote a book in 1882 (a scant twelve years after the Vatican Council), entitled The Relations of the Church to Society — Theological Essays. On page 287, he writes in reference to the Great Western Schism:
"There had been anti-popes before from time to time, but never for such a continuance... nor ever with such a following... The great schism of the West suggests to me a reflection which I take the liberty of expressing here. If this schism had not occurred, the hypothesis of such a thing happening would appear to many chimerical. They would say it could not be; God would not permit the Church to come into so unhappy a situation. Heresies might spring up and spread and last painfully long, through the fault and to the perdition of their authors and abettors, to the great distress too of the faithful, increased by actual persecution in many places where the heretics were dominant. But that the true Church should remain between thirty and forty years without a thoroughly ascertained Head, and representative of Christ on earth, this would not be. Yet it has been; and we have no guarantee that it will not be again, though we may fervently hope otherwise. What I would infer is, that we must not be too ready to pronounce on what God may permit. We know with absolute certainty that He will fulfill His promises; not allow anything to occur at variance with them; that He will sustain His Church and enable her to triumph over all enemies and difficulties; that He will give to each of the faithful those graces which are needed for each one’s service of Him and attainment of salvation, as He did during the great schism we have been considering, and in all the sufferings and trials which the Church has passed through from the beginning. We may also trust He will do a great deal more than what He has bound Himself to by His promises. We may look forward with a cheering probability to exemption for the future from some of the troubles and misfortunes that have befallen in the past. But we, or our successors in future generations of Christians, shall perhaps see stranger evils than have yet been experienced, even before the immediate approach of that great winding up of all things on earth that will precede the day of judgment. I am not setting up for a prophet, nor pretending to see unhappy wonders, of which I have no knowledge whatever. All I mean to convey is that contingencies regarding the Church, not excluded by the Divine promises, cannot be regarded as practically impossible, just because they would be terrible and distressing in a very high degree." Summary and Conclusion The visibility of the Church is not bound to an actual, living pope on the throne of St. Peter. The Vatican Council's 1870 decree on the papacy has been misconstrued. The institution of the papacy is perpetual; there is no need nor guarantee of actual men to fill that See. The Great Western Schism sets historical precedent for a de facto interregnum of 51 years. The teaching of the theologians clearly shows a vacancy of the Holy See lasting for an extended period of time. Such a vacancy cannot be pronounced to be incompatible with the promises of Christ as to the Indefectibility of the Church. It is also taught by the theologians that it would be exceedingly rash to set any prejudged limits as to what God will be prepared to allow to happen to the Holy See, except for that which would be contrary to Divine Law (such as an "heretical pope"--an oxymoron) Vatican Council of 1870, in its decree Pastor Aeternus which decrees:" Therefore,if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by Divine law) that BLESSED PETER SHOULD HAVE PERPETUAL SUCCESSORS in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema." (Introibo Altare Dei
Thank you Peter Lamb. Perpetual successors certainly seems to indicate that we will at some point get an actual person to fill the Primacy. Okay, I’ll believe it then. That will be a very good thing.
David I agree with you that the outing of m Voris was done in a shameful manner by Jones and obviously spurred on by anger over lost revenues by Brammer.....All that aside I would be curious to know why no one including Mr Voris who hosted this man in Baltimore, has nothing to say about his accusations that P JP2 accepted " cash envelopes" from McCarrick ,as with Maciel knowing full well the activities of both men sodomizing children and seminarians. Mr Grein traveled to Rome and accompanied McCarrick as a youth and witnessed this first hand.
Apologies for the late reply to this article, Vox.
But I have been in an exchange of messages with Napier and Napier's minnions.
When I read this article, I found a contact email address for Napier. The email address for the record is chancery@adod.org.za
I sent a message to the address saying that what Napier had said about Raymond Arroyo was disgraceful, and I added that Napier needs to reconsider his intemperate, inaccurate and disingenuous words and to do the right thing by apologising publicly to Arroyo.
I received a reply from that email address within a couple of hours.
The reply was patronising and condescending. I was accused of being "too angry" to read what Napier said about the EWTN programme. The reply further stated that Napier had not attributed statements to Arroyo. And that I had not read the Napier tweet.
This reply did make me angry. I don't like being lied to, and I don't like being someone trying to take me for an idiot as well.
I DECIDED TO GET OFF THE FENCE AND TO PUT THE SITUATION AS I SEE IT IN PLAIN AND EXPLICIT LANGUAGE TO NAPIER - AND TO HELL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
"I read what you posted on Twitter, Napier.
