Saturday, 20 August 2016

Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki - if he can betray his role as custodian of this Cathedral, he can betray the true Shepherd and the sheep of his pasture!

More rot from Germany. 

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"They have set up their signs for ensigns"
It could only be an evil man that would allow the desecration of the Temple of  God in such a manner. 

What kind of bishop would allow this to happen in his Cathedral? 

What kind of man with faith in God would permit such an abomination?


"They have set fire to thy sanctuary."

"They have defiled the dwelling place of thy name on the earth."


Rainer Maria Cardinal Woelki. A disgusting curse upon the Church in Germany. A despicable prelate who cares not about the One, True, Faith. A syncretist and Masonic stooge. A traitor of Our Lord Jesus Christ. An effeminate, a Judas.

If he cares so little about the integrity of his Cathedral, what does he care about the sheep of his flock?

What kind of man is this?

Or is he even, a man.



NovusOrdoWatch, (Nota bene: sedevacantist) has all the details and videos.


Ut quid, Deus. A prayer of the church under grievous persecutions.

  1. Understanding for Asaph. O God, why hast thou cast us off unto the end: why is thy wrath enkindled against the sheep of thy pasture? 
  2. Remember thy congregation, which thou hast possessed from the beginning. The sceptre of thy inheritance which thou hast redeemed: mount Sion in which thou hast dwelt. 
  3. Lift up thy hands against their pride unto the end; see what things the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary. 
  4. And they that hate thee have made their boasts, in the midst of thy solemnity. They have set up their ensigns for signs,
  5. And they knew not both in the going out and on the highest top. As with axes in a wood of trees,
  6. They have cut down at once the gates thereof, with axe and hatchet they have brought it down. 
  7. They have set fire to thy sanctuary: they have defiled the dwelling place of thy name on the earth. 
  8. They said in their heart, the whole kindred of them together: Let us abolish all the festival days of God from the land. 
  9. Our signs we have not seen, there is now no prophet: and he will know us no more. 
  10. How long, O God, shall the enemy reproach: is the adversary to provoke thy name for ever?
  11. Why dost thou turn away thy hand: and thy right hand out of the midst of thy bosom for ever? 
  12. But God is our king before ages: he hath wrought salvation in the midst of the earth.
  13. Thou by thy strength didst make the sea firm: thou didst crush the heads of the dragons in the waters. 
  14. Thou hast broken the heads of the dragon: thou hast given him to be meat for the people of the Ethiopians. 
  15. Thou hast broken up the fountains and the torrents: thou hast dried up the Ethan rivers.
  16. Thine is the day, and thine is the night: thou hast made the morning light and the sun.
  17. Thou hast made all the borders of the earth: the summer and the spring were formed by thee.
  18. Remember this, the enemy hath reproached the Lord: and a foolish people hath provoked thy name. 
  19. Deliver not up to beasts the souls that confess to thee: and forget not to the end the souls of thy poor. 
  20. Have regard to thy covenant: for they that are the obscure of the earth have been filled with dwellings of iniquity.
  21. Let not the humble be turned away with confusion: the poor and needy shall praise thy name. 
  22. Arise, O God, judge thy own cause: remember thy reproaches with which the foolish man hath reproached thee all the day. 
  23. Forget not the voices of thy enemies: the pride of them that hate thee ascendeth continually.

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

Vox, your posts point to clearer lines being drawn between the culture of life and coalescing culture of death. The desecration of sacred places in Germany and challenges to Christian marriage there are part of it. The little Syrian boy's photo you posted highlights another facet of it. Abortion, war, environmental devastation, destruction of marriage, abolition of gender, abrogation of human rights - all part of the same agenda. People are either for the culture of life or not, and that includes Catholic writers and politicians. More and more, there will be no middle ground, and everyone will have to choose Life or death.
Anthony

Ana Milan said...

Seems like a mirror image of his boss PF who was pleased to go along with a Light Show at the Vatican & has plenty of infidel & schismatic friends, including of course climate change activists. These people need purging but that will not happen until Russia is consecrated to Our Lady followed by Her Triumph.

