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Thursday, 9 June 2016

I know you are but what am I?

Our friends at Rorate Caeli have juxtaposed Saint John Paul II's, Veritatis Splendor with Francis' daily ditty from the Chapel at the St. Martha Motel (apologise to the Saint and my mother, Martha!)

As with the great Denzinger-Bergoglio; the best way to oppose Francis, and get it through to our Catholic brothers and sisters that something is terribly wrong with this Pope and his thinking, is to directly compare what he says with what came before him.

Jorge Bergoglio is a man, he is not a god. Get off of this papolatry treadmill that some are
on. We have every right to oppose him when he says that which contradicts the Magisterium of teaching which came before. In fact, we have a duty to oppose him for our own sake and for the sake of others.

Today, he called clarity on the Law and the choice between good and evil as "heretical." This Pope believes in situational ethics. He has now dared in his arrogance to call those who follow  Our Blessed Lord's statement, "if you love me, keep my commandments," as heretics.

Well, we know what that is, don't we?





From Rorate:


(1) Either John Paul II and all the Popes who came before him are right, by emphasizing the "absoluteness" of the Church's moral law and by classifying as a "very serious error" that the doctrine of the Church is only an "ideal"...
It would be a very serious error to conclude... that the Church's teaching is essentially only an "ideal" which must then be adapted, proportioned, graduated to the so-called concrete possibilities of man, according to a "balancing of the goods in question".
But what are the "concrete possibilities of man"? And of which man are we speaking? Of man dominated by lust or of man redeemed by Christ? This is what is at stake: the reality of Christ's redemption. Christ has redeemed us! This means that he has given us the possibility of realizing the entire truth of our being; he has set our freedom free from the domination of concupiscence. And if redeemed man still sins, this is not due to an imperfection of Christ's redemptive act, but to man's will not to avail himself of the grace which flows from that act....
In this context, appropriate allowance is made both for God's mercy towards the sinner who converts and for the understanding of human weakness. Such understanding never means compromising and falsifying the standard of good and evil in order to adapt it to particular circumstances. It is quite human for the sinner to acknowledge his weakness and to ask mercy for his failings; what is unacceptable is the attitude of one who makes his own weakness the criterion of the truth about the good, so that he can feel self-justified, without even the need to have recourse to God and his mercy. An attitude of this sort corrupts the morality of society as a whole, since it encourages doubt about the objectivity of the moral law in general and a rejection of the absoluteness of moral prohibitions regarding specific human acts, and it ends up by confusing all judgments about values.
John Paul II in Veritatis Splendor of August 6, 1993
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...or (2) Francis is right, by qualifying as "heretical" a rejection of the "Doctrine of the Ideal" as well as any affirmation of the absoluteness of moral prohibitions ('or this or nothing').
“This (is the) healthy realism of the Catholic Church: the Church never teaches us ‘or this or that.’ That is not Catholic. The Church says to us: ‘this and that.’ ‘Strive for perfectionism: reconcile with your brother. Do not insult him. Love him. And if there is a problem, at the very least settle your differences so that war doesn’t break out.’ This (is) the healthy realism of Catholicism. It is not Catholic (to say) ‘or this or nothing:’ This is not Catholic, this is heretical. Jesus always knows how to accompany us, he gives us the ideal, he accompanies us towards the ideal, He frees us from the chains of the laws' rigidity and tells us: ‘But do that up to the point that you are capable.’ And he understands us very well. He is our Lord and this is what he teaches us.”
Francis' Homily at Santa Marta on June 9, 2016

10 comments:

Peter Lamb said...

When asked what the lay Catholic faithful must do in the the face of various high-profile Catholic leaders who openly dissent from fundamental Catholic teaching and morality, Bishop Bruskewitz responded that they have a “right and the duty to call things to the mind of the clergy and to express themselves on issues. More than ever, they're required to be brave and to live the call that they received from their confirmation. That oil that was put on them gave them Wisdom, Understanding, Counsel, Knowledge, Fortitude, Piety, and Fear of the Lord. And it's especially that ‘Fortitude’ aspect that has to be there... And that (Fortitude) and Counsel gives to the lay people the right and the duty to call things to the mind of the clergy and to express themselves on issues ... as long as it is done with Christian charity ... and sometimes they have a duty to do it... there were times during the Protestant Reformation when bishops and cardinals fell away from the Church and it was the lay people who stood up and said, ‘No, this is the truth, and this is what we have to live by and stand for. I think laypeople perhaps have more of a role to play then they might expect in this catastrophic degeneration of our culture and our civilization in this 21st-century,” he said.

