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| Auxiliary Bishop Juan José Pineda of Tegucigalpa shakes hands with Honduras' ousted President Manuel Zelaya (R) inside the Brazilian embassy in Tegucigalpa September 24, 2009. (REUTERS/Edgard Garrido ) |
Former Seminarians Allege Grave Sexual Misconduct by Honduran Bishop Pineda
The testimonies, submitted by former Archdiocese of Tegucigalpa seminarians to a Vatican investigation, reinforce existing concerns about the archdiocesan auxiliary bishop’s conduct.
VATICAN CITY — The Register has obtained the text of two testimonies, submitted by former seminarians to a Vatican investigator, detailing allegations of serious sexual misconduct by Auxiliary Bishop Juan José Pineda Fasquelle of the Archdiocese of Tegucigalpa, Honduras.
The content of the testimonies, along with previously known allegations of sexual misconduct by the bishop and additional information provided to the Register by sources within Honduras, has reinforced widespread existing concerns about the conduct of Bishop Pineda.
These concerns are heightened by the fact that Bishop Pineda has been in charge of the archdiocese since early January, while its archbishop, top papal adviser Cardinal Oscar Andrés Rodriguez Maradiaga of Tegucigalpa, undergoes chemotherapy treatment in Houston, Texas, for prostate cancer.
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33 comments:
The Sunday Fag News : Another Fag Bishop from a Fag Papacy. So predictable; so wearying. Lord Jesus, have mercy on Thy flock.
The 'money'quote: "Cravioto’s room was “right next to the cardinal,” who knew “perfectly well that Pineda spent hours and hours with him and never said anything, never did anything,” according to the Register’s second source in Honduras. Instead, the source said, the cardinal dismissed the bishop’s relationship with Cravioto and “made excuses for it all.” GB
The news is so bad, so consistently. I guess that if I am to retain any faith at all, much longer, I will have to cease reading anything having to do with the hierarchy in the Catholic Church. I will simply do whatever I must to survive, things are so negative.....and worse.
Karl
It's plain and clear to me. They promote each other because they all have "stuff" on each other. Catholics are the dumbest blindest people I have ever seen---except for the sedevacantists.
Seattle kim
Just a moment. Why is the Cardinal receiving medical treatment in the United States? Just who is paying for this? Why not receive treatment in his homeland, or Italy? Strange how these sad men talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.
kim....we all get it....you're jumping yet again, and guess what?; in a couple years you'll do it again and become a buddhist, letting everybody know about it and insulting all your past confreres every step of the way. Do what you're going to do (yet again), but seriously, have a little class and do it quietly, privately, and for God. The fag-hag 'look at me!' behavior hasn't ended; it's just transferred. You're a smart, bright, hurt, disillusioned, betrayed person.....but seriously, at this point, who with a brain and a heart isn't??? You won't find peace in the national religion of Orthodoxy....it'll be pretty, but not peaceful.
Catholics aren't dumb...at least not the real ones who take it all seriously. We see exactly what's going on....faggots and faggotry at every turn of the corridor. We're scourged, mocked, and crucified with Christ, betrayed by our own. We sit in the hull of the boat, watching our beloved Master sleep, and wondering when He will arise and aright the boat. But wondering does no good, only trust, and at last we say, while keeping our eyes firmly trained on the Holy Face,...."To whom would we go?"
Call out the bad guys certainly....that's a fine mess of a target there....but please, for the lova pete....stop the incessant whining and not-so friendly fire, waaaay outside of the real target. There is a difference between the former and the latter, and if you can't see that, then perhaps it's time to quietly go to prayer, in a very serious and directed way.
As to the post matter.....yep...they're nearly all faggots, and they've ALL got something on each other, and nearly ALL of them have lost the Faith....assuming they ever had it in the first place. I think it's a pretty good bet to say that jorge and maradiaga never had it in the first place...obvious plants to try to bring down the Church. If I thought for one second that jorge actually was Peter, then I might quit it all, because there is zero, zilch, NADA of the divinely-promised chrism of the Holy Spirit about that lying, faithless, brigand. Pray for Pope Benedict adn his salvation (he desperataely needs it!), pray for the righting of the Barque, pray for the opening of eyes and the inflaming of hearts, go where the priests are good and the Sacraments are confected well and with respect (that includes and perhaps especially points to the SSPX), give your money wisely and prudently (because the clerical faggots worship mammon second only to butt-secks and the destruction of innocence). We're dealing with a TRULY and literally demonic lot at the top, but didn't Our Lord tell us that we would? Fight them; call them out; mock them and out them; but don't EVER leave Our Lord in the hull, cause sooner or later....He's gonna wake up.