Anonymous said...

That's Psalm 73, which is used every Friday during the year (except Bright Week and a few other exceptions) but especially for the Third Sunday of the Great Fast and the Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross on September 14th (coming up soon). This is from last year:

http://lit.royaldoors.net/2015/08/30/september-14-2015-the-universal-exaltation-of-the-precious-and-life-giving-cross/

Specifically, the Third Antiphon and the Alleluia verses.

Let us stay at the foot of the Cross with Our Lady and St. John the Beloved Disciple and Theologian and not fall into sedevacantism by the power of the Precious Blood.

Save Your people, O Lord, and bless Your inheritance. Grant victory to Your people against enemies, and protect Your community by Your Cross.

Exaltation of the Holy Cross, Troparion, Tone 1




Sybok said...

the new religion...

Dan said...

Maybe they are such lovers of money that they will rent the sacred places to the highest bidder. Seems likely.

Mark Thomas said...

Vox, I clicked the link to Novus Ordo Watch and was amazed when I read the following:

"But at the center there is always man, about whom Vatican II blasphemously said: “...all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown” (Pastoral Constitution Gaudium Et Spes, n. 12)."

That is unbelievable. Why on earth would the person at Novus Ordo Watch label GS 12 blasphemous? GS 12 is rooted in Sacred Scripture. It is mind-boggling that Novus Ordo Watch failed to comprehend such a basic teaching as GS 12.

The teaching reads: "According to the almost unanimous opinion of believers and unbelievers alike, all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown."

That is Catholic teaching. How could Novus Ordo Watch be ignorant of that fact?

It is frightening that such outfits as Novus Ordo Watch botch one thing after another. People read such nonsense, particularly people new to Tradition, then believe the nonsense that they were fed.

Is Novus Ordo Watch unaware that as is reflected in GS 12, God views man as His monumental, beloved creatures whom He treasures with incomparable love?

Is Novus Ordo Watch unaware that the Church Fathers, as GS 12 reflects, taught that the heavens, earth, sea and all creation exist for man?

God spared his Son for the sake of man.

Man is of such importance to God that He never ceases "to work, trying every possible means, until he has raised man up to Himself and made him sit at his right hand."

What is wrong with Novus Ordo Watch to have botched such a traditional teaching to the point that they attached blaspheme to GS 12? Again, it's even more frightening that people read Novus Ordo Watch, then take as expert analysis the various nonsense that Novus Ordo Watch spews.

Novus Ordo Watch can keep its NewChurch, NewRome, NewReligion nonsense.

GS 12 is a blasphemous teaching...oh, please!

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Peter Lamb said...

OT, but I would like to confess that I am an arrant coward. I climbed the 500 odd steps up the tallest tower of the Dom in Cologne. I reached the level of the big concrete arches near the top. The wind came whistling through the arches. The people on the ground looked like ants. There was a metal staircase going further up into the spire. I started climbing them. I could feel the staircase swaying in the wind. I stopped. I looked around and I was alone - nobody to see. "Pete you're a coward", I said to myself. "Yes, indeed", myself answered, "but there is nobody to see, or know." So, I scuttled down those stairs at speed and raced across the square to a "brauhause" (?) for a long beer!

Anonymous said...

Mark, the main point of the post was the blasphemous defacement of the Cathedral, which Novus Ordo Watch is right to condemn along with Vox, not the one sentence about GS 12. Please stay on the topic.

JayBee said...

We had the Cologne Rape Fest on new year's eve. Now we have the rape of the Cologne Cathedral with full endorsement of the bishop. The decline of civilization proceeds apace, helped along by the Catholic hierarchy.

Mark Thomas said...

Anonymous, you are incorrect that my comment was off-topic. My comment was 100 percent on-topic. Had you read closely Novus Ordo Watch's article in question, then you would not have posted your comment.

