“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.” ― St. Antony the Great
Notice how almost all countries are implementing the same protocols regarding covid-19. That is because they have all signed a accord with the WHO. A whistle blower inside the WHO has exposed, unbeknownst to all, that Bill Gates nonprofit foundation GAVI is now running the WHO. This means that Bill Gates, whose parents were eugenists and his father who was the leader of Planned parenthood, the same organization that sells baby parts for research into vaccinations, is now dictating to you and yours that you have to be vaccinated. Where are our church leaders on this obomination?
This is a very helpful video, Vox. I especially like where the priest said, whatever your inclination is, engage the arguments for the opposite point of view first.
Some questions I have regarding this conversation: Where does obedience fit into this? The Saints also emphasized this over private judgement. Also if people are not in a state of Grace wont that throw their reason off?
Answer to jim norwood. Your church leaders are telling you it's a moral obligation for you to receive the vaccine full stop. Regardless of the facts that it contains aborted baby cells, other harmful ingredients, and does not prevent you from getting, transmitting or dying of CCCP virus, nor will people get to stop wearing masks, social distancing, or home confinement. They (churchmen) have sold their souls to Satan and now they are doing their very best to present as many other souls as possible to him.
'Obedience' is not obligated when your superior is clearly in the wrong, demands you to sin, or is being deceitful and demanding you risk your life in a completely unnecessary manner.
It is possible that Priest for Life has simply been ordered to put out a propaganda piece, and I'd advise them that if they are so willing to butcher and ignore the science for the sake of public feelings and authoritative fallacy, then they are no better than abortionist and only undermine their own cause. In fact they are behaving like the worst abortionist alike those in China where it can be forced. At least for now, western women are not dragged by their hair by government authorities to kill someone.
The stupidity of this whole thing is so obvious that I suspect government itself is being set up and everyone bandwagoning with it that they will altogether be discredited and usher in a revolution that will see the populations line the streets with the bodies of not only politicians and officials, but Catholic priests for being part of the operation. The next pope will probably deserve all the stones, arrows and bullets coming his way, or he is suffering the effects of whoever preceded him.
If I picked this up at this website and it's a repeat, I apologize. Great speaker who reveals the BS. Basically the MSM and three letter agencies buried effective Covid TX because Emergency Use Authorizations can only be given if there is no effect treatment. Ivermectin is evidently a very safe dug that is very effective against viruses in general including COVID. They suppressed this because they want vaccines and Rserevioir (sp)
Conscience is formed by the teaching of the Church. All that nonsense in the NO Cathecism of JP2 is modernist claptrap. Don’t forget Newman was a convert from Anglicanism.
Nope. This is protestant theology. What happened to "Peter has spoken"? It is an attack on Christ's Divine promise, and therefore of His Divinity itself. He has promised that His Vicar will not lead people into mortal error. We are twisting ourselves into pretzels, ignoring the obvious that Bergoglio is not the pope.
It certainly is not. I do not need to submit to the Roman Pontiff if he is wrong. He is not God. You are using protestant theology elevating a man to the place of God. This is novus ordo mentality the same as moving Christ from the tabernacle at the apex and putting their the exalted chair of man.
No, no, a thousand times, no! I will not submit to evil.
You can debate whether Bergoglio is pope or not. You Sedes are the ones twisted in a pretzel. You give Jack Chick cause to be correct, you elevate the pope to godlike status. THAT IS NOT CATHOLIC!
Any more of this and the comments WILL NOT be published.
HOA ! This "senior" did her research bub! We use H2O2 nebulized with NSS as a frontline killer for respiratory viruses including covid ! Also, we have the phone numbers for the Frontline Docs to call at first symptoms. Ivermectin and Palquinol (Hydroxychloroquin) are both first symptom related line of defense to stop any rapid reproduction that takes place in the lungs ! We also have a pulse ox to read O2 levels in the blood........as far as the conscience is concerned, I did NOT stand and pray and get spit on in front of abortion clinics to become a cannibal in a child sacrifice offering to Molleck! It IS as simple as that Father. Read .."Rapid Virus Recovery " Read .."Hydrogen Peroxide Medical Miracle" by Dr Douglass II and many many sites that give the truth about the therapy and it's usages. SEE all the Integrative Medical Doctors and Clinics who use this therapy online. See online the Japanese Ministry of Health that approves and advocates for this therapy even here in the United States.
