Not a week goes by, not an aeroplane trip ending without Jorge Bergoglio saying something that is a scandal and a disgrace to the Chair of Peter. On the trip back from Armenia, Bergoglio has said that:
He has said that the "Church" and "Christians" and "we" must apologise to "Gays" for how we have treated them.
I, Vox Cantoris, do hereby apologise.
I apologise to Graham, a gay singing colleague in a church choir years ago, who was invited to my home for a barbeque with the others. I apologise for including you and not throwing you off my property when it was revealed that evening that you were "gay."
I apologise to Alan who shared my table with other friends at Christmas dinner and whom I shared more than one private dinner together during his journey to Christ. I apologise for treating you as any other sinful brother in Christ and not denouncing you as a wretched sodomite.
I apologise to my former dog-groomer and neighbour for not insulting your lesbian lifestyle and appreciating the good work and friendliness over and above your despicable and immoral choice.
Shall I go on?
Every Catholic whom I know follows the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Every "trad!" We respect the individual. We do not condone the sin or the societal sodomitic juggernaut that has become all encompassing and now even affects the very highest in the Church, as well.
I will not apologise for stating that sodomy is evil and that people who engage in it are in a grievous state of mortal sin which, if unrepented, will put them in Hell. I will not apologise for the times which I have denounced sodomite priests and bishops and the agenda against the true Faith!
There is more in the latest interview, including about how we have wronged women too. An outright lie! Only the Catholic Church emancipated women for 2000 years.
Let us get to the point.
Jorge Bergoglio is a disgrace, a scandal, a malefactor. He is a disgrace to the Chair of Peter and unfit as Vicar of Christ.
These comments by him are deplorable, That they come the week and month when sodomitical choices are being thrown at us is detestable.
This stupid, evil man. This perfect Modernist, this liberal, this heretic. Enough of his blathering and his idiotic statements. This stupid, evil man will now have these comments used by the Church's enemies to persecute priests, catholic teachers and laity who stand by the truth. The media is already manipulating the stupid statement about "discrimination" and will use it to beat up every faithful Catholic.
The Pope is a malefactor, an evil doer.
When he came out that night on the loggia, I sat there watching suppressing the physical urge to vomit. I had never heard of Jorge Bergoglio but deep inside, it was if I had seen the evil incarnate and a deep sense of foreboding descended. It lasted hours.
What else, friends?
Do not look back and say, "I miss Pope Benedict." No! This is Joseph Ratzinger's doing. Joseph Ratzinger deserted his children. He abandoned us to the wolves. His action directly allowed this malefactor Bergoglio to seize the Chair of Peter.
Bishops, Cardinals. You must denounce this Pope and his errors.
You will be held accountable by God for the betrayal you have countenanced.
O good St. Joseph, open his eyes or close them!
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Unfortunately, it doesn't matter to the Hierarchy how many times we the laity denounce PF & his supporters for the continual outrages, obfuscation & public contradictions to the Catholic faith they make, they will not budge unless it can be officially seen to go directly against what Canon Law claims to be objective heresy. Even those who were proven enablers in the child abuse scandal haven't been touched. Also lay Canon Lawyers haven't been able to establish if PF could be classified as a heretic prior to his election to the Papal Office, or if that election was carried out in compliance with JPII instructions and whether the wholesale canvassing that procured the result the St. Gallen Group wanted was, in fact, legitimate. Lucifer dictates everything that goes on in the Vatican, EU, UN, Congress et al.
Pope Emeritus Benedict who has first-hnd knowledge of what is in the Third Secret has a moral obligation to announce its full content before it is too late & call for the immediate Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary before October when both the 99th anniversary of Her apparitions at Fatima will be celebrated & the commemorations of the Protestant Revolt will take place in Lund.
I totally agree you re Pope Benedict XVI. Even if he was coerced/forced/pressured to resign, he should still reveal the Third Secret of Fatima, not just for our sake but for the good of his own soul before he gives an accounting to God after his death.
Margaret
Christ had Judas ,Catholics have Jorge.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/msgr-pope/one-priests-concern-about-recent-remarks-by-the-pope
The gay clergy will be pleased.