Novus Ordo Watch's citation of the so-called "blasphemous" Vatican II teaching in question was integral to Novus Ordo Watch's claim that the Cathedral light and music show was "blasphemous."

The fact that Novus Ordo Watch misrepresented horrifically the Vatican II teaching in question throws into doubt Novus Ordo Watch's claim that the Cathedral's light and music show is part of the Modernist agenda which leads to "profanation" of the sacred.

Again, had you paid close attention to the article, then you would have known that Novus Ordo Watch's citation of Gaudium et spes #12 is of supreme importance to Novus Ordo Watch's interpretation of the Cathedral light and music show.

Conversely, I paid close attention to the Novus Ordo Watch. That is why I commented upon Novus Ordo Watch's monumentally flawed claim about Gaudium et spes #12.

Below is the key paragraph from the Novus Ordo Watch article...a key paragraph that you obviously failed to comprehend as critical to Novus Ordo Watch's claim about the light and music show.

Novus Ordo Watch does not have my confidence...not after having claimed that 100 percent Catholic teaching is blasphemous.

From: Novus Ordo Watch's false, unorthodox claim...(the key paragraph as it appears on Novus Ordo Watch):

"In all this, we once again see an application of the Modernist dogma that everything must focus on the individual experience, for in the Modernist religion, faith equals experience or feeling, which of course ultimately rests on no intellectual foundation at all, can never withstand rational challenges, and will only last for as long as the feelings perdure. It is doomed to failure. God? An annoying side object for the Novus Ordo religion, who is invoked only to solve our problems, make us feel good, and give us psychological support — oh yes, and to forgive our sins, of course. But at the center there is always man, about whom Vatican II blasphemously said: “...all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown” (Pastoral Constitution Gaudium Et Spes, n. 12)."

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Karl Rahner Jr. said...

Is there any good news out there?

S. Armaticus said...

Death throws of the church in Germany. In 2015, the German Catholic Church had 58 ordinations. This is what I call voluntary self-extinction.

The culture of death in its "fullest"!

https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2016/08/19/church-in-germany-in-full-denial-mode/

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Anonymous @ 12:27pm, I gather you are a Ukrainian Catholic. I would be most interested to hear why you invoke the power of the Precious Blood against sedevacantists, who are Catholics. I hope you have a very good reason for such blasphemy.

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Mark, Let's look at what you said:

"The teaching [Gaudium et Spes 12] reads: "According to the almost unanimous opinion of believers and unbelievers alike, all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown." "That is Catholic teaching."
No Mark, that is heresy and blasphemy!

That is not Catholic teaching! The Catholic Church teaches that all things on earth should be related to God as their center and crown - not Man. It is the judeo-masons who put Man in the center of their NWO church of Man.

Long ago the Penny Catechism taught me that God made me to know Him, to love Him and to serve Him - not Man - in this world and to be happy with Him in the next.

The first Commandment orders us to love God - not Man - with our whole heart, our whole mind and our whole soul.

After that comes the order to love our neighbour as we love ourselves. We love Man, for the love of God - not because " all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown." Again, what heresy!

The Vatican II Sect is a church of Man, by Man, for Man. The true Catholic Church, by contrast, is the Church of God (1 Tim 3:15), founded by God (Mt 16:18), for the glory of God and the salvation of Man (Eph 3:21; Acts 16:17).

"But if it seem evil to you to serve the Lord, you have your choice: choose this day that which pleaseth you, whom you would rather serve, whether the gods which your fathers served in Mesopotamia, or the gods of the Amorrhites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord" (Jos 24:15).

The NWO church has a Naturalist obsession with Man and temporal things, which to them are ends in themselves. They totally ignore Man’s true purpose in life, his duties towards God and that which alone can bring him the happiness for which he was created - the salvation of his soul and the attainment of the Beatific Vision.

Now that's it Mark. You made your statement and I've made mine. No tennis. :)

Anonymous said...