@Susan. BRAVO!
Internal cancers such as those of the prostate and the liver are devastating if not caught early. Even though he is an onerous and odious man, and this kind of behavior is in line with his previous detestable actions, it is a good thing he is getting treatment. Hopefully he is able to have it treated with minimal discomfort. :)
Ms. Kim - Have you considered looking into joining a traditional Catholic order?
Susan! Thank you!!
Amen, Susan!
The Church is a whore, indeed. As is my wife. But, I have been faithful to her and so I shall, with the Catholic Church. To the best of my ability.
Return to her, Kim, or you are just another unfaithful spouse.
Like my wife and the Catholic Church.
She remains Christ's, even though her behavior is outrageously scandalous. Two wrongs don't make a right!!
Karl
The more these sodomites are outed, the more Catholics will have to be aware that they need to keep their boys and young men AWAY from these predators. It does not matter if "he is a family FRIEND", forget friend, he is looking at your boy with lust. These sick men prey on the vulnerable, the boys with no fathers to look after them, no man to show up at the rectory and wring someone's neck for corrupting their sons or grandsons. That is what they want, a fatherless, vulnerable boy, it's been done again and again. Oh he would never do that! Don't be fooled, he WOULD do that, and repeatedly, if he can.
Mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, and all adults reading this, never, never, NEVER, let your sons too near these men, and never alone. Your boy will be so harmed by corruption, they will never be the same. We should all have seen enough, we now see the staggering reality, most of the clergy are sodomites and will sexually molest boys and young men if you give them the opportunity. Predators don't see the sexual molestation as harmful, they see it as "love". That is why it is almost impossible to stop. It is a diabolical obsession.
May God protect all vulnerable boys and young men, and give their parents the wisdom to guard them.
Are we stupid or not?
I can't fully embrace all that the Church teaches. I am unable and probably unwilling to force myself to believe in papal infallibility, against what I clearly see. Bergoglio was elected pope. If Benedict is still pope, why won't he answer us, the poor abandoned beggars?
This is not to say that Catholics are not intelligent. Many have minds much superior to mine. Many have reached a level of virtuousness I can only hope for.
As much as I appreciate those more intelligent and kind than I am, and perhaps due to shortcomings on my part, I can't help but see them as delusional or living in cognitive dissonance, if they DO believe in papal infallibility (ex cathedra on faith and morals, of course).
Bergoglio is the pope. Benedict doesn't deny it. Bergoglio is using his papal authority (very sneakily and deliberately) to undermine the teaching of the Church. He hopes it is permanent. Among thousands and thousands of clergy around the world, there are a few who speak out against it. This is supposed to be Christ's Church? Not even a tenth of our Bishops, probably not a one hundredth stood up and said: NO! But this refusal to do it affects the sheep's immortal souls! We are told that hell is eternal and unimaginably horrific. I can't even imagine eternity, but to think of an eternal damnation in hell?!
And then... we DO know that this is only part of the problem. Bergoglio has been a member of a new religion with hundreds of millions of followers today, probably since his youth. Due to the work of previous generations of (infallible?) popes, priests and laity, we now see a Church, which denies the Words of Jesus Himself - I am the way, the truth and the life. For example, since VII billions of people are allegedly no longer required to believe it, to be saved. WE KNOW that prior to VII the Church taught the opposite. This means a brake from unchanging teaching (any person knows that it is impossible, to change the unchanging; 2+2 does equal 4), a clear denial of God's own words.
This is not about Bergoglio and his army of sodomites, and not about just a footnote.
And if this army of sodomites and pedophiles who teach us false doctrines (they have no right to change one iota, but since they are like pigs - sorry pigs, why would they act like honorable men?) is the hierarchy of the true Christ's Church, how is this possible? How can God, who loves us (which I do not doubt) pick these men to be our shepherds? They are not. They are wolves.
This is why some people doubt the intelligence (more likely - courage) of us gathered here.
I trust God completely. Even though I can't say that popes are infallible, or that our Church today is not teaching many errors, I believe that those of us, who believe in Jesus Christ, and offer Him our lives, will not be condemned to eternal fire. I know this is heretical. Forgive me, if I cause scandal, but isn't it a much greater scandal that a Church-hating heretic is pope, and hardly anyone says it?