An heretic doesn't have to say anything. He can indentify himself by wearing the ephod of the high priest, or the satanic pallium; he can place a buddah upon the Tabernacle; he can kiss the koran; he can stand through the Elevation. For any Catholic who knows his Faith to diagnose a heretic is easy - somebody who denies, rejects, or digresses from the Faith, even by one iota. The next step is the hard one, especially if the heretic claims to be the Pope. The Catholic has to make a choice:
Either the Dogma of Papal Infallibility is true - the Holy Ghost protects the Pope from ever teaching error to the Universal Church, which is consequently indefectible, - or it is not. If the Dogma is false, then by domino effect and logic, the Catholic Church is false and Jesus is not God. If the Dogma is true, then the heretic cannot be true Pope. Make your choice and bear the consequences.
"You duped me O Lord, and I let myself be duped...." Jer. 20:7
I really feel like I've lead my entire Catholic life - with all the guilt, prayers, concerns, in vain... I'm certain that whichever Catholic has lived through these past 4 to 6 decades is beginning to feel the same.
These guys don't even believe.. they just want power, privilege, and pampering - much pampering!
"You duped me O Lord, and I let myself be duped...." Jer. 20:7
I really feel like I've lead my entire Catholic life - with all the guilt, prayers, concerns, in vain... I'm certain that whichever Catholic has lived through these past 4 to 6 decades is beginning to feel the same.
These guys don't even believe.. they just want power, privilege, and pampering - much pampering!
No Dan, no! A thousand times no! My brother, you have done right, it is them. They are the evil ones. Follow the truth, follow Christ united with His Church. Do not despair. YOU WERE BORN FOR THIS!
Thank you friend. It just seems I've been watching our Church crumble into irrelevance my entire life of 50+ years.
TAKING THE BULL BY THE HORNS.
Dear Vox, I really like and admire you. You are straight as an arrow; sincere and honest; in Mexico they would say you have cajones the size of watermelons!
BUT
you can't call the Vicar of Christ by rude names, (bovine excrement, a disgrace, a scandal, a malefactor, a stupid, evil man, heresiarch etc.)
If you insult the British Ambassador, you insult Her Majesty. If you insult Christ's Vicar, you insult Our Lord Himself.
The Pope is the Unity of the Church, which was built upon him. What he binds on Earth is even bound in Heaven! His authority is awesome. He speaks by authority of God! Objectively, he is the most important man on the globe.
"This chair [of Peter] is the center of Catholic truth and unity, that is, the head, mother, and teacher of all the Churches to which all honor and obedience must be offered ... Be vigilant in act and word, so that the faithful may grow in love for this Holy See, venerate it, and accept it with complete obedience; they should execute whatever the See itself teaches, determines, and decrees.
(Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Inter Multiplices, nn. 1,7.)
"Union with the Roman See of Peter is ... always the public criterion of a Catholic…. “You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach that the faith of Rome is to be held”.
(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum, n. 13.)
"For this is the Church founded on Peter, “Rock,” not merely in name but in truth. Against this “the gates of hell will not prevail” [Mt 16:18] “for it is founded on a rock” [Mt 7:25; Lk 6:48]."
(Pope Pius VII, Encyclical Diu Satis, n. 6)
"For the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles. Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Saviour to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren. [Lk 22:32]
This gift of truth and never-failing faith was therefore divinely conferred on Peter and his successors in this see so that they might discharge their exalted office for the salvation of all, and so that the whole flock of Christ might be kept away by them from the poisonous food of error and be nourished with the sustenance of heavenly doctrine. Thus the tendency to schism is removed and the whole church is preserved in unity, and, resting on its foundation, can stand firm against the gates of hell."
(Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus, Ch.4)
Ask yourself this question: If I really believed in my heart of hearts that Jorge was a true Pope, would I dare to call him names?
Amen...Vox!! God bless you! My wife and I sensed something very wicked when the Destroyer walked onto the Loggia.
Thank you for also pointing the finger at Benedict XVI for divorcing himself from his children.