Mark, once again you have derailed Vox's post. One does not need to address GS 12 to realize the desecration of the Cathedral, which is what we are talking about. Quit changing the subject! Please do not further address GS 12 and instead comment on the evil of Cardinal Woelki allowing the cathedral to be profaned in such a manner. This is what Vox posted about and what we were supposed to be discussing. If if was another website that reported on it instead of Novus Ordo Watch then you would not even be discussing GS 12, so leave it alone.

Dan said...

Mark does it even matter that Novus Ordo Watch thinks that the light and scent show at the Cathedral is part of a modernist agenda? What do YOU think about it?

Apparently this is "exhibition" is part of a gamers and electronics convention.

Do I hear a "hurrah!" for Relevant-Church?

Maudie N Mandeville said...

Fourteenth Sunday after Pentecost:

Christian people should attend to their temporal interests without exaggerated preoccupation, for such anxiety offends God Who is our Father in heaven. We cannot serve two masters: the flesh and the spirit, at the same time. But let us serve the spirit given to us by the Holy Ghost, Who makes us lean towards the supernatural life.

Mark Thomas said...

Anonymous, once again, I have not derailed Vox's post. Your comment is absurd. The fact is that my comments about the Novus Ordo Watch story that Vox referenced are pertinent to the story.

That said...

1. This is Vox's blog. He posts stories and his opinions to his blog.

2. Vox then opens his comment boxes very generously to lively debate.

3. Vox calls the shots here. He determines whether to post a person's comment to his blog.

4. It isn't my (or anybody's) place to whine about comments posted here. If a comment doesn't interest you, then move on. I spend a couple of seconds scanning a comment. If the comment doesn't interest me, then I move on. I don't whine about comments "derailing" Vox's blog.

5. Should Vox permit a person to post a 1,000-word comment about Boom Boom Geoffrion, or Felix the Cat, or the History of Oven Mitts, then so be it. Nobody is forced to read this or that comment. Move on.

I just scanned the comments post to this thread.

-- The first comment on this thread featured off-topic remarks.

-- Peter Lamb discussed his having "climbed the 500 odd steps up the tallest tower of the Dom in Cologne. So, I scuttled down those stairs at speed and raced across the square to a "brauhause" (?) for a long beer!"

-- Karl Rahner Jr. said..."Is there any good news out there?"

-- Peter Lamb posted an additional comment that read: "Dear Anonymous @ 12:27pm, I gather you are a Ukrainian Catholic. I would be most interested to hear why you invoke the power of the Precious Blood against sedevacantists, who are Catholics. I hope you have a very good reason for such blasphemy."

What do any of the above comments have to do with the Cathedral light and music show? Answer: They don't have anything to do the Cathedral show. But you know what? The comments in question don't bother me one bit. Vox approved the comments. Nobody forces me (or you) to read comments.

Anonymous, you and your ilk whine about me. However, nobody complains about one commenter after another who posts off-topic remarks that "derail" Vox's blog.

Anonymous, here is the bottom line: You and your ilk are not bothered by off-topic comments that "derail" Vox's blog. You are bothered by the fact that my opinions don't march in lockstep with your opinions. That is what upsets you.

Okay...I've said my piece (should Vox post my comment) about people who whine about me. I hope never again to respond to the whiners. I don't recall having done so until now. But for once, I felt the need to respond to complainers.

Vox (should you post this comment...if not, I understand), thank you for your patience.

My previous comments here about the Novus Ordo Watch story were on-topic. Now, I hope to return to the topic at hand.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

Dan, the answer to your first question is "yes." Novus Ordo Watch's claims about the Cathedral light and music show are important. Discerning the truth is always important.

That is particularly true in our case when we, as Catholics, are confronted with claims that a Cardinal profaned God's House...a Cathedral.

Novus Ordo Watch, from my understanding reaches more than a few people directly. Beyond that, as evidenced by Vox having referenced and linked to the original story, Novus Ordo Watch's claims about the Cardinal and Cathedral will reach thousands upon thousands of additional persons.