Ana Milan said...

We may have a role to play but the duty remains with the Hierarchy to disentangle the mess they made when they collectively elected PF to the Papacy. They would rather stay hidden & silent & let us make the noise, that way they save their jobs. It would be foolish to let them away with the consequences of their failure. They mustn't think we'll forgive & forget - not this time.

Greg J Ben said...

Like many people , Bergoglio thinks that "Utopia" can be achieved on earth, that every human being can love each other and live peacefully, in love, ever after, and that religion is divisive. Bergoglio uses his belonging to a religion (he could have been a Muslim, a Buddhist, etc.) by using his religion, his god, his influence, his "spiritual" and political power to preach and justify humanism and the "Utopia" which is his final goal.

Catholicism became merely a word devoid of any meaning. It became, for many (clergy and others, Catholics or not), a means to justify Atheism which is the only way to "Utopia."

Anonymous said...

The Kasper, Bergoglio and Hans Küng don't believe the Church infallibly keep the divine revelation. For Bergoglio the Church only have an opinion.

On Homosexuality
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/19/pope-francis-church-cant-interfere-with-gays/

When Francis was a bishop in Buenos Aires, Argentina, he received letters from gays and lesbians who said they were "socially wounded" by the church, he said.

"But the church does not want to do this," Francis said in the interview.

The pope then recalled his comments in July, when he told the media aboard a flight to Rome, "Who am I to judge" gay people?

"By saying this, I said what the catechism says," the pope told Spadaro. The catechism, the Catholic Church's book of official doctrine, condemns homosexual acts, but says gays and lesbians "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity."

"Religion has the right to express its OPINION in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to INTERFERE spiritually in the life of a person."

Francis said that someone once asked him if he "approved" of homosexuality.

"I replied with another question," he said. "`Tell me, when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being."

https://www.aciprensa.com/noticias/lo-que-si-dijo-el-papa-francisco-sobre-el-aborto-y-los-gays-en-nueva-entrevista-61158/

Anonymous said...

@ Paul Morphy

It seems to me that every utterance of this pope needs to PUBLICLY compared and contrasted with the utterances of previous popes, in order to persuade the hierarchy to take this pope to task.

It will be a labourious and intense exercise to have to undergo this compare and contrast exercise, but this mans utterances need to be held to account in public.

I welcome the work done in this regard by VOX, Denzinger, AKA Catholic.
God Bless you in your work - the faith needs this work to be done, daily if required.

Anonymous said...

Did Christ not say "Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."and " For verily I say unto you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, one iota or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all come to pass."

Anonymous said...

In his heretical book “On Heaven and Earth" Bergoglio also accuse priest of "spiritual and pastoral harassment."
“If God, in creation, ran the risk of making us free, who am I to get involved?”. He goes on to say that priests should propose values “without interfering” and avoiding preaching “against so and so.”

Anonymous said...

Ezekiel 44:23 They shall teach my people the difference between the holy and the common, and show them how to distinguish between the unclean and the clean.
for centuries we have been listened to gay repeat the same: "Don't Impose Your Morality on Me! "

An now Bergoglio is doing exactly the same he is revealing against God and the Church he was teaching priest "What you should do and should not do, those are not homilies are moralists and this is not a class of moral...

Michael Dowd said...

"Jesus always knows how to accompany us, he gives us the ideal, he accompanies us towards the ideal, He frees us from the chains of the laws' rigidity and tells us: ‘But do that up to the point that you are capable.’ And he understands us very well. He is our Lord and this is what he teaches us.”
--Pope Francis.

Wrong. "Do this up to the point you are capable." This statement suggests that mere attempts to give up sinning while continuing to sin is good enough. In other words good intentions will get one to heaven.

Thomas Pernice said...

The proposition by Rorate is worded very poorly.