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Wednesday, 27 April 2016

SSPX is coming home soon - whether some like it or not!

Reports have now reached the main-stream Catholic media that it is possible or even likely that the Society of St. Pius X will be reconciled with no conditions.

Of course there should be no conditions. They are already Catholic!

The suspension of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre back in the 1970's was unjust. It was a disgraceful and scandalous action on the part of Paul VI and those around him. 

Whether or not the later excommunication was just or not at this point is moot. Archbishop Lefebvre is no longer "excommunicated" he is dead. On his deathbed, he received Extreme Unction. Presumably it was administered by a priest of the Society. In that case, that priest had Faculties due to "danger of death." If the excommunication was unjust, he had no sin. If it was just, then his "sin" whatever it was, was absolved. If he, in his mind, believed that he was acting in a true "emergency," his excommunication was indeed, unjust and he was right.

The fact is, at this point, it is done. They were revoked by our Pope, Benedict XVI.

The "illegality" of the traditional Mass was itself "illegal." This was confirmed as well, by Benedict XVI in Summorum Pontificum.

May it happen soon.

In Toronto, Transfiguration Chapel has already had to add a third Sunday Mass and they are only two kilometers from The Oratory where two Masses Read and Solemn are celebrated each Sunday. After the funeral of Father Stephen Somerville, at which I was privileged to assist (as well as the late Father Nicholas Gruner's). A few years ago, I assisted there regularly on Sundays and Feast Days in the Schola at a time when I was between positions as a Choir Director or Cantor. 

I asked where the people were coming from causing the addition of the third Mass. Some came from typical parishes who have read and discovered the truth that was denied them and some from the existing Sunday Masses at the Oratory, St. Lawrence the Martyr and St. Patrick's in Schomberg and the various Feast Day Masses organised by the hard-working Toronto Traditional Mass Society - Una Voce Toronto. Some came from the Hamilton Diocese, Oakville, Burlington and north. People were looking "for all of it" according to Father. A parish that embraced the traditional liturgy completely. 

I assure you, if this reconciliation happens, there won't be enough hours available for the Masses that will be needed to accommodate the people who will flock there. 

Anyone who does not welcome this overdue structural recognition and mocks this great gift and these long-suffering abused brothers and sisters has a twisted view of the Catholic faith and displays a contempt for truth and justice. People calling them, and probably you, dear reader, as a "Katholic Krazy" or that they are a "Trojan Horse." For those who think this way I have this message, "the horse has already been inside the gates and you've drunken from its breast."

For others still, there will be a lot of crow to eat.


33 comments:

Oakes Spalding said...

Why do you think Francis might do this, let alone do it with no conditions?

Mark Thomas said...

Vox, it would be ridiculous to refer to the SSPX as "Katholic Krazy". The SSPX is Catholic. In 2009 A.D., Pope Benedict XVI said the following in regard to the SSPX:

"I think for example of the 491 priests. We cannot know how mixed their motives may be. All the same, I do not think that they would have chosen the priesthood if, alongside various distorted and unhealthy elements, they did not have a love for Christ and a desire to proclaim him and, with him, the living God."

There have been "distorted and unhealthy elements" within the Church since Her beginning. I believe that some of those elements left the SSPX when the "Resistance" was formed. Should Rome and the SSPX reach an "agreement", some priests, along with some laity attached to the Society, will leave. I would think that by then, the bulk of the SSPX's unhealthy elements would have vacated the Society. That would be fine.

The bottom line is that the majority of the Society's priests and seminarians love Jesus Christ and His True Church. The overall soundness of the Society has been attested to by Apostolic Visitors to the Society.

On September 1, 2015 A.D., His Holiness Pope Francis identified the laity attached to the SSPX as "faithful" Catholics. Pope Francis also noted that day that the SSPX's "good faith and sacramental practice."

There isn't any question that the SSPX is Catholic. The overall situation within the Society is holy and sound. That is why Catholics attach themselves to SSPX chapels.

It is unfortunate and anti-Catholic to refer to the SSPX as "Katholic Krazy". As various Churchmen, such as Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider, have noted, the "regularization" of the SSPX would be of great benefit to Holy Mother Church.

Why would any Catholic label holy Catholics as "Katholic Krazy"?

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Sandpiper said...

Let the restoration of the Church begin! I, for one am joyous. My Novus Ordo diocese is dead and the liturgies deformed. Its "social justice outreach" is just another non-official arm of the Democratic Party. It coddles sodomites. It's schools do not transmit the Faith. I cry tears of joy.

