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This one in particular is important.
http://voxcantor.blogspot.ca/2016/01/cardinal-zen-calls-out-francis-parolin.html
I was amazed how few picked up on this plan and Cardinal Zen's pleading.
There can be no defense for Bergoglio and Parolin's latest move. This can only be described as satanic.
God convert them, or take them and judge them for this evil.
CHINA – VATICAN
The Vatican asks legitimate bishops to step aside in favour of illegitimate ones
Last December, Mgr Peter Zhuang Jianjian of Shantou (Guangdong) was forced to go to Beijing where "a foreign prelate" from the Vatican asked him to leave his see to illicit bishop Joseph Huang Bingzhang. He had received the same request last October. Mgr Joseph Guo Xijin, ordinary bishop of Mindong, is expected to become the auxiliary or coadjutor of illicit Bishop Vincent Zhan Silu. Sinicizing the Chinese Church means supporting the principle of independence and follow the leadership of the Communist Party.
 
Guangzhou (AsiaNews) – The Holy See has asked Bishop Peter Zhuang Jianjian of Shantou in southern Guangdong province to retire in order to give way to an excommunicated bishop while another Vatican-appointed bishop was asked to downgrade himself as the assistant of an illicit bishop.
This is the second time in three months that the Holy See made the resignation demand on Bishop Zhuang, who was secretly ordained in 2006 with Vatican approval. However, he is only recognized as priest by the Chinese government, which on the other hand is in full support of the excommunicated Bishop Huang Bingzhang, a long-time member in the National People’s Congress, China’s parliament.
A letter dated 26 October demanded the 88-year-old bishop to resign to give way to the excommunicated bishop, whom the Holy See is going to recognize. “Bishop Zhuang at that time refused to obey and rather ‘carry His Cross’ for being disobedience,” a church source in Guangdong who asked not to be named told Asia News.
In the latest incident, Bishop Zhuang was escorted to Beijing 18-22 December from his southern diocese to meet some senior officials from the central government and a delegation from the Vatican, according to the church source.
Before the trip, the officials began to monitor Bishop Zhuang on 11 December. Even knowing the bishop was not in good health and the weather was freezing in Beijing, they rejected his demand not to go to northern China but sent a doctor along. A total of seven local government officials went along with Bishop Zhuang but no priest was allowed to follow him, the source said.
Staying at the Huguosi Hotel in Beijing, Bishop Zhuang was taken to sightseeing on 19 December and then to the headquarters of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association (CCPA) and the bishops’ conference the next day, where he met with Bishops Ma Yinglin, Shen Bin and Guo Jincai, the president, vice president and secretary general of the bishops’ conference respectively, the source continued.
The CCPA and bishops’ conference, as well as Ma and Guo, two illicit bishops, are not yet recognized by the Holy See.
On 21 December, Bishop Zhuang was taken to the Diaoyutai State Guesthouse. He was first greeted by three officials from the State Administration for Religious Affairs. Then he was led by Fr Huang Baoguo, a Chinese priest who is serving at the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, to meet with a foreign bishop and three foreign priests from the Vatican.
Since China and the Vatican resumed official contact in 2014, Archbishop Claudio Maria Celli, a veteran in China Church affairs, is known to be responsible for the negotiations and has been in China several times for this purpose. It is believed the prelate whom Bishop Zhuang met is Archbishop Celli.
The foreign bishop explained the aim of their travel to China was to do something in order to reach understanding with the Chinese government, and that is to let Bishop Huang to become the legitimate bishop of the diocese, the source said.
The Holy See delegation demanded Bishop Zhuang to retire just as what was in the letter dated Oct 26 but with one addition term seems to console the elderly bishop, and that is, he could nominate three priests for Bishop Huang to pick one as his vicar general, the source continued.
“Bishop Zhuang could not help his tears on hearing the demand,” the source said, adding that “it was meaningless to appoint a vicar general, who is still a priest that Bishop Huang could remove him anytime.”
Some bishops in southern China opposed the idea of hastily recognizing Bishop Huang, who was officially excommunicated by the Holy See in 2011 when he accepted illicit episcopal ordination without papal mandate. One of the bishops who asked not to be named told Asia News that the Vatican has asked for their opinions. “I did not know the outcome, but this is a bad solution,” he said.
AsiaNews also asked the Vatican for confirmation of the situation in Shantou. A representative familiar with the China dossier said that the letter Mgr Zhuang received was just a request for opinion on the illicit bishop Mgr Huang. Another figure has been silent. Card Joseph Zen, bishop emeritus of Hong Kong, confirmed the information obtained by AsiaNews.