The Pope is 'teaching' heresy. Not formally mind you, not FROM THE CHAIR, but heresy true enough with his 'off the cuff' interviews. If he does not 'teach' it directly, he insinuates.
And......he is well aware of this. He did so in AL without ever having to 'teach from the Chair', and a thousand other times throughout this 3 year period. It has been 3 long, tortuous years under his 'leadership', and I don't see it ending soon, I see it ramping up, and we're not even close to his trip to Lund! In this same interview, he says that Martin Luther was correct in his quest to 'reform the Church', he just went about it the wrong way. He said the Church was not the perfect model in the 1500's so Luther was correct in calling for reform.
I didn't have quite the intense response that you did Vox, when he first walked out onto that balcony, but.......it was a very uneasy feeling I had. Told my H right away upon watching him that ........."something is not right here", "something is really wrong". I know that many had the same reaction, and I do think that was the Holy Spirit saying 'beware'.
It has been predicted that Rome would lose the faith and this is what has happened. The malfeasance of the many has silenced the few - they have been corrupted by this pope who, I personally believe, is not a true Pope & must be removed. That is proving much more difficult than it should be if he hasn't been properly elected or does not hold the Catholic faith. It is all down to the few who know what has occurred prior to his election & have been possibly threatened since into keeping mum about it. I suggest our prayers should be directed towards a true leader emerging from lower down the hierarchal scale, e.g. Bishop Schneider, Archbishops Lenga or Gadecki to come forward by the hand of God & take the reins. Praying for the conversion of PF is a waste - he's lost.
Vox, you certainly CAN call a heretic names that describe his behavior and pronouncements best, and in a way that demonstrates the seriousness--and evil--of the statements and actions involved. To an earlier poster: if Benedict were coerced, intimidated into resigning, the resignation itself is invalid. That makes subsequent election of Bergoglio invalid, especially since the political campaign to get him elected makes his election, in the eyes of the Church, invalid anyway. There is no way to make excuses for this truly evil man. I've tried and tried to avoid this, but...Ann Barnhardt is, indeed correct. I disagree with her as to why Benedict is still pope...but God, in His infinite wisdom, provided for that necessity.
Vox said..."There is more in the latest interview, including about how we have wronged women too. An outright lie! Only the Catholic Church emancipated women for 2000 years."
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Vox, what His Holiness Pope Francis said yesterday was not new. On March 12, 2000 A.D., during the Day or Pardon ceremony that included then-Cardinal Ratzinger, several Cardinals and Archbishops presented a series of sins committed throughout the centuries by Catholics. Following the announcement of each sin, Pope Saint John Paul II apologized on our behalf. He then begged God to forgive us for that sin.
Among the intercessions that day was the following:
Solemn Intercession VI: Confession of Sins Against the Dignity of Women and the Unity of the Human Race
Cardinal Francis Arinze: "Let us pray for all those who have suffered offenses against their human dignity and whose rights have been trampled; let us pray for women, who are all too often humiliated and emarginated, and let us acknowledge the forms of acquiescence in these sins of which Christians too have been guilty.
{Silent prayer.]
Pope Saint John Paul II: "Lord God, our Father, you created the human being, man and woman, in your image and likeness and you willed the diversity of peoples within the unity of the human family.
"At times, however, the equality of your sons and daughters has not been acknowledged, and Christians have been guilty of attitudes of rejection and exclusion, consenting to acts of discrimination on the basis of racial and ethnic differences.
"Forgive us and grant us the grace to heal the wounds still present in your community on account of sin, so that we will all feel ourselves to be your sons and daughters. We ask this through Christ our Lord."
R. Amen. R. Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison; Kyrie, eleison.
[A lamp is lit before the Crucifix.]
Pax.
Mark Thomas
I did not ask them to apologise. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now.
The man is either insane or evil Mark.
It is one or the other.