Vox Cantoris said...

Oakes Spalding said...
Why do you think Francis might do this, let alone do it with no conditions?

Oakes, I have no idea.

Who would have thought he would grant them Faculties? which of course they would argue that they already have.

Vox Cantoris said...

Mark, I think those opposed to any reconciliation have already left.

Brian said...

Vox

This is wonderful...can't wait. No conditions? Does this mean that Bishop Fellay won't have to go grovelling, "biretta" in hand, to the local Ordinaries for permission for his priests to offer Holy Mass? Get ready for an awful backlash from the conciliar harpies, especially, if the numbers, at SSPX chapels, increase like you predict.

Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum.

Vox Cantoris said...

It depends Brian. If it is a Personal Prelature such as Opus Dei, I think he would still need permission to open a "Parish" since those are under the jurisdiction of the Ordinary. If it is some form of
Diocese such as the Ordinariate, well then, the local Ordinary can go fish or better!

Then again, with Francis, who the heck really knows.

Ana Milan said...

They will need to be able to side-step NO Bishops and open parishes in order to be available to those of us pleading for years for TLM, schools etc. I hope they don't settle for less - they have kept Tradition alive, but then I don't believe PF is doing this out of kindness & mercy. He has some trick up his sleeve like embracing schismatic Lutherans & pagans in the same breath. They very much need our prayers just now.

Peter Lamb said...

I'm an outsider, but an analogy comes to my mind that would not comfort me, if I were an insider:
Let's say Bergoglio = Hitler; NWO church = Nazi Party: SSPX = the Resistance and Archbishop Lefebvre = the Leader of the Resistance.
The Leader has often warned the Resistance about the Nazis:

“It is impossible for Rome to remain indefinitely outside Tradition. It’s impossible… For the moment they are in rupture with their predecessors. This is impossible. They are no longer in the Catholic Church.” (Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône)

“We believe we can affirm, purely by internal and external criticism of Vatican II, i.e. by analysing the texts and studying the Council’s ins and outs, that by turning its back on tradition and breaking with the Church of the past, it is a schismatic council.” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

“We consider as null…all the post-conciliar reforms, and all the acts of Rome accomplished in this impiety.” (Joint Declaration with Bishop de Castro Mayer following Assisi, December 2, 1986)

“Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends. Rome is in apostasy. These are not words in the air. It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy… They have left the Church… This is sure, sure, sure.” (Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône)

John Paul II “now continually diffuses the principles of a false religion, which has for its result a general apostasy.” (Preface to Giulio Tam’s Osservatore Romano 1990, contributed by the Archbishop just three weeks before his death)

“The Church which affirms such errors is both schismatic and heretical. This Conciliar Church is therefore not Catholic.” (July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)

“To whatever extent pope, bishops, priests or faithful adhere to this new Church, they separate themselves from the Catholic Church.”
(July 29, 1976, Reflections on the Suspension a divinis)

“The See of Peter and the posts of authority in Rome being occupied by antichrists, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below (…) This is what has brought down upon our heads persecution by the Rome of the antichrists.” (Letter to the future bishops, 29 August 1987)

“If it happened that the pope was no longer the servant of the truth, he would no longer be pope.” (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976, before a crowd of some 12,000)

That is just a taster. There are many more such quotes of the Leader in his clear warning to the Partisans, who are Catholic, (except in their doctrine on the Papacy), that the Nazis are their enemy.
Now Hitler has opened his arms wide in welcome to embrace the Partisans, (who for some reason have always sought recognition from him and who have always continued to pray with him). It seems that the Partisans will be delighted to be back "home" - in the Party, marching behind the swastika, under the Fuhrer. However, I'm sure they will still want to be called Partisans and not Nazis. Problem is - I'm just too dumb to get it!
"Come into my parlor", said the spider .....No, No, NO! It can't be that!

Mark Thomas said...

Vox Cantoris said..."Mark, I think those opposed to any reconciliation have already left."

Vox, that is good news. Thank you.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Brian said...

Vox

Personal Prelature or Ordinariate?

Then I hope that it is the Ordinariate. No doubt many bishops would be furious. The Fraternity must have complete freedom of movement. You know, that given the opportunity, some bishops will do everything in their power to prevent the SSPX from flourishing, as many have hindered our TLM, post Summorum Pontificum. If an Ordinariate is established, can you just imagine the pastoral letters that will go out from many chancery offices. Something like the following......

