Tuesday, 5 February 2019

It is full apostasy

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The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings.
Document co-signed by Francis and the "Grand Imam of Al-Azhar" Ahmad Al-Tayyeb

There are those who are twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to defend the words of Bergoglio and the text which he signed with the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar. They will write and say that, "God's "permissive" will is what Bergoglio has referred to here and therefore, everything is just peachy.

No, sorry. Not good enough.

God has permitted these religions but he has not "willed" them. They are the opposite of God. While some may hold a glimmer of truth, none except pre-rabbinical Judaism and Catholicism could ever lay claim to the truth.

Our Lord Jesus Christ. whilst He was on earth said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

Bergoglio has called Jesus Christ a liar.

It is time to call out, no! it is long past time to call out this Bergoglio as an apostate and a heretic. 

We suffer and our bishops are silent.



Johnno said...

From John Paul II the Great, to Francis the Greater.

But I have far more respect for Bergolio the apostate than I ever will for the entire majority of the bishops and cardinals sitting back twiddling their thumbs.

Aqua said...

The heart and soul of our Faith is the historical struggle against the Mohammadan enemies of Christ. A thousand years we fought them. Crusade after glorious Crusade. Civilization itself was born out of the small, happy defensive band led by Don Juan of Austria against the gathered might of the Mohammadan empire, its invading armies and navies gathered at Lepanto, prepared to strike Rome itself; sack the city and take our Pope prisoner.

Conflict between Christ and His enemy. Never ending conflict until Lucifer is bound in chains, (St. Michael defend us!).

We have always known Muslims are our mortal spiritual enemy. Always. Pope Francis' namesake, St. Francis, dared to cross enemy lines to preach and convert the Sultan of Egypt. He brought the Cross of Christ and the saving Gospel necessary for salvation. That is what we do.

Beginning, middle and end: the precious, saving Cross of of our Lord crucified and risen. That is the only thing that matters on this earth. Everything else in life revolves around it like planets in orbit. That is our Catholic message to every "religion", man, woman, child on earth.

Dorota Mosiewicz-Patalas said...

How ridiculous and evil a husband, who showers prostitutes with gifts and praises, while his good and beautiful wife is daily abused and neglected.

Bergoglio seems to me a pope who would rather not hear and speak of Jesus Christ, and would not kneel before Him, while he grovels before worshipers of false gods.

Dan said...

You're right, but try getting an answer to the question as to how this is in ANY WAY coherent with the identity and role that the Church has always claimed for Herself.

Good news is that when the local parish is used as a mosque for weekly services for the local islamic community (sharing and fraternity you know) then nuns will be forced to be veiled again. So as not to offend.

philipjohnson said...

The Bergoglio loves kissing men!!

Catholic Mission said...

Catholic media does not say that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Catholic media when commenting on the "Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together” do not mention how Vatican Council II , the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other magisterial documents affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and that there are no known exceptions.The Church teaches in these magisterial documents that there are only Catholics in Heaven.
They have not mentioned it since they do not believe in it or do not understand it, yet.
Diane Montagna
Diane Montagna at LifeSitesNews does not cite Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.She does not quote the blue passage and mention that the red passage refers to invisible and hypothetical cases and so does not contradict the blue passage.

(BLUE)Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.(BLUE) (RED)Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (RED)...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Instead she cites the red passage as if it refers to known people saved outside the Catholic Church and so contradicts the strict interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation in Ad Gentes 7 ( blue passage).-Lionel

Dan said...

Food for thought and a question to ask your priest -

If all religions are willed by God, was there any real need for Christianity?

Peter Lamb said...

"We have always known Muslims are our mortal spiritual enemy." - true.

But even more dangerous are talmudic jews who are more intelligent and even more hostile. They lead the new world order, of which the novus ordo is merely a part.

Irenaeus said...

... And we will continue to suffer for a while yet. Silence is its own response.

Anonymous said...

Muslims have no military, financial, or media power,
just pawns. We are conditioned by those that have all
the influence not to speak of it.

Anonymous said...

The reason the Mass was mutilated was to make it acceptable to non Catholics, the Papacy will follow,, the two bones of contention with Protestants has always been the Sacrificial aspect of the Mass and the Primacy of the Pope. The other hurdle is devotion to the Virgin Mary, and her Immaculate Conception,their already chipping away at that.

Dan said...

Truly I find this the most horrific public act by any pope EVER.

Some are trying to use pretzel logic to say that Francis only meant "permissive will" but not "will will."

This is absurd logic which no other member of any other faith will folloe.

Francis is fully pushing the new world order masonic agenda which totally contradicts everything the Church has always taught. And these priests, clergy do NOTHING!!

Aaaaagggghhh... I want no part in this... valid sacraments in a new world order masonic monster church??? Really? I'm beginning to wonder.

Trad101 said...

It is likely that PF is a willing and compliant tool of Bilderberger Cardinal Parolin. 'Hey, I'm just following orders!' Didn't Parolin attend a Bilderberger meeting last year, where he likely received his orders to not only compromise common sense but to negate Christian Doctrine and align the Church with its mortal enemies.
Of course I, like the rest of us, can only guess but we can be sure there is a lot of string-pulling going on.

Catholic Mission said...