You are beginning from a false premise Dorota, and your conclusion(s) from a false premise will always be in error. Benedict has most certainly admitted his intent to bifurcate the papacy (look at blogs nonvenipacem and barnhardt for EXCELLENT, exhaustive evidence and analysis). This invalidates his resignation, as per canon 188....period. Everything bergoglio is doing has as much weight papally as if I were doing it. Benedict is still the only reigning pope. It matters not how many people agree, nor how few bishops actually retain even a drop of testosterone to admit the truth...remember, at one time “The whole world groaned and marveled to find itself Arian”, including nearly the entire episcopacy. It didn't matter how many bishops said that Christ wasn't divine; it didn't matter that the VAST majority of the faithless-'faithful' "accepted the teaching"....Truth isn't a democracy and It doesn't change on a vote...It is a Person; a Divine Person, Who IS reality, and truth, and salvation, and life itself. We either align with Him, or we damn ourselves. It really is that simple.
Now if He made promises about Peter and His Church (and He did); and if He really is Who He said He was (and He is); And if we see things happening today that seem to contradict those promises (and we do); you have only 3 choices before you.....Lord, liar, or lunatic. I think it's pretty clear we can rule out lunatic; Jesus of Nazareth was sober and sharp as a tack. That leaves us with two.
If bergollio is really, legitimatiely, canonically Peter, then, game's up. It's over. It was a nice scam while it lasted , and had a heckofa nice run, but if the man given the keys of the kingdom speaks purposefully against the very words and teachings of the King, then by Christ's own teaching in Mark 3:24-25, He condemns Himself. liar.
cont.....
IF on the other hand, He is Lord and His promises are indeed divine and eternally unchanging, then bergoglio's own actions and words PROVE that he cannot (simply CANNOT) be Peter....then we look backward to see where the break is. And when we do that, it jumps out in plain view. Again I urge you, look at the clear, concise analysis at the 2 above mentioned blogs. Benedict admitted it (a close reading of the resignation shows it)...Ganswein admitted it; Benedict's plan was to bifurcate the papacy. Peter has absolutely NO Power to do that. The papacy as instituted by Christ is not a chimera with 2 heads....it is a single person; it is Peter. Benedict is the only, reigning pope, and also the worst, most wicked pope in all of Church history...that's why I said to pray for him relentlessly and for his salvation. I don't care how much human pressure was placed on him; I don't care what kind of blackmail the sodomite-demons in red hats had on him; he NEVER should have abandoned the flock he accepted as his own. He is still the (abandoning) father, and has invited a lying, illegitimate, filthy rapist into the house to continually rape the Mother and abuse the children. He will have an unimaginable thing to answer for before Christ, because he is still Peter....though silent, culpable, and tragic. My greatest hope is that he dies before begoglio dies, otherwise we will have another uncanonically elected usurper (probably younger, smarter, and more wicked...think Parolin "Peter the Roman") on the Throne.
I tell you, with the solidity of granite, that when you finally drop the desire to hold onto the impossible (that begoglio MUST be the pope because all the other kids say so), and open your eyes to SEE the evidence hiding in clear sight before you, the fuzzy image comes into very sharp focus, and peace beyond imagining floods your soul. I rest calmly in the hull, beside my living, breathing, (sleeping) King, knowing He IS the divine Lord; that His promises are true; and that I do what I can do (which isn't much), but to include SPEAKING THE TRUTH and trying to open a few eyes where I can. Eyes that want to remain tightly shut, remain so. So be it. Our free-will choices all carry consequences; yours...mine...and even a tragic Theoden figure who claims he doesn't wear the (active) crown, when in reality it shines with the brightness of Heaven on his white head. And the angels weep....for us.
Dorota Mosiewicz-Patalas said...
Wonderful thoughts Dorota and spot on. Over at Sparticusblog one comment speaks directly to your point.
wewjudesaid:
March 4, 2018 at 2:18 pm
Sorry to vehemently disagree with you Sam on this point. As a convert (Easter 2002) from Evangelical Protestantism I can tell you from my experience, that Michael nails it (although I am considerably less sanguine than even he is).
Almost no one within the Traditional camps (ie SSPX, Sedevacantists, etc.) seems to fully understand the complete devastation unleashed by NO Catholicism in general and the Francis “papacy” in particular.