On top of that, people will encounter Novus Ordo Watch's claim that Vatican II taught "blaspheme," when, in fact, the Gaudium et spes teaching #12 is rooted in ancient Church teaching.

How many people unfamiliar with the Faith or new to the Faith will read and accept (or question) the claim that the Catholic Church promotes blasphemous teaching...that a Cardinal profaned God's Temple?

I hope to offer my opinion on the Cathedral light and music show (simply as I enjoy discussing the Faith and Church news). But even at that, I am unimportant..a nobody.

Conversely, Novus Ordo Watch is important. They are a somebody.

Dan, you don't believe that it's important to confront and explore Novus Ordo Watch's claims in question?

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Vox Cantoris said...

Mark, et al:

I posted the link to NovusOrdoWatch with the provision that it was a "sedevacantist" site because they had the full story and I did not have time to do a full story and since they went to the effort I wanted to give them credit, notwithstanding.

I do not agree with sedevacantism.

That being said, I do appreciate all commenters here and I am loath to stifle good debate or even disagreement.

Mark, Boom-Boom Geoffrion? Wow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjxabgUI4bo

Dan said...

"Dan, you don't believe that it's important to confront and explore Novus Ordo Watch's claims in question?"

No. Not here. Not on this blog. Vox was merely referencing one site reporting on a story that was reporated on many news sites and blogs.

The post was about the goings-on in a Cathedral, not just one blogs interpretation of the news

JayBee said...

Mark's comments are valid, on topic, and insightful. The posted article builds it's case on a small excerpt from GS. Those who have studied GS will instantly realize this is a bit of a convoluted interpretation, with an unquestionably invalid conclusion.

All of us, like Mark, would do well to be discerning and cautious in our reading of blog posts, especially when they acquire a paint-brush accusatory tone.

Good information can be found from many sources(and so Vox kindly posts them for us). However, Mark's insights do present an opportunity to pause and question if perhaps the words "blasphemy" and "heretic" are too frequently tossed around with a carelessness and vitriol unworthy of an intellectually honest Catholic.

Mark Thomas said...

Vox said..."Mark, Boom-Boom Geoffrion? Wow!"

Vox... Gordie Howe (who just fell asleep in the Lord about two months ago), Ed Giacomin, Johnny Bower, the GAG Line (Hadfield, Ratelle, Gilbert), Gump Worsley, announcer Dan Kelly, the Golden Jet, Rocket Richard, Jerry "King Kong" Korab, the Esposito brothers, Bobby Orr, the Broad Street Bullies...so many more.

I am certain that you followed (or follow) the Leafs. During the 1970s, our then-minor league team sent up (and received from the Leafs in demotion) several players to Toronto. Claire Alexander (booming slap shot), Ron Wilson, Kurt Walker (very tough man), Greg Hubic, Don Ashby (requiescat in pace).

It is official. I am way off-topic and have derailed your blog.

Vox, can you believe that you and I recall when there were just six NHL teams?

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

For those who swear by The Denzinger-Bergoglio, you will find that even they quote Gaudium et Spes #12, which Novus Ordo Watch condemned as "blasphemous", as 100 percent ancient, orthodox teaching.

https://en.denzingerbergoglio.com/laudato-si-ii-what-francis-forgot/

At the beginning of the page, Denzinger-Bergoglio quotes Gaudium et Spes #12. You will find that it is the fifth orthodox teaching quoted in the following section near the beginning of the page:

I – Man is an image of God and all was created for him

•All things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown

"According to the almost unanimous opinion of believers and unbelievers alike, all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown." (Vatican Council II, Pastoral Constitution Gaudium et Spes, no. 12, December 7, 1965)

Toward the bottom of the page on the Denzinger-Bergoglio link that I provided, Gaudium se Spes 312 is again quoted and presented as being rooted in ancient Church teaching.

Denzinger-Bergoglio identified Gaudium et Spes #12 as being rooted in traditional Church teaching as taught by Pope Pius XI, Saint Thomas Aquinas, Saint John Chrysostom, Saint John of the Cross, Vatican Council I...and on and on.