In his letter to the Ephesians the apostle teaches that Christ established [the] ecclesiastical power for the benefit of unity. And what is this unity unless one person is placed in charge of the whole Church who protects it and joins all its members in the one profession of faith and unites them in the one bond of love and communion? The wisdom of the Divine Lawgiver ordered that a visible head be placed over a visible body so that “once so established, the opportunity for division might be removed.” (Pope Gregory XVI, Encyclical Commissum Divinitus, n. 10)
If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema. (First Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus; Denz. 1831.)
[Papal authority] is a real binding authority which demands as its correlative effect a duty, not simply of reverence, but of obedience in the strict sense of the term. The primacy, then, is worlds apart from any mere function of a presiding officer over his associates or confreres. Such an officer is merely an equal among equals and has primacy over the others only insofar as he directs the order to be followed in debating, voting, etc. Neither is the primacy of the pope simply an office of direction, for the notion of direction connotes counsel and persuasion rather than the exercise of genuine authority. (Mgr. Gerard van Noort, Dogmatic Theology II: Christ’s Church [Westminster, MD: The Newman Press, 1957], p. 280)
To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment, and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation. Thus, it is an absolute necessity for the simple faithful to submit in mind and heart to their own pastors, and for the latter to submit with them to the Head and Supreme Pastor. In this subordination and dependence lie the order and life of the Church; in it is to be found the indispensable condition of well-being and good government. On the contrary, if it should happen that those who have no right to do so should attribute authority to themselves, if they presume to become judges and teachers, if inferiors in the government of the universal Church attempt or try to exert an influence different from that of the supreme authority, there follows a reversal of the true order, many minds are thrown into confusion, and souls leave the right path. (Pope Leo XIII, Apostolic Letter Epistola Tua)
Indeed one simple way to keep men professing Catholic truth is to maintain their communion with and obedience to the Roman Pontiff. For it is impossible for a man ever to reject any portion of the Catholic faith without abandoning the authority of the Roman Church. In this authority, the unalterable teaching office of this faith lives on. It was set up by the divine Redeemer and, consequently, the tradition from the Apostles has always been preserved. So it has been a common characteristic both of the ancient heretics and of the more recent Protestants — whose disunity in all their other tenets is so great — to attack the authority of the Apostolic See. But never at any time were they able by any artifice or exertion to make this See tolerate even a single one of their errors.(Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Nostis et Nobiscum, nn. 16-17)Union with the Roman See of Peter is ... always the public criterion of a Catholic…. “You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach that the faith of Rome is to be held”.(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum, n. 13)Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.(Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302; Nor can we pass over in silence the audacity of those who, not enduring sound doctrine, contend that “without sin and without any sacrifice of the Catholic profession assent and obedience may be refused to those judgments and decrees of the Apostolic See, whose object is declared to concern the Church's general good and her rights and discipline, so only it does not touch the dogmata of faith and morals.” But no one can be found not clearly and distinctly to see and understand how grievously this is opposed to the Catholic dogmaof the full power given from God by Christ our Lord Himself to the Roman Pontiff of feeding, ruling and guiding the Universal Church.(Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quanta Cura, n. 5;
Refusal of submission to the Pope, however, constitutes schism, and, if it is denied that a Catholic must submit to the Pope, then it is heresy as well (seeDenz. 1831Denzinger 469: “… But this authority, although it is given to man and is exercised by man, is not human, but rather divine, and has been given by the divine Word to Peter himself and to his successors in him, whom the Lord acknowledged an established rock, when he said to Peter himself: “Whatsoever you shall bind” etc. [ Matt. 16:19]. Therefore, “whosoever resists this power so ordained by God, resists the order of God” [cf.Rom. 13:2], unless as a Manichaean he imagines that there are two beginnings, which we judge false and heretical, because, as Moses testifies, not “in the beginnings” but “in the beginning God created the heaven and earth” [cf. Gen. 1:1]. Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
I'm right behind you regarding the vaccine. I will not take it either for at least a dozen reasons. We might well have very good reason to greatly lament these vaccines in the future. Remember this whole covid farce is political - not medical.