The Mindong affair
While Bishop Zhuang was summoned to freezing Beijing, the Vatican delegation reportedly went southward to eastern Fujian province to meet with Bishop Vincent Zhan Silu, one of the seven illicit bishops awaiting the Vatican to recognize.
Local sources said Bishop Joseph Guo Xijin, the ordinary bishop of Mindong belonging to the underground community, was asked to downgrade himself as assistant of Bishop Zhan, with one of the sayings was that he has to downgrade to become a coadjutor bishop.
One of the sources said, signing a document to accept “voluntary” downgrading himself as the coadjutor bishop was also one of the conditions the government officials put forward to Bishop Guo in order to recognize him when he was under one-month detention before the Holy Week in 2017.
Bishop Zhan declined to confirm the meeting or disclose details about his recognition progress with the Holy See. He only told Asia News that the Vatican and Chinese officials have regular meetings regarding the negotiations.
An underground priest in Mindong said he did not know about the Vatican delegation’s visit. “We of course feel hard to accept but do we have the rights to oppose the Vatican?” he said, but adding that if thing goes that way, “I may consider to quit and leave my priesthood.”
Though the news of downgrading the status of a bishop seems extraordinary or unbelievable in the universal Church, it is not surprising in China. For last October, General Secretary Xi Jinping’s work report in the opening session of the 19th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party called for “new approaches” adopted for works related to ethnic and religious affairs.
An earlier article on Qiushi, a top-level journal on Communist theory run by the Party’s Central Committee, published on 15 September also carried the title “Theory and Innovative Practice on Religious Work since the 18th National Congress of the CPC” in 2012.
Though without clear elaboration on what will be the innovative practice to the Catholic Church, the CCPA and the bishops’ conference have passed a five-year plan to “sinicize” the Catholic Church on 14 December. The direction of “Sinicization of religion” is a term first mentioned by Xi Jinping in the Central United Front Work Meeting in 2015. The gist is to demand all religions to uphold an independent principle and followed the leadership of the Community Party.
For the Holy See to recognize seven illicit bishops (originally eight but one died in 2017), among whom Bishop Huang and two others were publicly excommunicated by the Holy See, is part of the thorny issues to resolve in China-Vatican negotiations. In exchange, China would have to recognize about 20 bishop candidates appointed by the Holy See, with some even secretly ordained already, for the open Church community in recent years, as well as close to 40 bishops in the underground community.
According to an article by Cardinal John Tong in 2017, the core problem to be resolved in closed-door negotiations between China and the Vatican is the appointment of bishops.
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And:
http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/01/23/vatican-asks-underground-chinese-bishops-to-stand-aside-for-government-backed-ones/?platform=hootsuite
Vatican ‘asks underground Chinese bishops to stand
aside for government-backed ones’
Chinese Catholic worshippers wait to receive Communion at the Palm Sunday Mass during the Easter Holy Week at an 'underground' church near Shijiazhuang, Hebei province (Photo: Getty)
A Vatican delegation reportedly asked two bishops to stand down as part of a deal with Chinese authorities
The Holy See has reportedly asked two Chinese bishops to stand aside to make way for illicitly ordained, Chinese government-backed counterparts.
A Vatican delegation asked Bishop Peter Zhuang of Shantou and Bishop Jospeh Guo Xijin of Mindong to retire or accept demotion in order to smooth relations with the Chinese government.
Asia News, the outlet of the Pontifical Institute for Foreign Missions, reports that 88-year-old Bishop Zhuang received a letter dated 26 October asking him to resign to make way for the government-backed Bishop Huang Bingzhang.
Bishop Huang was excommunicated in 2011 after being consecrated without Vatican approval. He is also a member of the National People’s Congress, the Chinese parliament.
Asia News reports that Bishop Zhuang was escorted to Beijing, where he met with Archbishop Claudio Maria Celli, former president of the Pontifical Council for Social Communications, who told him to retire – but with the proviso that he could nominate three priests, one of whom Bishop Huang would appoint as his vicar general.
Sources said Bishop Zhuang burst into tears on hearing the demand, adding that “it was meaningless to appoint a vicar general, who is still a priest that Bishop Huang could remove him anytime.”
Cardinal Joseph Zen, bishop emeritus of Hong Kong, confirmed the situation regarding Bishop Zhuang, Asia News says.
The delegation then travelled south to Fujian province where they asked Bishop Joseph Guo Xijin on Mindong, who belongs to the underground Church, to accept demotion to coadjutor bishop under the government-backed Vincent Zhan Silu.
Bishop Guo went missing for some time last year after authorities forced him to pay a visit to the religious affairs bureau in Fuan. His absence prevented him for celebrating the diocesan Chrism Mass.