From Sacred Scripture, Psalms 8: 5-7, to the Popes, to the Saints, it is undeniable that Gaudium et Spes #12 is rooted 100 percent in ancient Catholic teaching.

Just one example: Denzinger-Bergoglio linked Gaudium et Spes #12 to the following from Saint John Chrysostom:

"It is man that great and wonderful living creature, more precious in the eyes of God than all other creatures! *******For him the heavens and the earth, the sea and all the rest of creation exist.*******

"God attached so much importance to his salvation that he did not spare his own Son for the sake of man. Nor does he ever cease to work, trying every possible means, until he has raised man up to himself and made him sit at his right hand."

But Novus Ordo Watch insists that an ancient Catholic teaching is "blasphemous."

The fact is that the Holy Catholic Church, not Novus Ordo Watch, knows Her teaching. It is absolutely the Church's ancient teaching that "all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown."

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Peter Lamb said...

The Denzinger Bergoglio is a novus ordo site. I'm sure that they are good traditionally inclined priests who mean well, but they do not adhere to unadulterated Catholicism. They are heavily tainted by conciliarism and happily quote Pope Pius X, or Leo XIII alongside Montini, Roncalli, or Bergoglio. They are neither black, nor white, but fifty shades of grey.
"This page is administered by a group of diocesan priests who share mutual concerns, and undertook this initiative in search of coherent responses to the most pressing issues for members of the Church today. As such, WE MAKE THE WORDS OF BLESSED PAUL VI OUR OWN." Paul VI, the judeo-masonic, ephod wearing, murderous, sodomitic, heretical anti-Christ. They cite the conciliar popes profusely and mix their teachings indiscriminately among those of authentic magisteriums, affording all equal weight. Neither fish, nor fowl, they earnestly try to force a square peg int a round hole.

Mark Thomas said...

To: Peter Lamb.

Peter, Okay...Denzinger-Bergoglio is a "novus ordo site." You are a sedevacantist. What does any of that mean when we look at references to Church teaching?

Either Psalms 8:6-7 reads as follows or doesn't: "Yet you have made him little less than a god, crowned him with glory and honor. You have given him rule over the works of your hands, put all things at his feet:"

Pslam 8: 6-7 is reflected clearly in Gaudium et Spes #12 declaration that all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown. That is obvious.

Did Denzinger-Bergoglio quoted Saint John Chrysostom incorrectly?

"It is man that great and wonderful living creature, more precious in the eyes of God than all other creatures!

*******"For him the heavens and the earth, the sea and all the rest of creation exist."*******

"God attached so much importance to his salvation that he did not spare his own Son for the sake of man. Nor does he ever cease to work, trying every possible means, until he has raised man up to himself and made him sit at his right hand."

Is Saint John Chrysostom wrong? Is man not of such monumental importance to God and enjoys such tremendous worth that he is called to sit at God's right hand?

Is Saint John Chrysostom wrong when he taught that the heavens, earth, sea, and all creation...everything...is created for man? In turn, man possesses absolute dominion over all creation. Is Saint John Chrysostom wrong?

Was Pope Pius XI wrong when he declared that man "...is a true ‘microcosm,’ as the ancients said, a world in miniature, with a value far surpassing that of the vast inanimate cosmos. God alone is his last end, in this life and the next. By sanctifying grace he is raised to the dignity of a son of God, and incorporated into the Kingdom of God in the Mystical Body of Christ."

Peter, as you are aware, Psalms, Saint John Chrysostom, and Pope Pius XI are not "Novus Ordo."

Gaudium et Spes #12 is rooted clearly in Church teaching.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

Novus Ordo Watch declared of the Cathedral light and music show:

"Granted, compared to other things we’ve seen in the Novus Ordo Sect, this is actually relatively harmless — which says a lot about what else we’ve seen."

I agree that the light and music show was "actually relatively harmless."