In Heaven there are only Catholics for Diane Montagna and Fr. John Zuhlsdorf ?
Diane Montagna says Islam and other religions are not paths to salvation (Dominus Iesus) and I agree with her but is she willing to say that in Heaven there are only Catholics and outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation ?
Not likely.
Since she would be confused by Ad Gentes 7 ( invincible ignorance) which she has quoted. 1.
It is the same with Fr. John Zuhlsdorf cited in her report on LifeSitesNews.
They both look at invincible ignorance in isolation as if it is a known person saved outside the Church.She calls it ' a possibility' but for her it would be someone concrete, real and known this year or over the last years.This is her mistake.
There is no one as such known this year, last year or over the last 100 years.
So why mention invincible ignorance with reference to all needing to enter the Church for salvation(Dominus Iesus).
This is a zero case. It does not exist.There is no such person saved in invincible ignorance whom we can know. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
So all need faith and baptism for salvation (AG 7, LG 14) and in Heaven there are only Catholics.
-Lionel Andrades

FEBRUARY 6, 2019
Diane Montagna does not qualify if invincible ignorance is an exception to Ad Gentes 7 saying all need faith and baptism for salvation

Catholic Mission said...

No cardinal or bishop supports the St. Benedict Center. No one is saying that unknown cases of invincible ignorance cannot be objective exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)

When Diane Montagna refers to the possibility of being saved in invincible ignorance she means it in a general abstract way only.Since it can only be general and abstract for me.It cannot be a concrete, known case.There is no known Muslim saved outside the Catholic Church.
Similarly it could be said that there are no cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.There were none this year and none last year. This too is a possibility.
So just referring to a possibility is meaningless since in this case it can only be known to God.
She could have said that all non Catholics need to enter the Church as members with faith and baptism for salvation and there are no exceptions of being saved in invincible ignorance, or the baptism of desire or baptism of blood without the baptism of water.She would be saying all need to enter the Church based on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II, with 'the red not an exception to the blue'.
This would be thinking rationally.
But if she did say this she would be implying that outside the Church there is no known salvation and there are only Catholics in Heaven.
This is the theological and doctrinal position of the St. Benedict Center,New Hampshire, USA.For them according to Vatican Council II ( with the red not being an exception to the blue), all Muslims and other non Catholics with no exceptions are oriented to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF) and the Diocese of Manchester have told Brother Andre Marie MICM the Prior of the St Benedict Center, that he and the other members of the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, cannot legally be called Catholic.
So Fr. Zuhlsdorf whom Diane Montagne has quoted in her LifesitesNews report, prudently says that invisible and unknown cases of invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire and the baptism of blood, are objective exceptions to all needing to be Catholic, to avoid Hell.Possibilites here real people in the present times, for him too.
There is no cardinal or bishop supporting the St. Benedict Center. No one is saying that invincible ignorance is not an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. They do not want to be called Feeneyite and so they appease the Left on Islam.-Lionel Andrades

William Callaghan said...

It's time this blog was closed down, it's a disgrace to the Church

Peter Lamb said...

Tis time to wonder Dan. :)

Aqua said...

@William Callaghan: The kiss of Judas might seem like a friendly gesture, if taken out of context from what it meant to accomplish. It can be a sign of peace, or betrayal.

Similarly, the kiss in the cheek of our Pope upon their Imam, along with the letter of accord, signifies something; and it is profound. And it is not the power of Jesus Christ crucified, risen, reigning to draw all people unto Himself as the Way, Truth, Life; *No man come th to the Father but.by.Me*.

At the name of Jesus every knee must bow, in heaven, on earth, under the earth, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father ... in this life or the next, it will be so. The Muslim god is not God. They are deceived. They must be told, like St. Francis did.

There is no answer to that. Except (of course) "close it down".

Vox Cantoris said...

I couldn’t agree with you more, Bill.

Anonymous said...

An excellent video fron Tradition in Action explaining the Churches new philosophy. Apparently Judas is held in such high esteem Pope Francis has a statue of him hanging from a tree on his desk. That's all I need to know. https://youtu.be/yKtBvs4FUjw

Kathleen1031 said...

This blog is not put out by the Vatican or the pope, the only possible way it could be a "disgrace to the Church". The Church as it is headed by Bergolio is the disgrace, as are the sodomites and heretics and weaklings on the payroll. Perhaps you intended to say that. This blog makes it possible for uninformed folks to wise up and wised up folks to fellowship with a community, most worthwhile. This blog does a tremendous service to those who visit here. God bless our friend Vox and all faithful bloggers.

Vox Cantoris said...

Thank you, Kathleen; and May God bless you.

Kathleen1031 said...

Thank you, and you as well. Sincere thanks for all you do. I would dearly miss this blog and I'm sure many feel that way. We've got so few friends.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

If you want to know how this nonsense got started, read this piece I wrote for "The Remnant."


Moonlight said...

Hello Brothers and Sisters ūüėä is it prudent to consider the Sedevacantist position?

Moonlight said...

Hello Brothers and Sisters, so is it prudent to seriously consider the Sedevacantist position??

Vox Cantoris said...

No, not in the sense that there have been no valid popes since 1958.

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Moonlight,

YES! Sedevacantism is plain, faithful, Catholic TRUTH. An heretic CANNOT BECOME OR REMAIN POPE. Please God you will see this basic Catholic doctrine. Believing that a Pope can teach error makes a LIE of the DOGMA of the INDEFECTIBILITY of the Church; it makes the guidance and protection from error by the Holy Spirit a LIE. ; it makes Christ, who said He would be with His Church until the end of the world a LIAR; it REFUTES HOLY SCRIPTURE - St. Paul said "Let him who teaches a different Gospel be ANATHEMA!!! Sedevacantism is pure, unadulterated, faithful CATHOLICISM. He who is not a Member, CANNOT BE HEAD. Why will so few have the guts to STAND UP FOR THE FAITH? To believe that the Catholic Church can teach error harmful to the salvation of souls, DENIES HER MISSION AND IS HERETICAL!!!