No one must obey an unlawful evil command. All agree on this point. But in the Catholic Church, there is one man who, assisted by the Holy Ghost, has the authority from Christ Himself to define what is good and what is evil. When he defines this, it is binding on the faithful. That man is the Pope, the Supreme Pontiff. Bergoglio has proclaimed that this vax is morally acceptable. Therefore, those who believe that the vax was immoral due to its proximity to abortion must now keep their concerns private. There should be no more public opposition to what the “Holy Father” has decreed. Bergoglio has also hinted that it is a moral obligation to get the death vax. If this is the case then refusal to submit to the “Holy Father’s” command could be schismatic. See quotes provided by Peter Lamb. Vox, I am with you. I am not getting this shot. It is immoral in my opinion. It is also experimental. There is not enough data on long term effects.
In my view, you are making a great distortion of papal authority. It is an abuse of the First Vatican Council and its papal infallibility. Sedes make the same mistake as Protestants - that the Pope farts frankincense and therefore I must bow down and a kiss on his stinking foot. Never, the only feet I kiss or the image of Christ's on His Cross and my wife's.
The Pope can only bind me on matters of faith and morals and then if he is not out of Tradition. He is not a scientist, a doctor and has no competence to advise or recommend on this matter. In fact, he should bemoan that nobody has developed one ethically produced!
Now, give me a protein vaccine for CCP Virus, ethically produced and tested and I will consider taking it. Until then, NO!
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Is there any COVID vaccine that is not compromised by the use of fetal cells?
Not as of yet.
Give me an old fashioned protein vaccine, morally developed and fully tested and I will gladly consider it.
Notice how almost all countries are implementing the same protocols regarding covid-19. That is because they have all signed a accord with the WHO. A whistle blower inside the WHO has exposed, unbeknownst to all, that Bill Gates nonprofit foundation GAVI is now running the WHO. This means that Bill Gates, whose parents were eugenists and his father who was the leader of Planned parenthood, the same organization that sells baby parts for research into vaccinations, is now dictating to you and yours that you have to be vaccinated. Where are our church leaders on this obomination?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
Get yourselves some Ivermectin - the jab is not for your health.
This is a very helpful video, Vox. I especially like where the priest said, whatever your inclination is, engage the arguments for the opposite point of view first.
Some questions I have regarding this conversation: Where does obedience fit into this? The Saints also emphasized this over private judgement. Also if people are not in a state of Grace wont that throw their reason off?
Learning
Answer to jim norwood. Your church leaders are telling you it's a moral obligation for you to receive the vaccine full stop. Regardless of the facts that it contains aborted baby cells, other harmful ingredients, and does not prevent you from getting, transmitting or dying of CCCP virus, nor will people get to stop wearing masks, social distancing, or home confinement. They (churchmen) have sold their souls to Satan and now they are doing their very best to present as many other souls as possible to him.
'Obedience' is not obligated when your superior is clearly in the wrong, demands you to sin, or is being deceitful and demanding you risk your life in a completely unnecessary manner.
It is possible that Priest for Life has simply been ordered to put out a propaganda piece, and I'd advise them that if they are so willing to butcher and ignore the science for the sake of public feelings and authoritative fallacy, then they are no better than abortionist and only undermine their own cause. In fact they are behaving like the worst abortionist alike those in China where it can be forced. At least for now, western women are not dragged by their hair by government authorities to kill someone.
The stupidity of this whole thing is so obvious that I suspect government itself is being set up and everyone bandwagoning with it that they will altogether be discredited and usher in a revolution that will see the populations line the streets with the bodies of not only politicians and officials, but Catholic priests for being part of the operation. The next pope will probably deserve all the stones, arrows and bullets coming his way, or he is suffering the effects of whoever preceded him.
If I picked this up at this website and it's a repeat, I apologize.
Great speaker who reveals the BS. Basically the MSM and three letter agencies buried effective Covid TX because Emergency Use Authorizations can only be given if there is no effect treatment. Ivermectin is evidently a very safe dug that is very effective against viruses in general including COVID. They suppressed this because they want vaccines and Rserevioir (sp)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL5gUeQvxr/
Learning
Ivermectin and cod liver oil for vitamin D - like your Mom used to give you. Q.E.D.
