Monday, 22 August 2016

No, Monsignor Swetland, you are quite incorrect, and quite deluded, too!

The Church cannot demand that I, as a Catholic, must believe that Islam is a religion of peace. You cannot compel me to believe what history and current events show is untrue. 

Neither the good Monsignor nor Pope Bergoglio have any authority over me or any Catholic on this matter, it is simply their opinions, their personal judgements. 

Swetland's comments in this video are shocking in their ignorance. He is out of his depth with Spencer, to be sure.

Monsignor Swetland is duped by ideology. He is what the Islamists call a "dhimmi" or what Lenin called, a "useful idiot."

Swetland actually admits at the end of the debate, that, whilst at Oxford, he "thought of Islam as a religion to enter."

What will Our Lord say to him for distorting the truth, misdirecting Catholics and leaving poor Moslems in their darkness?


Dan said...

As pew sitters we have lost spiritual leaders, but oh have we gained politically correct politians.

Ignotus said...

So the good Msgr. has by his own authority expanded the scope of First Vatican Council's decree Pastor Aeternus by several orders of magnitude to include supreme authority to interpret not only the Catholic faith, but other faiths as well.

The good Msgr. Seems to place the Catholic Papacy's interpretation of Islam over even that of the "great" Prophet Muhammed (piss be upon him). I wonder how the Islamic authorities will take that. I wouldn't imagine they would be too happy.

Peter Lamb said...

I found these two articles on the subject interesting and informative:

Bergoglio on Islam:
“… esteem and friendship for all Muslims, especially those who are religious leaders… Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values. Particular respect is due to religious leaders and to places of worship… think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices… Happy Feast to you all!”
(L’Osservatore Romano, August 7-14, 2013, p.7>)

“It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam,” he said. “However, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”
(June 3, 2016 LifeSiteNews, from La Croix.)

Nostra Aetate, #2:
" Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites. The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men."

Mark Thomas said...

Dear Peter Lamb,

Peter, I am uncertain as to your point in regard to Nostra Aetate, #2. Please, if you desire, explain to me your point.

Thank you, Peter.


Mark Thomas

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Mark, Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Est.
"Here, too... it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.
Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom "the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior." The words of Christ are clear enough: "If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;" "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;" "He who does not believe will be condemned;" "He who does not believe is already condemned;" "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters." The Apostle Paul says that such persons are "perverted and self-condemned;" The Prince of the Apostles calls them "false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction." (On Promotion of False Doctrines, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, Pope Pius IX, my birthday!, 1863.)

Romulus said...

Maybe Islam is "spiritually" peaceful, only we're too sinful to see it. Is that it, Fr Mowbray?

Michael Poulin said...

In regards to this story as reported at Jihad Watch and other blogs, the response is overwhelming that Swetland and Francis are a) out of their league with respect to Mr Spencer b) criminally ignorant of Islam c) lacking in authority to bind Catholic conscience in this matter. Mr Swetland would not quote any teachings before the 1960's because to do so would destroy his argument.

Unknown said...

"Mr Swetland would not quote any teachings before the 1960's because to do so would destroy his argument."


Anonymous said...

o david. really. all of them are evil? all muslims? really?

Anonymous said...

Vox Cantoris said...

Anonymous o david. really. all of them are evil? all muslims? really?

My silly billy anonymous Canonist priest friend at Bathurst and St. Clair. How's that nice condo? Have you prayed your Office? Have you sought spiritual direction or gone to Confession over your attempt to goad me to expose private canonical matters about a brother?

What kind of malefactor are you, anyway. Who called you to the priesthood, Satan? Is he your father, that old scratch? old Screwtape?

To answer your question, my Arian friend, Islam is evil. There are good Muslims but if they are good it is not because of the lie they follow and an antichrist prophet, it is in spite of it. If you read this blog regularly, you would know I have stated that before. It is not because of their religion they are good, it is in spite of it! Moslems who truly follow their religion are in fact, those of ISIS. This is how this curse on earth spread through the first hundred years, wiping out my ancestors in Lebanon and the Middle East and across North Africa.

For an educated man, you really are quite ignorant of history, then again, history began for you in 1960.

Your're a disgusting excuse for a priest.

Sixupman said...

This nonentity Swetland has been given more publicity than he deserves!

Peter Lamb said...

"Pope" "Saint" John XXIII removed the words asking for the conversion of those "in the darkness of idolatry or of Islamism" from the text of the prayer for the Consecration of the World to the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus.

"Pope" "Blessed" Paul VI signed the heretical document Nostra Aetate "The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God."

"Pope" "Saint" John Paul II kissed the Koran and prayed, "May Saint John the Baptist protect Islam."

"Pope" Benedict XVI called for Christians "to open their arms and hearts" to Moslem immigrants and "to dialogue" with them on religious issues.

"Pope" Francis prayed towards Mecca and said, "Islam is a religion of peace, one which is compatible with respect for human rights and peaceful coexistence."

The True Church does NOT regard Mohammedans as "worshiping the same God." Traditionalist Catholicism and Islam have competing theologies which are mutually exclusive. "Allah" is the name of a false moon "god" exalted by the false prophet Mohammed.
The psalmist tells us that "All the Gods of the Gentiles are Devils" (Psalm 96:5) and hence to whom do they render their worship? The Scriptures tell us clearly " They provoked him by strange gods, and stirred him up to anger, with their abominations. They sacrificed to devils and not to God: to gods whom they knew not: that were newly come up, whom their fathers worshiped not. " (Deut 32:16- 17)

Islam is a false ideology which does not come from God. Those who follow it, will lose their souls. The Koran is an evil book written under demonic inspiration. The Koran Cannot Be Interpreted Peacefully Christians who commit violent acts do so in spite of Church teaching to the contrary. Mohammedans who commit violent acts do as instructed by Islam.

Gone are the days when St Francis of Assisi met Sultan Al Malik Al Kamil. The Saint told him, "If you wish to convert to Christ, and your people with you, I will most gladly remain among you out of love for Him. If you are hesitant about abandoning the law of Mohammed for the faith of Christ, order an immense fire to be lit; I will enter into it with your priests and you will see which is the surer and holier of the two creeds, and which one you must follow."
There was no "esteem" for the false religion shown, and peace was by conversion. Gone are the days of King St. Louis IX and Pope St. Pius V who fought to keep the infidels out of Catholic Europe.

We must pray to God to help us. If the errors of Vatican II are not stopped soon, the bodies will pile up as Islam seeks to eradicate us, and we may see it all happen "Nostra Aetate" - In Our Time.

King St. Louis IX, Victor over the Saracens, Pray for us!
(Extracted from Introibo Ad Altare Dei, 16 Nov., 2015.)