"...yes the Holy Father has given faculties to the SSPX, but I want to remind the faithful of this diocese that the SSPX represents an outmoded ecclesiology, that is frozen in the 1950s. The Second Vatican Council, was a new spring time that brought our Church into the modern world, bearing gifts of liturgical renewal, tolerance, acceptance..." yada yada yada

Anonymous said...

Brian,

I laughed out loud at your pastoral letter there. That is EXACTLY what most dioceses would say if/when the SSPX gets an Ordinariate. Certainly the ones around here. I can't wait to see their faces, and those of all the neo-Catholics when the SSPX parishes start outgrowing every regular parish in the diocese.

Osusanna said...

One large plate of crow please, for the pastor at my church who warned us they weren't Catholic.

Happy heart, can't wait.

Karl Rahner Jr. said...

If it happens without conditions it will be a shocking admission by the hierarchy that all their worship of Vatican II was misplaced and wrong.

Anonymous said...

My only worry is how will the SSPX survive in a liberal archdiocese, like that of Chicago under Blaise Cupich? There is only one SSPX church in that area. I fear it would be crushed if the SSPX were to come home.

Karl Rahner Jr. said...

Oops, guess what the price is of recognition! Submission to a modernist, semi-heretical Pope. Imagine how long this recognition will last - a few days perhaps?

Tony La Rosa said...

Coming home?

Vox, if by "home" you mean the Catholic Church, then the SSPX has been "home" since its foundation. But if they get regularized by Modernist Rome, then they would have gone astray and joined the Conciliar Church.

"It is, therefore, a strict duty for every priest wanting to remain Catholic to separate himself from this Conciliar Church for as long as it does not rediscover the Tradition of the Church and of the Catholic Faith."
(Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Spiritual Journey)

By placing themselves under Modernist Rome, the SSPX leadership have betrayed the work and memory of their founder. Shame on them!


TLM said...

Exactly Karl!! I don't trust this whole thing!! God forgive me, I don't trust Pope Francis!!

And BTW, Anonymous @ 9:42 pm........I am IN the Archdiocese of Chicago! But, we are very close to Wisconsin, so it may be feasible to hop on over there because at least + Listecki is better than Blaze Cupich!!

Michael Dowd said...

I see no upside for SSPX in a formal reconciliation with Rome. They should continue the informal reconciliation. Why say this? Pope Francis is a Machiavellian operator who would only make this move to bring SSPX under obedience to him. Pope Francis has been the enemy of traditional Catholics from day one so why would he be doing anything to promote more traditional converts. Consequently, formalizing the SSPX relationship has to be for the purpose of control and eventual elimination. As far as SSPX gaining substantially more members, this is not likely. We already have FSSP parishes and services to serve this need. Any gain by SSPX would be marginal. Another point is most Bishops would probably not be friendly towards them particularly if they didn't have control. Anyway, I think SSPX should enjoy their current de facto arrangement of legitimacy and not become de jure.

Sybok said...

what to do when the gnostic/liberal lutherans come into communion as well this fall? (true lutherans, like the conservative ones in america LCMS and WELS, will never surrender)

SSPX full communion (btw back when things were sane I never supported them) is part of the syncretist vision of bergolio and his gnostic friends to make sure there is no resistance left to their new order, so take in SSPX and any orthodox catholics left will be told that even the reactionaries are with us, you have no ground to stand on. plus its a divide and conquer strategy. split sspx and the most extreme of critics begin to devour themselves.

Capt. Morgan said...

Perhaps the Holy Ghost is giving us a refuge.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you, Ana. The NO monasteries and seminaries are empty, and the ones that have lots of vocations are more conservative.

The SSPX, on the other hand, has numerous vocations and seminarians, large families who homeschool, people who generously give their time, talents and treasure (some tithe) to the chapels they attend etc.

To paraphrase Cassandra in the Iliad: Beware of Romans bearing gifts.

Margaret

Mark Thomas said...

Let me get this straight.

1. The SSPX "will be reconciled with no conditions" attached.

2. The SSPX says that "the time to normalize the situation of the society has come".

3. The Vatican has been "gradually lowering its demands and recent proposals, no longer speak of recognizing neither the Second Vatican Council nor the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo Missae."

