“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.” ― St. Antony the Great
Reasons one may not want to: 1. It's usually not the High Mass you may remember, if you are old. 2. It's never ever a Mass that allows the congregation to join in the chant or the responses, both of which were encouraged by Pius XII in the 50's! 3. It's usually at a most inconvenient hour. 4. It may be at an ugly 70's church building. 5. It is often very far away, with little possibility of creating community. 6. The celebrant may pronounce the Latin with great English dramatic expression, making the Mass uber long and funny. 7. The celebrant will often not read the Epistle and Gospel in English, which was always the practice. 8. Nobody really knows or does the ritual correctly - it was an organic thing, passed on by imitation, is lost, and can't be recovered by reading a book. 9. The congregation thinks that using the old Missal means the old canon law is still in effect with regard to head coverings. 10. The congregation believes that the traditional head covering is the mantilla, which was actually a fashion statement from the 60's when hats went out of style.
I will add to your list Mary. 11. Many times the worst active sodomites and pederasts use Traditional Latin Mass as a veneer for 'holiness". i.e. The SSJ where in ex SSPX and other TLM phoneys hid out. Then off to Paraguay under an Opus Dei Bishop who let Urutigroity in and even placed him over an orphanage....... The TLM perverts like Titerow , Marshall Roberts and quite a few others. Note ,I refuse to call them Father or Reverend just like these victims not only because they do not deserve the title ,but because they obviously never had the Proper intention to receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders validly. Listen CAREFULLY to this interview. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/victims-of-detroit-priest-speak-out
Yes, because it's so hard to hide in the novus ordo church. Your phony reasons are a clear sign you just don't like TLM and will say anything to help destroy it.
I am the first boomer, true! And I love the TLM, or, as I call it, Catholic liturgy (which is more than than the Mass - baptism for instance, boy, was that wrecked). I grew up with total immersion in the best. I do fear it is a lost art. I do not like the Novus Ordo AT ALL. It was intelligible to such as me because we read into it what we knew from the past, but as a standalone, it does not communicate. I was being a bit funny in the post, because, as most people know, their is no Emerald City anywhere, though we try. As for the hiding out, that was the case in the past, too. Perhaps why it was allowed in Providence to be destroyed. Glad it is being rebuilt piecemeal, but it will never be what it was, because the organic continuity is broken, the memory is gone, all we have are books. I hope I am wrong.
Mary, the TLM has not been destroyed, broken, or lost. Just because you don't think its up to snuff with whatever limited exposure from where you live doesn't reflect it as a whole. Honestly most of your examples look like sour grapes rather then actual problems with the TLM or its communities.
With sadness , I agree with Mary . Having grown up with the Latin Mass and having been to Indults and independent chapels, I find none of them have replaced what once was.Perhaps it is the mood of the laity or maybe even the homilies ? Still the Gregorian chant, once so common placed at Mass , are many times missing or lacking.I miss singing those chanted prayers in the choir. There never seems to be enough participants either ,usually because these Masses are in more remote locations.
Denver's Our Lady Of Mount Caramel FSSP is thriving, has a beautiful choir and is conveniently located near downtown Littleton. Our priest Fr. Jackson is very concerned about the choir and musical element of the mass. Truly blessed. If ever if the area please so yourself a favor and check it out.
Enjcj, will do! You are blest. I will add that of course the Lord speaks and acts in the Novus Ordo liturgy, and it is good for us to share in the stripping of the garments of the Church's passion. But hard. But it could be easier if celebrated and sung well. It seems that the Responsorial Psalm is the centerpiece of most Masses, along with the "Prayers of the Faithful", which are anything but.
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Reasons one may not want to:
1. It's usually not the High Mass you may remember, if you are old.
2. It's never ever a Mass that allows the congregation to join in the chant or the responses, both of which were encouraged by Pius XII in the 50's!
3. It's usually at a most inconvenient hour.
4. It may be at an ugly 70's church building.
5. It is often very far away, with little possibility of creating community.
6. The celebrant may pronounce the Latin with great English dramatic expression, making the Mass uber long and funny.
7. The celebrant will often not read the Epistle and Gospel in English, which was always the practice.
8. Nobody really knows or does the ritual correctly - it was an organic thing, passed on by imitation, is lost, and can't be recovered by reading a book.
9. The congregation thinks that using the old Missal means the old canon law is still in effect with regard to head coverings.
10. The congregation believes that the traditional head covering is the mantilla, which was actually a fashion statement from the 60's when hats went out of style.
Wow, can you be more of a boomer mary.
I will add to your list Mary.
11. Many times the worst active sodomites and pederasts use Traditional Latin Mass as a veneer for 'holiness".
i.e. The SSJ where in ex SSPX and other TLM phoneys hid out. Then off to Paraguay under an Opus Dei Bishop who let Urutigroity in and even placed him over an orphanage.......
The TLM perverts like Titerow , Marshall Roberts and quite a few others.
Note ,I refuse to call them Father or Reverend just like these victims not only because they do not deserve the title ,but because they obviously never had the Proper intention to receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders validly.
Listen CAREFULLY to this interview.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/victims-of-detroit-priest-speak-out
Yes, because it's so hard to hide in the novus ordo church. Your phony reasons are a clear sign you just don't like TLM and will say anything to help destroy it.
MARY, YOUR COMMENT DESERVES A WHOLE POST.
WATCH OUT!
I am the first boomer, true! And I love the TLM, or, as I call it, Catholic liturgy (which is more than than the Mass - baptism for instance, boy, was that wrecked). I grew up with total immersion in the best. I do fear it is a lost art. I do not like the Novus Ordo AT ALL. It was intelligible to such as me because we read into it what we knew from the past, but as a standalone, it does not communicate. I was being a bit funny in the post, because, as most people know, their is no Emerald City anywhere, though we try. As for the hiding out, that was the case in the past, too. Perhaps why it was allowed in Providence to be destroyed. Glad it is being rebuilt piecemeal, but it will never be what it was, because the organic continuity is broken, the memory is gone, all we have are books. I hope I am wrong.
You are wrong, in all due respect. The TLM I go to is incredibly reverent, not perfect but closer than my no parish by a million miles.
Mary, the TLM has not been destroyed, broken, or lost. Just because you don't think its up to snuff with whatever limited exposure from where you live doesn't reflect it as a whole. Honestly most of your examples look like sour grapes rather then actual problems with the TLM or its communities.
With sadness , I agree with Mary . Having grown up with the Latin Mass and having been to Indults and independent chapels, I find none of them have replaced what once was.Perhaps it is the mood of the laity or maybe even the homilies ? Still the Gregorian chant, once so common placed at Mass , are many times missing or lacking.I miss singing those chanted prayers in the choir.
There never seems to be enough participants either ,usually because these Masses are in more remote locations.
Denver's Our Lady Of Mount Caramel FSSP is thriving, has a beautiful choir and is conveniently located near downtown Littleton. Our priest Fr. Jackson is very concerned about the choir and musical element of the mass. Truly blessed. If ever if the area please so yourself a favor and check it out.
Enjcj, will do! You are blest. I will add that of course the Lord speaks and acts in the Novus Ordo liturgy, and it is good for us to share in the stripping of the garments of the Church's passion. But hard. But it could be easier if celebrated and sung well. It seems that the Responsorial Psalm is the centerpiece of most Masses, along with the "Prayers of the Faithful", which are anything but.
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