Conscience is formed by the teaching of the Church. All that nonsense in the NO Cathecism of JP2 is modernist claptrap. Don’t forget Newman was a convert from Anglicanism.
Tom A.
Using your logic I should take the experimental China Virus injection because the Church through its Pope, CDF and my Cardinal say so. No, sorry.
Using your logic, nobody not born and baptised a Catholic is worthy.
St. John Henry Newman, pray for us.
Nope. This is protestant theology. What happened to "Peter has spoken"? It is an attack on Christ's Divine promise, and therefore of His Divinity itself. He has promised that His Vicar will not lead people into mortal error. We are twisting ourselves into pretzels, ignoring the obvious that Bergoglio is not the pope.
It certainly is not. I do not need to submit to the Roman Pontiff if he is wrong. He is not God. You are using protestant theology elevating a man to the place of God. This is novus ordo mentality the same as moving Christ from the tabernacle at the apex and putting their the exalted chair of man.
No, no, a thousand times, no! I will not submit to evil.
You can debate whether Bergoglio is pope or not. You Sedes are the ones twisted in a pretzel. You give Jack Chick cause to be correct, you elevate the pope to godlike status. THAT IS NOT CATHOLIC!
Any more of this and the comments WILL NOT be published.
STICK TO THE ISSUE AND DON'T TRY MY PATIENCE.
Vox, if you find that your conscience is not aligned with that of the Church, there is only one conclusion. You are not in that Church.
HOA !
This "senior" did her research bub!
We use H2O2 nebulized with NSS as a frontline killer for respiratory viruses including covid ! Also, we have the phone numbers for the Frontline Docs to call at first symptoms. Ivermectin and Palquinol (Hydroxychloroquin) are both first symptom related line of defense to stop any rapid reproduction that takes place in the lungs !
We also have a pulse ox to read O2 levels in the blood........as far as the conscience is concerned, I did NOT stand and pray and get spit on in front of abortion clinics to become a cannibal in a child sacrifice offering to Molleck! It IS as simple as that Father.
Read .."Rapid Virus Recovery "
Read .."Hydrogen Peroxide Medical Miracle" by Dr Douglass II
and many many sites that give the truth about the therapy and it's usages.
SEE all the Integrative Medical Doctors and Clinics who use this therapy online. See online the Japanese Ministry of Health that approves and advocates for this therapy even here in the United States.
In his letter to the Ephesians the apostle teaches that Christ established [the] ecclesiastical power for the benefit of unity. And what is this unity unless one person is placed in charge of the whole Church who protects it and joins all its members in the one profession of faith and unites them in the one bond of love and communion? The wisdom of the Divine Lawgiver ordered that a visible head be placed over a visible body so that “once so established, the opportunity for division might be removed.”
(Pope Gregory XVI, Encyclical Commissum Divinitus, n. 10)
If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema.
(First Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus; Denz. 1831.)
[Papal authority] is a real binding authority which demands as its correlative effect a duty, not simply of reverence, but of obedience in the strict sense of the term. The primacy, then, is worlds apart from any mere function of a presiding officer over his associates or confreres. Such an officer is merely an equal among equals and has primacy over the others only insofar as he directs the order to be followed in debating, voting, etc. Neither is the primacy of the pope simply an office of direction, for the notion of direction connotes counsel and persuasion rather than the exercise of genuine authority.
(Mgr. Gerard van Noort, Dogmatic Theology II: Christ’s Church [Westminster, MD: The Newman Press, 1957], p. 280)
To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment, and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation. Thus, it is an absolute necessity for the simple faithful to submit in mind and heart to their own pastors, and for the latter to submit with them to the Head and Supreme Pastor. In this subordination and dependence lie the order and life of the Church; in it is to be found the indispensable condition of well-being and good government. On the contrary, if it should happen that those who have no right to do so should attribute authority to themselves, if they presume to become judges and teachers, if inferiors in the government of the universal Church attempt or try to exert an influence different from that of the supreme authority, there follows a reversal of the true order, many minds are thrown into confusion, and souls leave the right path.