4. The SSPX will be placed in a protective shell that will guarantee its autonomy from liberal bishops.

5. The SSPX will receive from Rome everything that the Society has long desired.

6. After having received everything that they've ever desired from Rome, the SSPX will turn on itself, fracture, then die.

Really? There are people who believe that? Really?

Again, let me get this straight. The Society, with nobody but themselves had experienced a fractured. Bishop Williamson is gone. As Vox pointed out earlier in this thread, "...those opposed to any reconciliation have already left."

The troublemakers have left the Society. The Society will obtain from Rome everything that the Society had desired.

But for some bizarre reason, after having purged itself of troublemakers and received from Rome everything that the Society has desired, the SSPX will rip itself apart and whither.

Again...really? Sorry, but some of you have put forth a preposterous, irrational scenario.

As Vox noted in his post, Catholics will flock...they will flood into the Society as soon as the SSPX is regularized. The SSPX will prosper in holy fashion. Waves of Catholics will embrace the TLM and Holy Tradition via the SSPX. But then, the SSPX will, for some bizarre reason, incur vicious in-fighting and division?

Nope...not going to happen. Vox is correct. Many Catholics hunger for Holy Tradition and, in turn, will turn to the SSPX in waves as soon as the SSPX is regularized.

Also, as Bishop Fellay has noted, there are Cardinals and bishops who favor the SSPX and are eager to work with the SSPX as soon the Society is granted regularized status. Bishop Fellay has said that there are bishops who desire to turn their seminarians over to the SSPX for priestly formation.

Sorry, but I don't believe for a second that the SSPX will incur division and death.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Michael Dowd said...

Mark Thomas:

Do you think Pope Francis can be trusted? Do you think Pope Francis is prepared to look benignly on rigorous by-the-book Catholics who actually believe and practice what they preach? So far common sense would say NO to these questions. SSPX's posture towards the Vatican should be friendly but remain at a safe distance like it is right now.

Mark Thomas said...

Michael Dowd said..."Do you think Pope Francis can be trusted? Do you think Pope Francis is prepared to look benignly on rigorous by-the-book Catholics who actually believe and practice what they preach? So far common sense would say NO to these questions. SSPX's posture towards the Vatican should be friendly but remain at a safe distance like it is right now."

Can the SSPX be trusted?

Certain people here have claimed that within a regularized SSPX, in-fighting would soon explode within the Society, the in-fighting would be so vicious that the SSPX would smash itself into a million pieces, then die.

If that is the true picture of the SSPX, then the SSPX cannot be trusted. Do not worry about Rome as the real problem is the SSPX itself, that is, if certain folks here are correct.

Let us explore the reality of what certain pro=SSPX folks here have said.

The SSPX will be regularized as they are. All the talk about the SSPX having to "accept" Vatican II, the New Mass, etc., has ended. The SSPX will receive a protect shell that will allow them to work freely throughout the Church.

Okay...

However, after having received everything...everything...everything from Rome that the Society has ever "demanded", the SSPX will soon afterward erupt into vicious in-fighting. The SSPX will then fracture and die.

That is the horrific portrait that some of you have painted of the SSPX. If you are correct, then the following is undeniable:

The SSPX is filled...filled with vicious, unstable people. These people are, at this very second, divided hopelessly. Now, after decades of having waited for freedom to arrive, that is, the freedom to operate freely and 100 percent as they are, the SSPX will destroy itself via vicious infighting and division.

That is what some of you have said of the SSPX. Do you really believe your scenario? Really?

Well, if you do, then what you have actually done is to have acknowledged that the SSPX is unstable to begin with...and filled with vicious people.

If what you have predicted about a regularized SSPX is correct, then it is beyond doubt that the problem is with the SSPX, not Rome. Something is wrong, horrifically so, with the SSPX.

If you people are accurate, then nobody can possibly blame Bishop Williamson and others who bolted the SSPX to form the Resistance. What they claim about the SSPX is 100 percent correct...if you are correct.

Bishop Williamson and others who have left the SSPX are very intelligent people...if you people are correct about the SSPX. Anybody who doesn't leave the SSPX this second will have made a major mistake.

Some of you folks had better consider seriously the true meaning of your bleak, gloom and doom forecast of the SSPX's impending division and death. You have actually indicted the SSPX.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

Vox-permitting, to add please to my previous post...

I once again support Vox's view of the SSPX. Once regularized, waves and waves of Catholics who have hungered for the TLM and Holy Tradition will flood SSPX chapels.