You attempted to draw an equivalence between Raymond Arroyo and Ian Paisley. There is zero evidence that demonstrates that any such equivalence exists, Napier.
In plain English, you're telling lies. And your "explanation" compounds your own lies.
The fact of the matter is the Hireling occupying the Vatican has seen fit to consort with catholic clerical homosexual/pederastic enablers and apologists, welcomed an abortionist (Emma Bonino) to the Vatican properties, and is attempting to undermine the sacrament of matrimony.
The evidence to each of these charges is overwhelming and compelling.
You sir have seen fit to align yourself with the Hireling. You are a disgrace"
I'm calling out every member of the episcopacy and the college of cardinals who support the Hireling Bergoglio. And I no longer care where the cards fall at this point, because all of us who cherish the faith and seek to protect the church need to become far more radicalised about these scum dwelling within the church.
Borgoglio? He is the natural heir to what went before .
Ratzinger as head of the CDF REFUSED 3 requests to defrock Keisel at the behest of both the rabid pederast and his Bishop. "...for the good of the church and "...because the priest was still young."
As for the so called "saint" JP2 . Please note in the Taylor Marshall interview of James Greim that JP2 was, "not moving fast enough" for the St Gallen Mafia, even though he accepted envelope tributes of cash from the well known abuser McCarrick for his pet projects , like the fake fall of communism choreographed by his communist friends who also employed his friend Walesa, now a proven KGB agent informer. http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/291302,Handwriting-tests-show-Walesa-was-communistera-informer
Opus Dei did have a role in the Vigano affair. The question is why? Is it their purpose to have another hand picked Opus Dei Pope to continue their own organizations promotion as with JP2?
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Voris is a warrior.
Ana Milan asks this on Twitter (I’m kicked off too Vox): “What if a valid pope is illicitly overthrown by a heretical, political NWO Modernist, are the faithful honour-bound to follow him & his disbelieving cronies thereby relinquishing their souls to Hell which this ‘pope’ doesn’t believe in? What happens when the true pope dies?” I feel like I’m living in Groundhog Day bc I can answer this. We’re bound not to follow him. When the true pope dies most won’t have any idea and we will continue on without one indefinitely, plunging deeper and deeper into an anti-Christian new world order. Everyone seems to think 2013 was a new day but we’ve been living the same day since 1958. If we don’t go back to that day to fix this, it’s not going to be fixed and I’m assuming at this point it won’t be.
Personally I find the Apocalypse pretty clear on this point Melanie, as I do with the Prophecy of LaSalette that they have done their darndest to suppress just like Fatima.......see Rad Trad Thomist on that point.
Re: "warrior" ?
Not likely. More to do with Opus Dei and JP2 plus anger over getting kicked out of Dunwoody seminary while another overtly criminal sodomite at the time was Ordained.
Dear Melanie, I know it was Ana's question, but I'm trying to answer your post. A true Pope was not "illicitly overthrown". The true Pope died and an imposter was elected by the judeo-masonic invaders. There is no question of following a false, heretical, non-Catholic "pope."
When the true Pope dies we are in an "interregnum" until the next true Pope's Coronation. We are in the longest interregnum in the Church's history, but the Church continues until its next visible Head arrives.
The situation most definitely, with absolute certainty, will be "fixed." How it will be fixed, or when it will be fixed we simply do not know. Our Lady has assured us that Her Immaculate Heart will prevail and that the Church will be restored to her former glory. Our Lord has promised that He will be with His Church until the end of time and that the "gates of hell", i.e. heresy and heretics, will not prevail. Holy Scripture has long warned us about the "operation of error", which is exactly what we are experiencing now. We know the cause; we know the method; we know the eventual outcome. We fear not because God is permitting this for a reason - to separate the Believers from the Unbelievers and He, as always, is in total control.
How we are going to get the next true Pope? We do not know. NO MATTER! We believe and in time we will see. There are various possibilities we might speculate upon, but we know that Peter's succession will last until the end of the world. One day we will again have a true Pope - that is for absolute certain. In the meantime, we be patient, we trust in Our Lord and Lady, we practice our Faith exactly as it has always been practiced and we obey Holy Scripture and let judeo-masonic heretics and their satanic church be anathema.
I was glad to hear that Mr. Voris correctly observes that these bishops do not have the Catholic Faith. Unfortunately, he does not draw the necessary conclusion that one must hold the Catholic Faith to be a Catholic.