I will repeat, until someone in one of those camps can respond to the charge, using clear Thomistic reasoning, that the Catholic Church’s dogmas, (ie Dictatus Papae – 1075 A.D. & Vatican I – 1870 A.D.) on Papal authority and infallibility that “developed” regarding the Papacy over the past 1,000 years, have been shattered!!
The Catholic Church’s self understanding of Herself, as relating to her hyper elevation of the Papacy, is at an existential dead end UNLESS God somehow miraculously intervenes as some private revelations seem to predict (ie the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart) and unties this apparent Gordian knot. Otherwise, the Catholic Church will have no reasonable choice but to eventually “walk back” Her heresies regarding the Papacy and return to the Catholic (and Orthodox) understanding of the Bishop of Rome of the first millenium.
@ susan
But I do not think that Bergoglio is a legitimate pope. He is acknowledged by the world, and by most Catholics, as a legitimate one. Only in this sense have I used this title for the person.
I was born in Poland, and my earliest memory is of a conversation with God. My Father was persecuted by the commies for his faith, I was prepared for First Communion at the age of six (two-three years earlier than my peers), taking grades 1 and 2 both at the same time, and was graded at a 6 on a scale from 1 to 5, where 5 was excellent.
But I had doubts, and talked to God all the time, and thought that He never responded.
When all my friends (including many admitted non-believers) had weddings in Church, I went to a city hall for mine - I refused to insult God by partaking in a holy Sacrament, when I had doubts about Him.
I made my biggest mistakes, because I thought that trying hard to live a virtuous life would be sufficient in raising a child. I thought that it was sufficient to believe that Jesus was a holy man, and to hold Him in the highest esteem as such.
Today I think that I was mistaken. Jesus is God, He is what He says he is.
But I still have doubts. I think it possible that Bergoglio is not the first false Peter. The problems of false ecumenism seem to me more damaging to the Church than the new mass.
I think that our Lord than Jesus' words: I am the way, the truth and the life
are more clear and foundational for our faith than the words He spoke to Peter. One can argue that Peter was in fact the rock, and that the Church was in fact built upon it. One could argue that Jesus knew exactly what would happen to the Church, when He asked, whether He would find any faith on earth, when He returns.
As Jews, so do Catholics and other Christians, readily crucify Jesus, remove Him from places of honor, hide His Cross at a time of the New Age of universal love and happiness.
We crucify Him, because He is the truth, and because His teaching is hard, and it doesn't tickle our ears as the promises of progress and prosperity we hear, do.
We still have churches, but lies are told about Jesus in those buildings. Should I be a Pharisee and insist that as long as legalities seem in order somewhat, lies (contradictions of His Word) told in Christ's Church about Him do not really matter?
I have come to believe that Christ's Church is now in our hearts. Even if we have doubts, and even if we are mistaken, He forgives us, as long as we put our lives in His hands, and repent of our sins, and ask for His forgiveness and guidance.
What is happening in many of our church buildings is an abomination. Bergoglio with his lies and machinations is an abomination. Previous popes prayed with worshipers of false gods in defiance of the only true God, and supported a false unity of religions - for the sake of peace, a peace without Jesus.
Legalities do not matter to me. I was always a doubting Thomas, and God never abandoned me. He used priests and buildings, books and people - I am grateful to everyone - to keep me safe. And even now I am safe. But I may be deluding myself. Please God, don't let me.
https://novusordowatch.org/2018/03/cardinal-karl-lehmann-near-death/#disqus_thread
@ Kathleen 10:31
I completely agree with you regarding keeping all boys away from these predators. 100000% . But how can boys/teen boys receive the sacrament of confession then. From whom and how when they can't be left alone with them, including in the confessional, where the predators can still recognize them?
"I tell you, with the solidity of granite, that when you finally drop the desire to hold onto the impossible (that begoglio MUST be the pope because all the other kids say so), and open your eyes to SEE the evidence hiding in clear sight before you, the fuzzy image comes into very sharp focus, and peace beyond imagining floods your soul."