My Catholic friends. The Church has been under assault and infiltrated for many decades. We are now at the point where it cannot be maintained that a true Pope is in the Vatican. Whether it's when he said Mary called God a liar at the cross, or the child Jesus disobeyed his parents when he went to the temple, or it's the promotion of sodomy, or it's saying Luther did not err, or its the posit that God is not a magician and evolution is real, this person, this man, he is not a Catholic. He is not the true Pope. Neither is Benedict XVI, who renounced his position, when confronted with a 300 page dossier on the homosexual and corrupt lobby of "priests" in the Vatican II sect. Masonry, Marxism, Protestantism, Zionism, Satanism,
these have all gang raped our Church into visible starvation. Impostors and deleterious plotters have been working to take over the Church since the time of Leo XII's 100 year vision, from which he composed the Prayer to Archangel Michael. Even Paul VI warned us. We should not follow false teachers to perdition.
Jorge Bergoglio is a man working in the world, not a Roman Pontiff. It is our duty as true Catholics to help others be aware. Better a small Church than an heretical church of demons.
SEDE VACANTE !
White Smoke 1958.
Vox said..."He has said that the "Church" and "Christians" and "we" must apologise to "Gays" for how we have treated them. I will not apologise for stating that sodomy is evil and that people who engage in it are in a grievous state of mortal sin which, if unrepented, will put them in Hell."
Vox, His Holiness Pope Francis yesterday made the following clear:
1. "...when I say the Church, I mean Christians! The Church is holy, we are sinners! – Christians must ask forgiveness for having not accompanied so many choices, so many families..."
We must be very careful to note that Pope Francis made it clear that we humans, sinners, who live within Holy Mother Church are called to apologize. Holy Mother Church, Her holy teachings, are not at fault...sinners are at fault. The Catholic Church's teachings on homosexuality are holy.
2. Vox, Pope Francis does not desire that we apologize for the fact that, as you noted, "sodomy is evil". We have every right and reason as Catholics to condemn the sin of the Sodomites.
3. Cindy Wooden, of CNS, made her question about homosexuals alone. However, as the transcript of the press conference revealed, Pope Francis refused to state that homosexuals are the only folks against whom certain Catholics have sinned. Pope Francis made it clear that certain Catholics have, over time, mistreated several groups...not just homosexuals. That said, let us be real. There are Catholics who have sinned against homosexuals.
4. Pope Francis yesterday, as he had done in 2013 A.D., made a clear distinction between homosexuals of good will, individuals, who seek God, versus homosexual groups (or a "lobby" of homosexuals as he noted in 2014 A.D.
5. Pope Francis yesterday made it clear that "one can condemn" the Homosexual Lobby for "reasons of political behavior". He has declared that we must resist and condemn organizations who promote homosexuality, in particular, same-sex "unions".
6. Pope Francis yesterday declared that certain manifestations of homosexuality — the Homosexual Lobby — are "offensive".
7. Pope Francis yesterday during his reply to Cindy Wooden's question made it clear three times that his reply in question was rooted in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Three times Pope Francis referenced the CCC.
Pope Francis yesterday, as he had done in 2013 A.D., made it clear that he accepts and promotes the Church's teachings on homosexuality. Therefore, as he has made clear, we have every right and reason to condemn and resist the Homosexual Lobby's efforts to promote the sin of the Sodomites.
Vox, as a holy Catholic man, you do that. As you noted, during your encounters with homosexuals, you have treated them always with charity. That is the Church's teaching. But what it comes to the satanic Homosexual Lobby, who have condemned its attempt to promote and legitimize the sin of the Sodomites. That, too, is the Church's teaching.
Vox, that is simply what Pope Francis did yesterday and, for that matter, in 2013 A.D. When we encounter the individual homosexual of good will — that is a critical distinction offered by Pope Francis — who seeks God, we are called by Holy Mother Church to treat that person with charity.
Unfortunately, there are many times when Catholics have not done so. In that regard, the homosexual of good will, who seeks God, should receive our apology. That is simply what Pope Francis said.
Conversely, as Pope Francis has declared, we must condemn the Homosexual Lobby. We must condemn the politicization of homosexuality. We must condemn the offensive manifestations of homosexuality.
Again, Vox, Pope Francis does not wish for you to apologize for that.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Vox said..."I did not ask them to apologise. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now."
Vox, I wished only to indicate that what His Holiness Pope Francis said yesterday was not new. Pope Saint John Paul II in 2000 A.D. (and additional times) apologized for the sins that Catholics had committed against women, and for that matter, various groups.