Thank you Peter Lamb. I can’t prove it but I do believe that those sob’s did something to our real Pope in 1958. I don’t know what or who it was but everyone should have had the same sick feeling when Roncolli stepped out on that Loggia, as w/Jorge. Nothing can happen to the Church, She is eternal, Mary’s Immaculate Heart triumphed, the end could last however long without a Pope, until there is barely any faith on Earth. And then the end, hasn’t that been the end of the story all along? I just feel like we’ve had precursors to Antichrist throughout history and we’ve always had an obligation to act according to what was right and true rather than say, whelp this is it. So, just in case this isn’t the end we should act to defeat these lying bastards, be nice to go out trying. I’ve learned to sing some Latin hymns so I can make them suffer through that, even if they’re killing me. That’s provided the Holy Ghost gives me the gift of fortitude, please God.
Dear Vox, Am I allowed to post this here? It seems that everytime I try to post this on facebook, someone decides nobody else should see this or think about this, and they remove my post. Specifically I posted it on Christine Niles' facebook wall. Without explanation, it was promptly removed. What are they afraid of? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkadmPUJgOw
I did not agree with CM's policy on criticizing our destroyer pope. It took them a few years to come to the obvious conclusion, and now they are all on board and we should be thrilled to have them. Michael Voris and his crew are invaluable, they are very good at what they do. We have a miniscule Catholic media presence, faithful, that is, and so we need every hand on deck. Michael Voris is superb as a journalist. He goes where the action is and asks the hard questions, if he can get in at all. His reports do not waste a word, there's no fluff, just relevant information, and he has solid evaluative skills, so we get properly informed. I hope they keep up the good work.
Can I post this here? I find it much more compelling than Benevacantism as it does not pretend the years 1958 through 2013 were inconsequential. Unfortunately it’s not a video, but there are pictures.
http://letfreedomring247.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Grave-Reasons-of-State-Gary-Giuffre-Fr-Villa-article-Chiesa-Viva.pdf
CMtv Michael Voris has promoted Opus Dei under his RealCatholictv and I noted they have not reported on the Opus Dei pederast abuse trial that went on in Spain.
The Numerary more recently was found guilty and sentenced to 11 years in jail for sexually abusing a child in their Opus Dei school there under the guise of Spiritual Direction when taking him out of class for a number of years.
https://abyssum.org/2018/04/13/this-is-truly-a-horror-story-of-vatican-and-opus-dei-crucifixion-of-a-young-spanish-student-at-gaztelueta-school-in-spain/
If Vox would permit, I asked this question to the gallery on AKACatholic & I don’t think I ever got a response. If I could please ask Peter Lamb where I can find reference to Church dogma that says that at the end of the world there will be a Pope. Originally, I asked this bc Bishop Fellay said precisely this, that it was Church dogma that there would be a Pope until the end of the world. I’d never thought about it until fairly recently but can’t recall learning this particular dogma. It seems like if there were a Pope at the end of the world then people wouldn’t follow the Antichrist, so to me it’d make sense that he’d be absent. But if it’s Church dogma, I’ll believe it. I’d just like to know if it really is or if this is just something that’s been assumed. Is it in Revelation? Does it say in there that the Antichrist makes war against the Pope, imprisons the Pope, exhiles the Pope, kills the Pope? I don’t recall the Pope being mentioned in Revelation but I can barely understand that book, at all. If you give me something I can read, I will.
No one answered because there is no such dogma. Christ promised Peter's successors Divine assistance. It is obvious that Bergolio is not being assisted by God but by Lucifer. Right there is all the proof anyone needs that Bergolio cannot be a true Pope and must be an anti-Pope. Why R&Rers are blind to this simple fact is beyond my comprehension.
It is also dogmatic that the Pope, being assisted by the Holy Ghost CANNOT err in matters of faith or morals. Another clear and definitive piece of evidence that Bergolio is an anti-Pope.
Anon.
I am severely editing your comment. As someone who is/was a friend of both Michael Voris and Father Paul Nicholson, I cannot and will not print all of your commentary. I read the trash written by E.Michael Jones. It was a cruel and unnecessary intrusion into the life of Mr. Voris. None of it was necessary to be known. Therefore, I will not quote what you have written, nor will I link it. Both men, Michael and FPN have suffered terribly and no doubt, continue to do so. I feel dreadful for both of them, but especially Father Nicholson. The man officiated at my Nuptials and I was his Schola master for three years. I have no connection to Opus Dei, lest you accuse me of being part of it for not publishing your full comment.
Vox Cantoris
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Educate yourselves......Look up Paul Weyrich of opus dei and Massimo Introvigne of Cesnur along with Morton Blackwell and TFP ( which dumbo Voris has also promoted.) Massimo is very interesting as an Italian sociologist who reports on religions and cults and as an apologist for the Opus Dei cult and SATANISM.