But does this really bring unimaginable peace? If Pope Francis is an antipope, is it still permissible for me to attend Masses in which the putative imposter is commemorated? I think this would be an objectively schismatic act and personally culpable if I am aware of what is truly going on in the Church. If I acted in accordance with Catholic principles, I should avoid more than 99.9% of so-called "Catholic Churches." This means the end of the sacramental life for the vast majority of Catholics. While this may bring a measure of peace in that my belief system remains intact since the gates of hell have not absolutely prevailed against the Church, it is also true that the gates of hell have robbed me of my priest, bishop, pope, sacraments, and sound doctrine that is actively taught today. It also robs me of my psychological health since most people become psychologically maladjusted when away for long periods of time from a community that supports their value systems. And forget about normal raising of a family in such a strange situation. In such a situation where practically all in the Catholic Church are corrupted by schism or heresy, I would be tempted to take my chances in the Orthodox Church, which, give the alternatives, could be more pleasing to God (arguble material schism and heresy and all) than all the remaining Catholics in the insitutional Catholic Church. In order to avoid this, one must leave the status of Pope Francis to God and keep preserving the traditional Catholic Faith. Sedevacantism only leads to Eastern Orthodoxy.
Reading the blogs and comments... all I can say is this b*stard Francis has done what he wanted, which is to make a mess of things. He is destroying the Church.
Jolly good comments. All touch on some Catholic truth; All miss some, or other basic Catholic truth, or doctrine. None are fully Catholic = confusion expressed by all.
Can you blame us, Peter? Nobody (except dead Popes, reposed saints, and deceased theologians) teaches us. Can one except any better when laity are bereft of sound teaching by the Church Militant? The Church was never meant to operate according to the knowledge of lay people. And, therein, lies the dead end of sedevacantism. It makes the well-formed Catholic proud of his knowledge that enables him to stand above the rest of the ignorant flock (the sin of pride no doubt), without lifting a finger to really assist others with the church structure that Catholics have always needed to preserve the Faith. If the sedevacantist cannot provide this structure, at least he or she should be the most tolerant of all since knowing the depth of apostasy and the necessity of the Church, he or she would should recognize the reasons Catholics say what they say. In this context, saying that the gates of hell have not prevailed against the Church is about as comforting as saying that the recently deceased avoided the second and fearful coming of Christ. Just as these deceased faced their own experience of Christ's Second Coming on their death, if the sedevacantist is right, the Church experienced by millions of Catholics has already been overcome by the gates of hell. Given the circumstances, a little less pride would seem warranted.
how come Maradiago is still around? Wasn't he implicated in stealing millions from his diocese or something like that?
Or you can come to the conclusion that these heretical sodomites are NOT the Catholic Church.
https://www.thesedevacantistdelusion.com/
Seattle kim
Dear Adam, No pride here, just perhaps a bit of desperation. Dead Popes, reposed saints, and deceased theologians, Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition teach us all we need to know. Sound catechesis is freely available to those who care to learn it. The Church does not and never has operated according to the knowledge of lay people. The canons are there precisely to guide lay people as are all of the above sources - if only all lay people would heed them. The sedevacantist faithfully does precisely that and you call him proud and sinful for doing so?! What nonsense, dear fellow!
" if the sedevacantist is right, the Church experienced by millions of Catholics has already been overcome by the gates of hell." Adams, let's get a few basics right. Our lord Himself promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against His Church. Even to suggest that they have is blasphemy. What you need to understand is that the NWO church is NOT the Catholic Church. It is a new judeo-masonic false church. It is the gates of hell - heresies taught by heretics. Until you can understand and accept this obvious fact, you will bump from pillar to post endlessly. The barque of Christ cannot also be the barque of satan. Nothing can be its opposite at the same time. The Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth. Is the NWO church a pillar of truth? The Bride of Christ is spotless. Is the NWO church spotless? The Catholic Church is Infallible and Indefectible. Is the NWO church Infallible and Indefectible?
If "the Church experienced by millions of Catholics has already been overcome by the gates of hell",then it should be obvious to you Adam that the church you speak of is NOT the Catholic Church. Not so?
Sedevacantists are no more than truly traditional Catholics who practice the Catholic Faith as it always has been and always will be. They do not consort with heretics and their evil church - they let them be anathema as Holy Scripture admonishes them to do.
Let's run through some of the comments briefly:
"Another Fag Bishop from a Fag Papacy."
Absolutely. We know about the selection for fags in the seminaries. Bella Dodd etc. Brilliant, intentional, satanic strategy to create the "paedophilia scandal" which has caused many to abandon the Faith.
"I guess that if I am to retain any faith at all, much longer, I will have to cease reading anything having to do with the hierarchy in the Catholic Church."