The Society has long documented that if not for the SSPX's irregular status, many Catholics would otherwise have attached themselves to the SSPX. Many Catholics are leery of the "irregular" status, but are ready to attach themselves to the regularized SSPX.

The SSPX has also noted that there are Cardinals and bishops who, as soon as the SSPX is regularized, intend to embrace the SSPX. There are bishops who desire to turn their seminarians over to the SSPX to be trained in the ways of Holy Tradition.

The troublemakers and unstable folks have abandoned the SSPX. During the past several years, following the lifting of the excommunications and the beginning of serious discussions with Rome, the troublemakers labeled Bishop Fellay a "modernist", "sellout", then departed the SSPX.

Not surprisingly, the troublemakers have turned on each other as they have initiated infighting within their resistance group(s). Incredibly, for many Super Trads, even Bishop Williamson is to be viewed as a "modernist"...they've turned on him.

The troublemakers are gone. Waves of Catholics, including Cardinals, bishops, priests, and religious, are poised to work with the SSPX upon the Society's regularization from Rome.

Therefore, why would anybody believe that a regularized SSPX would erupt into division? .

-- Many Catholics are poised to flood into SSPX chapels/parishes.

-- Cardinals and bishops are poised to cooperate happily with the SSPX.

-- Priests and religious are poised to cooperate with the SSPX.

-- The SSPX will be placed into a protective shell that will guarantee the SSPX's freedom to operate throughout the world.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Brian said...

Mark Thomas said.....

"The SSPX has also noted that there are Cardinals and bishops who, as soon as the SSPX is regularized, intend to embrace the SSPX. There are bishops who desire to turn their seminarians over to the SSPX to be trained in the ways of Holy Tradition."

Mark: I sure hope that your are correct, but that sounds too good to be true. Where have all these Cardinals and bishops been with, say, the FSSP over the last 28 years? They sure did not embrace that Fraternity. What was stopping these bishops from turning over their seminarians to the FSSP "to be trained in the Ways of Holy Tradition"? With the SSPX, as you know, you get liturgical and doctrinal continuity, neither of which you will find with the bishops, who continue to drink the conciliar hemlock. I think that the increased support for the SSPX will come, from the laity, as the word spreads, and, to some extent, tradition friendly priests.

Mark Thomas said...

Brian said..."Mark: I sure hope that your are correct, but that sounds too good to be true. Where have all these Cardinals and bishops been with, say, the FSSP over the last 28 years? They sure did not embrace that Fraternity. What was stopping these bishops from turning over their seminarians to the FSSP "to be trained in the Ways of Holy Tradition"?"

Brian, your questions are great. By the way, as insightful as you are obviously, I wouldn't want to attempt to slip something past you. You are formidable (I mean that in the very positive sense).

Brian, please understand that I lack the intelligence to figure out on my own such things as I had mentioned in my earlier post. I pay attention to learned people...people in the know...in this case, such men as Vox and Bishop Fellay.

Vox, for example, noted in this post that Catholics are turning to the SSPX and, obviously, more will follow for as Vox noted, "I assure you, if this reconciliation happens, there won't be enough hours available for the Masses that will be needed to accommodate the people who will flock there."

The SSPX has long noted that many Catholics have informed them that upon regularization, they will turn to the SSPX. Over the years, I have heard and read from many Catholics that they are leery to approach the "irregular" SSPX, but would bolt to the SSPX should Rome regularize the SSPX.
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About the FSSP, Cardinals and bishops, and seminarians...

Brian, there are many FSSP-friendly bishops. The FSSP conducts workshops to train priests who wish to learn and offer the TLM. In my diocese, our seminarians have explored and assisted at Masses offered by our diocese's FSSP parish. From where it began to its flourishing existence today, the FSSP would not have come this far without the friendship of various bishops.

There are Cardinals and bishops who have spoken well of the SSPX and look forward to the SSPX's regularization. There are many examples of bishops who have cooperated with the "irregular" SSPX to offer Masses in their (the bishops) churches.

On September 1, 2015 A.D., His Holiness Pope Francis noted of the SSPX that from "various quarters, several Brother Bishops have told me of their good faith and sacramental practice..."

Therefore, Pope Francis has acknowledged that "many bishops" from "various quarters" of the Church have praised the SSPX. Imagine the cooperation that the regularized SSPX will receive from said bishops.
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Bishop Fellay...friendly bishops...2009 A.D.:

http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/pope-francis-sspxs-confessions-valid-and-licit-10330

Mershon: "You have spoken in the past about some bishops, cardinals and maybe even Curia members, who are friendly to the SSPX and its cause. Can you name them or give us a clue as to who they are and how many?"