There were many Cardinals and Archbishops who opposed Pope Saint John Paul II's Day of Pardon as they feared that the Pope's apologizes would be employed by the Church's enemies to attack Her and Her holy teachings.
However, Pope Saint John Paul II and then-Cardinal Ratzinger pushed forward with the Day of Pardon. At the very least, the Day of Pardon was/is controversial. I appreciate the concerns that Catholics had/have with the Day of Pardon.
Vox, I also appreciate the concerns that you and others have in regard to Pope Francis' comments yesterday about begging certain folks for forgiveness of sins committed against them. In particular, it is difficult, if not impossible, for Pope Francis during a time-limited press conference to explain himself in-depth...not to mention the problems associated with off-the-cuff comments.
Anyway, in 2000 A.D., during the Day of Pardon, Pope Saint John Paul II begged forgiveness for seven categories of sins committed by Catholics. A Cardinal or Archbishop presented a particular category of sin that was followed by Pope Saint John Paul II's plea for forgiveness.
Pope Francis yesterday referenced certain groups in question whom received apologizes in 2000 A.D....such as sins committed against women (Confession VI).
I. CONFESSION OF SINS IN GENERAL...(presented by Cardinal Bernardin Gantin)
II. CONFESSION OF SINS COMMITTED IN THE SERVICE OF TRUTH...(presented by Cardinal Ratzinger)
III. CONFESSION OF SINS WHICH HAVE HARMED THE UNITY OF THE BODY OF CHRIST...(presented by Cardinal Etchegaray)
IV. CONFESSION OF SINS AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL...(presented by Cardinal Cassidy)
V. CONFESSION OF SINS COMMITTED IN ACTIONS AGAINST LOVE, PEACE, THE RIGHTS OF PEOPLES, AND RESPECT FOR CULTURES AND RELIGIONS...(presented by Archbishop Stephen Fumio Hamao)
VI. CONFESSION OF SINS AGAINST THE DIGNITY OF WOMEN AND THE UNITY OF THE HUMAN RACE...(presented by Cardinal Arinze)
VII. CONFESSION OF SINS IN RELATION TO THE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE PERSON...(presented by Archbishop François Xavier Nguyên Van Thuân)
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Vox said..."The man is either insane or evil Mark. It is one or the other."
Vox, why must we choose one or the other? Why not chalk it up to a simple case of imprudence by His Holiness Pope Francis?
Pax.
Mark Thomas
My name is Michael, I am 12 years old. My mom has been homeschooling us, my two sisters and myself for 6 years. My youngest brother (3 years old) will also be home-schooled. My parents have sacrificed so much for us to have a better education than the one offered in the schools, but most of all to protect us from the evil that was and is being taught in the schools. I see my mom sometimes cry and she apologizes to us for the world the way it is, that we cannot have a childhood like she had. We tell her she doesn't have to say sorry, it's not her fault. I do not understand what is happening in the Church, I just know it is not right. Why do we have to apologize to people who say they are lgbtqrstuvwxyz, they say, because I know God only created two genders, male and female, and He blessed them. So they choose to go against God. I don't understand why people clap in church, I don't understand why they talk and laugh while Jesus hangs on the cross up at the altar, and looks at them from the Tabernacle. I may be a kid, but who will apologize to my parents for having to sacrifice everything to keep us from the evil of this world, who have sacrificied everything to teach us properly about God, about His Church, to teach us to stand up for what is right even if it means we might not have any friends. Who will say sorry to my parents especially my mom, who has gone to meetings with teachers and principals and written letters to the priests and cardinals, so that they might change something at least in the so called catholic school, so that we could go without being looked at like wierdo's. Because we went back last year for 6 months and it was not good, at all. We will be homeschooled for good now, which means my mom has to stay home with us all the time, my dad has to work longer hours because he is the only one working to support us. Who will apologize to my parents, will you Pope Francis? My name is Michael and I love God and I love my parents and I hope that there are still good priests and bishops and cardinals who will do something to stop this evil. Ps. I got permission from my parents to write a comment. Thank you.