Yes, by all means stop reading about the NWO church - which is not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church CANNOT teach anything harmful to the salvation of souls. If it scandalizes you, it is NOT Catholic!
"We sit in the hull of the boat, watching our beloved Master sleep, and wondering when He will arise and aright the boat. But wondering does no good, only trust, and at last we say, while keeping our eyes firmly trained on the Holy Face,...."To whom would we go?"
Absolutely, but in the boat of Christ not the NWO boat of satan.
"obvious plants to try to bring down the Church." Absolutely. Well documented judeo-masonic invasion - we know all about it.
"If I thought for one second that jorge actually was Peter," I'm glad you don't think that jorge is Pope. The Church teaches emphatically that an heretic cannot be Pope.
" We're dealing with a TRULY and literally demonic lot at the top, but didn't Our Lord tell us that we would?" Indeed he did. The "operation of Error" to separate the Believers from the Unbelievers. Remember the hull of Christ is not the hull of satan. Get into the right hull.
"The Church is a whore," No dear Karl, she is the spotless Bride of Christ. The NWO church is the whore of satan.
"I can't fully embrace all that the Church teaches." You must dear Dorota, or you are not Catholic. The Catholic Faith must be embraced in its entirety, or not at all.
" I can't help but see them as delusional or living in cognitive dissonance, if they DO believe in papal infallibility (ex cathedra on faith and morals, of course)."
Vatican I has confirmed the dogma of Papal Infalibility concernin Faith and Morals. There is a very prevalent misconception that Infalibility only applies to the Solemn Magisterium. It applies equally to the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium. The former is simply part of the latter. Discipline and canonizations are Infallible.
"Bergoglio is the pope." He might be pope materialiter in that his designation and election were valid in terms of canon law, although he was not eligible for election as an heretic. This is purely a matter of canon law and it awaits final resolution by canon lawyers in the future. He is without doubt not Pope formaliter. He was automatically excommunicated by Divine law, the day he committed the sin of heresy.
"Bergoglio has been a member of a new religion " Exactly! Remember this fact always.
" we now see a Church, which denies the Words of Jesus Himself" Yes we do. It is called the NWO church.
" WE KNOW that prior to VII the Church taught the opposite. This means a brake from unchanging teaching (any person knows that it is impossible, to change the unchanging; 2+2 does equal 4), a clear denial of God's own words." Exactly. So you have proved that the NWO church is NOT the Catholic Church.
" And if this army of sodomites and pedophiles who teach us false doctrines (they have no right to change one iota, but since they are like pigs - sorry pigs, why would they act like honorable men?) is the hierarchy of the true Christ's Church, how is this possible?" It is not possible. They are NOT hierarchy of Christ's true Church. Christ's Church CANNOT teach error, or harm.
" Even though I can't say that popes are infallible, or that our Church today is not teaching many errors," Christ is the Head of His Church. It cannot therefore teach error. Christ is Truth. He cannot teach error. The Church is the spotless Bride of Christ. The NWO church is NOT the Catholic Church.
" Benedict is still the only reigning pope." Benedict is an heretic as are all the conciliar "popes" and cannot therefore be Popes formaliter.
" It didn't matter how many bishops said that Christ wasn't divine; it didn't matter that the VAST majority of the faithless-'faithful' "accepted the teaching"....Truth isn't a democracy and It doesn't change on a vote...It is a Person; a Divine Person, Who IS reality, and truth, and salvation, and life itself. We either align with Him, or we damn ourselves. It really is that simple." This is Catholic truth in a nutshell.
"Now if He made promises about Peter and His Church (and He did); and if He really is Who He said He was (and He is); And if we see things happening today that seem to contradict those promises (and we do); you have only [1] choice before you -let them who preach a different Gospel be anathema.
"IF on the other hand, He is Lord and His promises are indeed divine and eternally unchanging, then bergoglio's own actions and words PROVE that he cannot (simply CANNOT) be Peter." AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!
"open your eyes to SEE the evidence hiding in clear sight before you, the fuzzy image comes into very sharp focus, and peace beyond imagining floods your soul." AMEN.
" the Catholic Church’s dogmas, (ie Dictatus Papae – 1075 A.D. & Vatican I – 1870 A.D.) on Papal authority and infallibility that “developed” regarding the Papacy over the past 1,000 years, have been shattered!!' Indeed they have not! The NWO "popes" are not Popes formaliter and the NWO church is not the Catholic Church. To aver that Catholic dogma can be "shattered" is blasphemy and a denial of Christ!