Bp. Fellay: "The situation of the Church, once again, is such that we cannot give any names. It would make life too difficult or unbearable for these churchmen. We certainly meet with more sympathy with some bishops. But as long as they do not declare it themselves publicly, it is not prudent for us to say anything."

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

Brian, I appreciate the opportunity to discuss things with you. You are very keen.

Brian, I would also propose the following to in regard to the SSPX and the positives that the SSPX's regularization would generate.

Interest in the TLM continues to increase among Catholics. More and more each day...each year...discover and embrace the TLM and Holy Tradition. In that regard, the SSPX continues to expand. That brings us to the following reality: As long as humans populate and govern the Church, money will matter.

The Novus Ordo parishes in my supposedly "flourishing" diocese beg constantly for money. Diocesan Sunday Mass attendance has fallen to about 17 percent and continue to decrease. As a result, one parish after another is in dire need of financial assistance.

Conversely, our FSSP parish continues to expand with Catholics and others who hunger for the TLM and Holy Tradition. Our FSSP parish (the church building) has become obsolete. We require a large church. Actually, there is sufficient interest here in the TLM that we require additional TLM-only parishes.

Unfortunately, our bishop has been keen to confine us to our "ghetto". He has refused to permit the FSSP/TLM to expand in our diocese. Now, this is where the regularized SSPX would enter the picture.

The regularized SSPX with its protect shell would be free to establish a parish or parishes here. We know that more and more Catholics are embracing the TLM. That is true within my diocese.

The SSPX, unlike the FSSP, will be free to establish a parish (or parishes) that will fill with worshipers who will include parishioners from nearby Novus Ordo parishes.

Parishes that are drained financially cannot possibly remain idle as the SSPX siphons their (Novus Ordo) parishes. With the outbound parishioners goes much-needed money.

Guess what Novus Ordo parishes who are losing worshipers to SSPX parishes will do? You know...,the Novus Ordo parishes will offer TLMs to retain and expand its monetary bases. That is plain reality. Money matters. Even if its not what they desire, bishops will be forced to expand the TLM.

Imagine if Rome establishes a TLM Ordinariate. Bishops then would be forced absolutely to promote the TLM. Bishops need the money. Sorry to say that.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Anonymous said...

I think it's wishful thinking to believe that, if the SSPX gets regularized, Catholics will be flocking to their chapels.

To be sure, some Catholics will feel emancipated from their present plight and run to SSPX venues, but this number will not be huge.

The Catholics who are serious about the matter have already opted for the SSPX.

The majority of Catholics are simply not interested.

Eventually, of course, when God decides to right things, everyone, at least of the Roman Rite, will be like the SSPX.

DJR

Mark Thomas said...

DJR said..."I think it's wishful thinking to believe that, if the SSPX gets regularized, Catholics will be flocking to their chapels. To be sure, some Catholics will feel emancipated from their present plight and run to SSPX venues, but this number will not be huge. The majority of Catholics are simply not interested."

DJR, I agree with you. The majority of (Latin) Catholics don't want any part of the TLM or any Mass in Latin. The majority aren't interested in the SSPX, FSSP, etc.

However, a sufficient amount of Catholics will attach themselves to the SSPX which, in turn, will enable the Society to open and maintain parishes. The FSSP, ICKSP, etc., have achieved holy success without having received a great deal of interest from the Faithful.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Anonymous said...

For over 40 years we have pleaded with our Bishops in the deep south of the United States for the Traditional Mass and Sacraments of the Church and they have allowed only one Mass (and only the Sacrament of The Holy Eucharist) only one sunday per month in hard-to-reach and out-of-the-way modern churches.
The Bishops have snickered as the faithful Traditionalist community has "wandered in the desert" for 40 years searching for a home parish.
Alas, finally some vindication. The new seminary in Virginia is overflowing with great vocations of super motivated and saintly young men "chomping-at-the-bit" to become Traditionalist priests.

Thanks Be To God for the Vindication of the Traditionalists. Mrs. Muggeridge is smiling down from Heaven at this.

Anonymous said...

May God's will for SSPX be done. Let us remember, if they return they will be under full obedience to the Pope. They will have to accept changes as directed. That could include dispensing with the order as it exists today.