A source said that signing a document to accept demotion was one of the conditions authorities put to him before releasing him.
An underground priest in Mindong said Catholics would feel conflicted over the move. “We of course feel hard to accept but do we have the right to oppose the Vatican?” He said that he may leave the priesthood over the Vatican’s decision.
12 comments:
The art of the deal - selling a lot of Jesus (who needs Him in a a changing world, we must move forward) for a little more communism (we are told we need salvation through slavery under tyrants, sold to us as peaceunitysocialjustice).
Despicable.
To illustrate:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=communism+forward&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDsrfRje_YAhUFxmMKHTAcCywQ_AUICigB&biw=1657&bih=913#imgrc=1KzLM5bTrUwlAM:
The Chinese Hierarchy should resign en masse. By doing so they would keep their integrity & show that the pope is not God but His servant. If the servant is not capable of doing the job then he must be sacked. It would then become imperative for the prelature to call an imperfect council in order to bring the CC back to order.
Not the first time Catholics have been betrayed by the Vatican ,Cardinal Josef Mindszenty comes to mind ,also the Cristeros in Mexico .
We all abandoned by the Catholic Church.
It gets clearer everyday.
Instead of doing what a Good Shepherd ought to do, Bergoglio acts like a JUDAS betraying the faithful in China and driving them to isolation from true shepherds and into despair. The Chinese Bishops can no longer obey the heretic traitor in the Vatican (none one is obligated to obey a heretic), they should obey Christ's command to feed His sheep
The other Bishops or Cardinals that do nothing to remove this heretic from the papal office are complicit in his crimes
#millstone
This begs a few questions.
The Pope will likely not approve a successor to the underground Bishops--the true Bishops. The Pope, instead, will only recognize Chinese Communist "Bishops." This means that they will need to act on their own in naming a successor, correct?
They would be completely in the right. Which means, Archbishop Lefebvre's "disobedience" would be justified when he ordained Bishops in a situation of emergency.
Secondly, the legitimate Bishop refused to step down and cited "disobedience." He is justified in his stance. This, yet again, is analogous to Archbishop Lefebvre's position.
So, the Catholic must either admit that the Communist bishops are legitimate just because the Pope says so... or that the true Bishop is justified in his so-called disobedience; which then, logically, is easily applied to the SSPX position.
Anonymous at 5:28 a.m.
Those who remain faithful to Christ and His Truth WILL BE OBANDONED by what appears to be the official Church. But we remain the Catholic Church, just as the underground Chinese faithful remain the True Church. Bergoglio's church is no more Catholic than the *official* Communist Catholic Church.
And these guys will be bishops, who'll then become Cardinals, who will then be voting in the conclave, and considering a scenario where vocations in the West are so bad, and the Traditionalist priests sent off to remain in rural areas, I don't see any reason why the Chinese couldn't pull off Communist Infiltration 2.0 and send many of their restless wife-less young men into the Seminary, get them sent abroad, get them fast-tracked to bishops, get them recommend for Cardinal hats by the dopes Francis has installed in exchange for some nice 'charitable donations', get these men voting in the next conclave to install one of their own as Pope.
Don't be surprised if one day the red Chinese flag can be spotted flying over the Dome of St. Peter's.
While we are merely upset by this antipope and his gaggle of heretics, we see there are real and serious consequences of having an evil man in the Chair of Peter. This is really astounding, but I'm not sure anymore why it should be. To support the Communist Party, at the expense of real Bishops. To have this happen after all the people who have been tortured and who have been killed for their faith, including priests, who have been kidnapped, killed, stripped naked and then rolled up in carpets and dumped outside their parents home.
I wish to tell them, they have not died in vain! Our Lord Jesus Christ sees them, and someday they will have their very real reward. Our brothers and sisters in China are suffering. Please God, help them and us. Please remove this evil pestilence that has taken over our Church. Our Lady, crush his head.
Monstruo
No. No one, not even the pope (if he is the pope) has the right to demand that we betray Our Lord Jesus Christ. Jorge Bergoglio can no more require the Chinese Catholics at capitulate to their predatory, atheistic government than he can require the rest of us to acquiesce to the admittance of the "divorced-and-remarried" to Holy Communion, or to recognize the sum of two and two as five. No. Seven times seventy times, no. ¡Viva Cristo Rey!
I just read where Cardinal Zen personally hand delivered a letter to Francis from the 'underground Catholics'. When interviewed about it he said he was convinced that Francis doesn't know what's happening on the ground, so they wrote him a letter. AND he said that he just WILL NOT believe that he would purposely do something THAT evil. Some of these Cardinals just refuse to see him the way he really is.
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