Yes, Voris is a warrior but for exactly what and who?
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Opus Dei people are far from Christians but they believe themselves to be super Catholic.
Here's there apologist whose research they use to defend themselves.
Not he also defends Scientology and has defended the Legion of Christ and by his own admission attended SaTanic rituals near Turin and finds them harmless. What Catholic ( especially opus dei) would attend a satanic mass even for research?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Introvigne
No Vox , I would never accuse of this however, Voris and Nicholson are prime examples of just how this cult operates as is believe it or not, e Michael Jones whom Mrs Engel proved was connected to the same opus dei monitary sources.
Voris was betrayed by placing his trust in opus dei spiritual direction which is NOT under the seal of confession, as were the parents of and the child who was sexually abused for years in the Spanish flagship OD school, by an OD Numerary , also removed from class for his "Spiritual Direction".
Voris has yet to recant his stupid Vortex promoting joining Opus Dei in order to know you are a "Real Catholic".
That is Shameless !Either you are telling the TRUTH or you are lying by omission.
I read Mrs. Engels's compelling essays on Opus Dei and the connection with Jones. I know a little of the background because, as I wrote, I know both men. I really don't wish to comment any further on the specifics but I do think that the Jones book was a disgrace and know that one person is now paying a big price for the whole damn mess.
Extended Interregnum:
According to theologian Dorsch, "The Church therefore is a society that is essentially monarchical. But this does not prevent the Church, for a short time after the death of a pope, OR EVEN FOR MANY YEARS, from remaining deprived of her head. [vel etiam per plures annos capite suo destituta manet]. Her monarchical form also remains intact in this state.…
Thus the Church is then indeed a headless body.… Her monarchical form of government remains, though then in a different way — that is, it remains incomplete and to be completed. The ordering of the whole to submission to her Primate is present, even though actual submission is not…
For this reason, the See of Rome is rightly said to remain after the person sitting in it has died — for the See of Rome consists essentially in the rights of the Primate.
These rights are an essential and necessary element of the Church. With them, moreover, the Primacy then continues, at least morally. The perennial physical presence of the person of the head, however, [perennitas autem physica personis principis] is not so strictly necessary." (de Ecclesia 2:196–7)
Second, according to theologian Salaverri, instead of being a "primary foundation… without which the Church could not exist," the pope is a "secondary foundation," "ministerial," who exercises his power as someone else’s (Christ’s) representative. (See De Ecclesia 1:448)
Theologian Fr. Edmund James O'Reilly, one of the most orthodox and erudite theologians of the 19th century. He wrote a book in 1882 (a scant twelve years after the Vatican Council), entitled The Relations of the Church to Society — Theological Essays. On page 287, he writes in reference to the Great Western Schism:
"There had been anti-popes before from time to time, but never for such a continuance... nor ever with such a following...
The great schism of the West suggests to me a reflection which I take the liberty of expressing here. If this schism had not occurred, the hypothesis of such a thing happening would appear to many chimerical. They would say it could not be; God would not permit the Church to come into so unhappy a situation. Heresies might spring up and spread and last painfully long, through the fault and to the perdition of their authors and abettors, to the great distress too of the faithful, increased by actual persecution in many places where the heretics were dominant. But that the true Church should remain between thirty and forty years without a thoroughly ascertained Head, and representative of Christ on earth, this would not be. Yet it has been; and we have no guarantee that it will not be again, though we may fervently hope otherwise. What I would infer is, that we must not be too ready to pronounce on what God may permit. We know with absolute certainty that He will fulfill His promises; not allow anything to occur at variance with them; that He will sustain His Church and enable her to triumph over all enemies and difficulties; that He will give to each of the faithful those graces which are needed for each one’s service of Him and attainment of salvation, as He did during the great schism we have been considering, and in all the sufferings and trials which the Church has passed through from the beginning. We may also trust He will do a great deal more than what He has bound Himself to by His promises. We may look forward with a cheering probability to exemption for the future from some of the troubles and misfortunes that have befallen in the past. But we, or our successors in future generations of Christians, shall perhaps see stranger evils than have yet been experienced, even before the immediate approach of that great winding up of all things on earth that will precede the day of judgment. I am not setting up for a prophet, nor pretending to see unhappy wonders, of which I have no knowledge whatever. All I mean to convey is that contingencies regarding the Church, not excluded by the Divine promises, cannot be regarded as practically impossible, just because they would be terrible and distressing in a very high degree."
Summary and Conclusion
The visibility of the Church is not bound to an actual, living pope on the throne of St. Peter.