"the Catholic Church will have no reasonable choice but to eventually “walk back” Her heresies regarding the Papacy" This is heresy most foul.
"But I do not think that Bergoglio is a legitimate pope. He is acknowledged by the world, and by most Catholics, as a legitimate one." Even if all the world, including the clergy of Rome, acknowledge an heretic as Pope, He is NOT Pope formaliter - see Cum Apostolatus Officio.
" I think it possible that Bergoglio is not the first false Peter." He is not. All the conciliar heretics are false.
"I have come to believe that Christ's Church is now in our hearts. Even if we have doubts, and even if we are mistaken, He forgives us, as long as we put our lives in His hands, and repent of our sins, and ask for His forgiveness and guidance.atholic truth! We are the Church - not bricks and mortar. Christ's Church is in our hearts. Dorota you are a lovely, lovely lady of high intelligence who will lead your daughter to heaven.
" If Pope Francis is an antipope, is it still permissible for me to attend Masses in which the putative imposter is commemorated? I think this would be an objectively schismatic act and personally culpable if I am aware of what is truly going on in the Church." Yes, it is a schismatic act and you would be culpable.
" If I acted in accordance with Catholic principles, I should avoid more than 99.9% of so-called "Catholic Churches." Yes you should. You MUST act in accordance with Catholic principles always.
"This means the end of the sacramental life for the vast majority of Catholics." Indeed it does. Our Lady warned us that the Blessed Sacrament would disappear from our altars. What to do? Get a DVD of the unsullied Tridentine Mass, or watch live webcasts from St. Gertrudes. Make daily Spiritual Communion. Many souls have reached great holiness through Spiritual Communion - St. Leonard of Port Maurice.
" it is also true that the gates of hell have robbed me of my priest, bishop, pope, sacraments, and sound doctrine" Indeed they have. Become virtual members of St. Gertrudes parish and lead a faithful Catholic, peaceful, untroubled Catholic life with your family.
"Sedevacantism only leads to Eastern Orthodoxy." Nothing could be further from the truth. Sedevacantism is nothing more than pure, unadulterated Catholicism - the Faith of our Fathers. God bless you Adam. :)
"Dear Adam, No pride here, just perhaps a bit of desperation. Dead Popes, reposed saints, and deceased theologians, Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition teach us all we need to know. Sound catechesis is freely available to those who care to learn it. The Church does not and never has operated according to the knowledge of lay people. The canons are there precisely to guide lay people as are all of the above sources - if only all lay people would heed them."
The Church is a perfect, juridical society, and that includes hierarchical leadership and enforcement of canonical discipline, the teaching of Catholic doctrine, and the administration of the Church's sacraments. When this hierarchical leadership is non-existent for many people, one cannot assume that the Faith will be inviolately preserved. Not only does this ignore the complexities of canon law (the plethora of pre-Vatican II commentaries on canon law attest to this complexity), it risks rendering unnecessary the Church's magisterium and the importance of sacramental grace in preserving the Catholic Faith. This does not mean that God does not aid individuals with the actual graces necessary to preserve the Faith in difficult situations. However, it does mean that salvation and the necessary profession of the true Faith are much more difficult in such settings. Sedevacantists must recognize this or risk falling into a Protestant mindset that reduces the Church's teaching to individuals alone with their Catholic books (instead of only the Bible, like the Protestants). This recognition, in turn, should result in sedevacantists exercising more patience and Christian tolerance for those who err in current circumstances rather than their accustomed harshness with the erring.
“The sedevacantist faithfully does precisely that and you call him proud and sinful for doing so?! What nonsense, dear fellow!"
No, Peter, I am not calling you or other sedevacantists proud or sinful for adhering to the traditional Catholic Faith. However, I did detect a sense of pride in your comment and I have noticed a bad spirit of pride around other sedevacantists who use their personal orthodoxy to belittle others for lacking their clarity of doctrine (a view, which as I explained above, fails to appreciate the importance of the Church's hierarchical and sacramental nature in preserving the Catholic Faith). I apologize for any offense.
"let's get a few basics right. Our lord Himself promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against His Church. Even to suggest that they have is blasphemy."