(Pope Leo XIII, Apostolic Letter Epistola Tua)
Indeed one simple way to keep men professing Catholic truth is to maintain their communion with and obedience to the Roman Pontiff. For it is impossible for a man ever to reject any portion of the Catholic faith without abandoning the authority of the Roman Church. In this authority, the unalterable teaching office of this faith lives on. It was set up by the divine Redeemer and, consequently, the tradition from the Apostles has always been preserved. So it has been a common characteristic both of the ancient heretics and of the more recent Protestants — whose disunity in all their other tenets is so great — to attack the authority of the Apostolic See. But never at any time were they able by any artifice or exertion to make this See tolerate even a single one of their errors.(Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Nostis et Nobiscum, nn. 16-17)Union with the Roman See of Peter is ... always the public criterion of a Catholic…. “You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach that the faith of Rome is to be held”.(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum, n. 13)Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.(Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302; Nor can we pass over in silence the audacity of those who, not enduring sound doctrine, contend that “without sin and without any sacrifice of the Catholic profession assent and obedience may be refused to those judgments and decrees of the Apostolic See, whose object is declared to concern the Church's general good and her rights and discipline, so only it does not touch the dogmata of faith and morals.” But no one can be found not clearly and distinctly to see and understand how grievously this is opposed to the Catholic dogmaof the full power given from God by Christ our Lord Himself to the Roman Pontiff of feeding, ruling and guiding the Universal Church.(Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quanta Cura, n. 5;
Refusal of submission to the Pope, however, constitutes schism, and, if it is denied that a Catholic must submit to the Pope, then it is heresy as well (seeDenz. 1831Denzinger 469: “… But this authority, although it is given to man and is exercised by man, is not human, but rather divine, and has been given by the divine Word to Peter himself and to his successors in him, whom the Lord acknowledged an established rock, when he said to Peter himself: “Whatsoever you shall bind” etc. [ Matt. 16:19]. Therefore, “whosoever resists this power so ordained by God, resists the order of God” [cf.Rom. 13:2], unless as a Manichaean he imagines that there are two beginnings, which we judge false and heretical, because, as Moses testifies, not “in the beginnings” but “in the beginning God created the heaven and earth” [cf. Gen. 1:1]. Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
No pope, even if he be Pius X can compel me to take this.
If so, he would be devil!
LOL. Dear Vox,
I'm right behind you regarding the vaccine. I will not take it either for at least a dozen reasons. We might well have very good reason to greatly lament these vaccines in the future. Remember this whole covid farce is political - not medical.
VOX,,,,,You are correct.
No one must obey an unlawful evil command. All agree on this point. But in the Catholic Church, there is one man who, assisted by the Holy Ghost, has the authority from Christ Himself to define what is good and what is evil. When he defines this, it is binding on the faithful. That man is the Pope, the Supreme Pontiff. Bergoglio has proclaimed that this vax is morally acceptable. Therefore, those who believe that the vax was immoral due to its proximity to abortion must now keep their concerns private. There should be no more public opposition to what the “Holy Father” has decreed. Bergoglio has also hinted that it is a moral obligation to get the death vax. If this is the case then refusal to submit to the “Holy Father’s” command could be schismatic. See quotes provided by Peter Lamb. Vox, I am with you. I am not getting this shot. It is immoral in my opinion. It is also experimental. There is not enough data on long term effects.
Tom, Peter;
In my view, you are making a great distortion of papal authority. It is an abuse of the First Vatican Council and its papal infallibility. Sedes make the same mistake as Protestants - that the Pope farts frankincense and therefore I must bow down and a kiss on his stinking foot. Never, the only feet I kiss or the image of Christ's on His Cross and my wife's.
The Pope can only bind me on matters of faith and morals and then if he is not out of Tradition. He is not a scientist, a doctor and has no competence to advise or recommend on this matter. In fact, he should bemoan that nobody has developed one ethically produced!
Now, give me a protein vaccine for CCP Virus, ethically produced and tested and I will consider taking it. Until then, NO!
Vox, please post this article for your readers:
https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine
Great resource:
https://nojabforme.info/
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