The Vatican Council's 1870 decree on the papacy has been misconstrued. The institution of the papacy is perpetual; there is no need nor guarantee of actual men to fill that See.
The Great Western Schism sets historical precedent for a de facto interregnum of 51 years.
The teaching of the theologians clearly shows a vacancy of the Holy See lasting for an extended period of time. Such a vacancy cannot be pronounced to be incompatible with the promises of Christ as to the Indefectibility of the Church.
It is also taught by the theologians that it would be exceedingly rash to set any prejudged limits as to what God will be prepared to allow to happen to the Holy See, except for that which would be contrary to Divine Law (such as an "heretical pope"--an oxymoron)
Vatican Council of 1870, in its decree Pastor Aeternus which decrees:" Therefore,if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord Himself (that is to say, by Divine law) that BLESSED PETER SHOULD HAVE PERPETUAL SUCCESSORS in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema."
(Introibo Altare Dei
http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.co.za/
Thank you Peter Lamb. Perpetual successors certainly seems to indicate that we will at some point get an actual person to fill the Primacy. Okay, I’ll believe it then. That will be a very good thing.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/buffalo-bishops-refuse-to-investigate-possible-eucharistic-miracle
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sacrilege-jesuit-priest-promotes-rainbow-rosary-with-prayers-for-full-accep
David I agree with you that the outing of m Voris was done in a shameful manner by Jones and obviously spurred on by anger over lost revenues by Brammer.....All that aside
I would be curious to know why no one including Mr Voris who hosted this man in Baltimore, has nothing to say about his accusations that P JP2 accepted " cash envelopes" from McCarrick ,as with Maciel knowing full well the activities of both men sodomizing children and seminarians. Mr Grein traveled to Rome and accompanied McCarrick as a youth and witnessed this first hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYs6fo-HiE&feature=youtu.be
@ Paul Morphy,
Apologies for the late reply to this article, Vox.
But I have been in an exchange of messages with Napier and Napier's minnions.
When I read this article, I found a contact email address for Napier.
The email address for the record is chancery@adod.org.za
I sent a message to the address saying that what Napier had said about Raymond Arroyo was disgraceful, and I added that Napier needs to reconsider his intemperate, inaccurate and disingenuous words and to do the right thing by apologising publicly to Arroyo.
I received a reply from that email address within a couple of hours.
The reply was patronising and condescending. I was accused of being "too angry" to read what Napier said about the EWTN programme. The reply further stated that Napier had not attributed statements to Arroyo. And that I had not read the Napier tweet.
This reply did make me angry. I don't like being lied to, and I don't like being someone trying to take me for an idiot as well.
I DECIDED TO GET OFF THE FENCE AND TO PUT THE SITUATION AS I SEE IT IN PLAIN AND EXPLICIT LANGUAGE TO NAPIER - AND TO HELL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
"I read what you posted on Twitter, Napier.
You attempted to draw an equivalence between Raymond Arroyo and Ian Paisley.
There is zero evidence that demonstrates that any such equivalence exists, Napier.
In plain English, you're telling lies. And your "explanation" compounds your own lies.
The fact of the matter is the Hireling occupying the Vatican has seen fit to consort with catholic clerical homosexual/pederastic enablers and apologists, welcomed an abortionist (Emma Bonino) to the Vatican properties, and is attempting to undermine the sacrament of matrimony.
The evidence to each of these charges is overwhelming and compelling.
You sir have seen fit to align yourself with the Hireling.
You are a disgrace"
I'm calling out every member of the episcopacy and the college of cardinals who support the Hireling Bergoglio. And I no longer care where the cards fall at this point, because all of us who cherish the faith and seek to protect the church need to become far more radicalised about these scum dwelling within the church.
Let the chips fall where they may.
Borgoglio? He is the natural heir to what went before .
Ratzinger as head of the CDF REFUSED 3 requests to defrock Keisel at the behest of both the rabid pederast and his Bishop. "...for the good of the church and "...because the priest was still young."
As for the so called "saint" JP2 . Please note in the Taylor Marshall interview of James Greim that JP2 was, "not moving fast enough" for the St Gallen Mafia, even though he accepted envelope tributes of cash from the well known abuser McCarrick for his pet projects , like the fake fall of communism choreographed by his communist friends who also employed his friend Walesa, now a proven KGB agent informer.
http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/291302,Handwriting-tests-show-Walesa-was-communistera-informer
https://akacatholic.com/opus-deis-role-in-the-vigano-affair/
Opus Dei did have a role in the Vigano affair.
The question is why?
Is it their purpose to have another hand picked Opus Dei Pope to continue their own organizations promotion as with JP2?
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