I did not say that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic Church. However, according to sedevacantists, the local Catholic churches in practically all the world were overcome by the gates of hell. That was my point. This results in the lived experience of most Catholics being no different than if the whole Church apostatized (even though it did not). How is staying home and using pre-1958 Catholic material to learn a Faith that has disappeared from almost all the world practically different than any variety of "confessional" Protestants who do the same with a previous version of their Faith before it was corrupted by modernism? I know that this is essentially different since one perpetuates the heresies of men, while the other preserves the Holy Catholic Faith. Nevertheless, they follow an almost identical modus operandi, with all the spiritual and psychological strain that comes from this manner of living.
Regarding the connection of sedevacantism and Eastern Orthodoxy – the realities of sedevacantism require thoughtful individuals to re-evaluate the past, present, and future of Eastern Orthodoxy. Given that all institutions in communion with Rome in 1958 became corrupted by Modernism, Orthodoxy’s non-Catholic status spared her the depths of depravity into which almost all Catholics fell. This causes one to see a type of providence in the Great Schism of 1054. Also, since sedevacantists deny that more than 98% of the Catholic Church lacks a valid priesthood, episcopacy, and ecclesiastical structures while also believing that Russia (which contains the majority of Orthodox Christians) will one day convert to Catholicism, it does not require much thought to conclude that the Catholic Church of the future will be the future converted Orthodox Church of today. Seeing this, one can see why moving to Orthodoxy and tweaking slightly an understanding of some things would be tempting.
Dear Adam,
Please excuse my delayed response. I haven"t touched sides the last few days.
"When this hierarchical leadership is non-existent for many people, one cannot assume that the Faith will be inviolately preserved."
I disagree. All of the aids I mentioned above are ever available. There are valid clergy available, although in short supply, operating by supplied jurisdiction. The internet affords instant, world wide communication.
"This does not mean that God does not aid individuals with the actual graces necessary to preserve the Faith in difficult situations."
Exactly.
"... the necessary profession of the true Faith are much more difficult in such settings."
In a sense, yes, but on the other hand, no. Faithful adherence and complete loyalty to the immutable Faith can be practiced anywhere, even alone. God does not expect that which is impossible for us to do. If there is no Priest available to us, then that's the way it is. Attending an invalid mass, presided over by an invalid priest, helps naught - in fact it is very detrimental to one's salvation.
Sedevacantists are the ones who truly suffer the difficulties and tribulations of our situation in practice - not having Priests available etc. We know how it is and we know how to handle the situation in a truly Catholic manner.
The acrimony between groups of Catholics is a great tragedy. It flows both ways. I have been called an heretic and protestant often. When the shepherd is struck, the sheep will scatter. Our Unity is in the Pope and when there is no Pope formaliter, this disunity may be expected.
I sometimes cave to exasperation. Mea maxima culpa! Vatican I, Popes, Saints, theologians clearly state that any formal, public, heretic suffers automatic excommunication upon committing the sin of heresy against Divine law. This is Catholicism for grade I. He who is not a Member, cannot be Head. Yet, how many Catholics stubbornly, mindlessly, intransigently continue to recognize the publicly heretical conciliar "popes" as true Popes, thus affording them their power?
"I did not say that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic Church. However, according to sedevacantists, the local Catholic churches in practically all the world were overcome by the gates of hell."
There is a bit of confusion here Adam. The new world order church is not the Catholic Church. Do not confuse the two. Indeed, the gates of hell will never prevail against the Catholic Church. Those "Catholic churches" you refer to are no longer Catholic Churches. They are now novus ordo churches. They are now the gates of hell. Formerly they used to be Catholic Churches, now they are not.
" Nevertheless, they follow an almost identical modus operandi, with all the spiritual and psychological strain that comes from this manner of living."
No Adam, they do not. Protestantism is false and heretical; Catholicism is Truth. A Catholic living his Faith under difficult circumstances, is joyful and at peace. The greater the difficulty, the greater the sense of fulfillment.
"Seeing this, one can see why moving to Orthodoxy and tweaking slightly an understanding of some things would be tempting."
The orthodox are schismatics. Joining them would be jumping out of the pot into the fire. There is no tweaking of the Catholic Faith. It is infallible and indefectible; It is accepted in its entirety, or not at all.
I think you are a good Catholic Adam and once you recognize the fact that the NWO church has nothing to do with the Catholic Church, as Christ has nothing with belial, you will make a happy sedevacantist. :)
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