Dear Michael, what a good and meaningful comment you wrote. Your parents are doing a wonderful job of raising their children and must be extremely proud of you. I am going to show your comment to all my grandchildren. May god always bless your beautiful family. :)
NO ONE is lost Ana Milan, until they take their dying breath. Yes, the Pope (God forgive me for saying this) has LOST THE FAITH. Or..........maybe he never had it to begin with. I still to this day question whether or not he actually KNOWS the Catholic faith as he professes is HIS faith. How CAN HE??? So.................I continue to pray for him, because even if my prayers for his conversion go unheeded they will in some way benefit the Church.
Also Ana.....the Blessed Mother did say that the Consecration would be completed, but......it would be LATE.
Michael said..."I do not understand what is happening in the Church, I just know it is not right."
Michael, please don't worry about that. What "is happening in the Church" isn't anything new. Our first Pope, Saint Peter, three times denied Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ selected Judas as a bishop. Judas hanged himself but not before he betrayed Jesus Christ.
Michael, the Church centuries ago was ripped apart by the Arian crisis. There have been numerous periods within the Church when She was all but smashed to pieces. We have had Popes who resigned. We have had Popes who had thrown the Church into utter chaos.
Michael, there were times in Church history that were so bad that they made today's times for the Church seem like a picnic...a day at the beach. Don't worry too much, Michael.
Pax.
Mark Thomas
Wow, the insanity of this papacy just doesn't stop.
Mark Thomas: "Why not chalk it up to a simple case of imprudence by His Holiness Pope Francis?"
If one were to just "chalk up" all the heretical things that Francis did and said, I suppose the whole world could not provide all the chalk that would be needed. Amen.
It's Michael. Thank you Mr. Lamb and Mr. Thomas.
I am worried because my parents taught me to care about others not just myself, spiritually and physically. I know that Judas and Peter were Apostles, my parents use their example all the time to teach us about true repentance and contrition. I may be young but I like to read a lot, especially the Bible. I am aware of current events and what is happening in the church. Many times I can just see with my own eyes in some churches, how people behave, including priests. I know Peter denied Jesus, but he repented, Judas did not, and it seems like there's a lot of Judases and not enough Peter's. I chose St. Nicholas of Myra for my Confirmation patron and I read a little about the Arian crisis. Mostly, I am sad and angry that everything that is good is looked at as discrimination or strange. I am sad that people do not realize how much Jesus loves them and wants them to repent so that they can be in heaven one day, or at least in purgatory. We pray everyday for conversion of sinners. Michael.
It may sound simplistic but it works and it is obvious- the sedes are right!
Frexit! - no, not France, but Francis.
Jorge, whether you want to think of him as Pope or not, is nothing more than a Pimp for the Globalists. He is dragging his flock to the abyss and many still defend him......that is amazing.
Your little tantrum is so childish and lacks charity. Before casting a stone on anyone examine your conscience. It was quite embarrassing to run across this tantrum. It doesn't matter who the pope is the church will prevail. When popes were whoring around and ordering murders of political enemies the church stood strong and rose above it. You should also wash your mouth before you attack Father Benedict. Your post sound so disdainful and angry. Very Christ like right? Let Christ be the judge of the pope and everyone else. After only God will grant us justice.
Did I every say that the Church will not prevail? It most certainly will notwithstanding the reckless, inappropriate opinions, insulting statements, and heretical notions of the occupant of the Chair of Peter.
I often lack charity, but answer me this.
When Our Lord called out the "whitewashed sepulchres" or John the Baptist declared them as "brood of vipers" would you have said the same thing, that they "lacked charity?"
As for Benedict XVI, the fact remains, he had no business leaving us to these wolves. Dante put Celestine in Hell for reason. I love Joseph Ratzinger, he abandoned his children. Fathers do not abandon their children.
Do they, Father?
You might wish to read this!
https://en.denzingerbergoglio.com/this-insidious-worldliness-is-evident-in-a-number-of-attitudes-in-some-people-we-see-an-ostentatious-preoccupation-for-the-liturgy-for-doctrine-and-for-the-churchs-prestige/
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