Had Novus Ordo Watch stopped there, although the reference to the Novus Ordo as a "sect" was ridiculous, then a rational discussion of the light and music show could have ensued.

Unfortunately, Novus Ordo Watch proceeded to claim that based upon their false interpretation of Gaudium et Spes #12, that the true purpose of the show was to set aside God and elevate man in line with supposed Vatican II, Novus Ordo "sect" teaching.

Therefore, based upon that false premise, and even though the actual light and music display was, as Novus Ordo Watch had noted, "relatively harmless," we must view the display an sacrilegious.

When we separate the light and music display from the notion that the display's true purpose was, in supposed keeping with Vatican II, to replace God with man, then we can view the light and music display for what it was.

In that regard, and again, in agreement with Novus Ordo Watch, I viewed the display as having been "relatively harmless."

Novus Ordo Watch noted that the official purpose of the show was to bring young people into contact with the Church. The Cardinal acted in good will in that regard. His purpose was noble.

However, I am saddened that our Churchmen feel the need to restore to, if you will, gimmicks to attract young people to the Church. Our Churchmen refuse to lean heavily upon the TLM and Holy Tradition to attract young people to the Church.

Instead, a Cardinal prefers a light and music display, a gimmick, to attempt to draw people into the Church. In that regard, I sympathize with my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ who, as do I, favor the TLM.

I understand why the light and music show upset them, turned them off...frustrated them. The TLM is infinitely more powerful and effective at attracting people to God than a gimmick.

But despite my shared frustration with my brothers and sisters in Christ, I am unable to attribute evil intentions to Cardinal Woelki's decision to employ a "relatively harmless" light and music display to draw people literally into the Cathedral.

Was the display ridiculous and unnecessary when the Cardinal has the proven TLM to accomplish said task? Yes. Was the light and music display satanic and sacrilegious? No.

That is my opinion — an opinion offered by an unimportant, definite nobody.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

Novus Ordo Watch said of the Cathedral light and music show, which include a laser (I guess that it was a laser) triangle.

"The following pictures also give a general idea of what is going on inside the cathedral during SilentMOD. Of course no sacrilegious laser light show would be complete without a Masonic triangle:"

In the Catholic Church, we view the triangle as a Catholic symbol that represents the Holy Trinity.

The light display was featured inside a Catholic Cathedral. Therefore, would not the benefit of doubt favor the belief that the triangle was utilized as a Catholic symbol?

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Mark, I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. God - the Creator.
That God gave Man dominion, i.e. control, or stewardship, over the works of His Hands, we know. As St. John Chrysostom says, Man is more precious in the eyes of God than all other creatures... For him the heavens and the earth, the sea and all the rest of creation exist" [to the ultimate glory of God]. This is Catholic truth.

This does not mean, as you say it does, that Man has "absolute" dominion over all of God's creation! Man, God's creature, acts merely as God's steward on the earth. You might say he has relative dominion over the earth, but God alone has ABSOLUTE dominion over His Creation!
There is only one center of Creation - God! There is only one crown and it belongs to the King of Kings - God.
All things, visible and invisible; on the earth, above and below the earth, should be related to God as their center, their crown, their Creator and their End - not Man!
Of what relevance to Catholics, are the opinions of unbelievers, might I ask?
Pax et Bonum.












Mark Thomas said...

Peter, I understand that I agree that man does not have absolute dominium over creation in the sense that he is free to trample creation as he pleases. Therefore, when I say that man has absolute dominion over creation, I hope that it's understood that as the CCC teaches, man's dominion over creation must include "respect for the integrity of creation."

I am certain that you and I agree on that.

That said, rooted in Sacred Scripture, the teachings of the Church Fathers, and our Popes is the teaching that all things on earth should be related to man as their center and crown. That is beyond question. Denzinger-Bergoglio has offered numerous citations from Church teaching to demonstrate that fact.

But you disagree with that. Okay. That is that.

Pax.

Mark Thomas