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Wednesday, 6 May 2015

No Toronto Catholic Register. No L'Osservatore Romano, IT IS NOT BLASPHEMY to mock Mahomet! HE IS NOT GOD!

Toronto's Catholic Register is parrotting this story from RNS referring to a front-page article at L'Osservatore Romano calling the cartoons of Mohomet "blasphemous."

mohammed-dendermonde-1This is quite incredible really.

One can blaspheme God.

One cannot blaspheme a man.

If Mahomet ever really existed can be debated. If he did, he was a warlord; a murderer, a child-molester and a Jew-hating Christ denier -- and antichrist.

He was no prophet.

I'm not suggesting that we should engage in mocking anyone; but I won't call the mocking of a man, blasphemy because it is not.

Shame on those Catholics who would use such a word reserved for Him who is truly One in Three Persons.

Shame on the Catholic Register and its Editors to use such a headline.

Do these people have any theological or historical or religious education? Are they just plain stupid or do they really believe the lies they are trying to sell as truth?

More of Mahomet's useful idiots they are.

Postscript:

Late evening (May 6) I watched an interview with Franklin Graham. He spoke the same line as Bill Donahue previously. As Christians, we should not be provoking anyone to anger. This is not to excuse in any way the attempted attack in Garland, the perpetrators got what they deserved and have been judged by God for their action and their false religion. However, what of the picture above? It is from a church in Belgium and shows the pulpit held up by an angel with his feed on Mahomet and his book of lies. Is that any different from the cartoons? Should we now erase this history? Mahomet was what he was. Yet at the same time, should we go out of our way to provoke people when we know their response will be violent as we have insulted them? Perhaps we should. What the event in Garland did is to show America that jihadists are within and at the same time, two of them were eliminated. Perhaps we need to see this in broader terms than personal or religious insult. We are in a war for our very existence. However, we will not win this war unless we call upon the Lord our God to defend us and to do that, we need to return to Him. Graham and Donahue are right. On an individual basis, it is wrong for me or you to go up to a Muslim and insult them. The question of speaking the truth of what is a curse upon the world and the cause of millions of deaths in this century and tens to hundreds of millions since its inception in the seventh century is something quite different. 


http://www.catholicregister.org/faith/faith-news/item/20191-muhammad-cartoons-blasphemous-vatican-paper-says

Muhammad cartoons 'blasphemous,' Vatican paper says

BY  ROSIE SCAMMELL, RELIGION NEWS SERVICE
  • May 6, 2015
VATICAN CITY - The Vatican’s semi-official newspaper blasted a series of cartoons of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad as “blasphemous” but also condemned the “mad and bloodthirsty” extremists who opened fire at a Texas exhibit of the cartoons.
The front-page article in L’Osservatore Romano likened the exhibit in Garland, Texas, to pouring “gasoline on the fire” of religious sensitivities and was critical of its sponsors, the American Freedom Defense Initiative and professional provocateur Pamela Geller.
Police on May 3 shot and killed two gunmen who opened fire outside the exhibit that was designed to provoke Muslim sensitivities; the so-called Islamic State has since claimed responsibility for the attack that injured a security guard, and promised more to come.
The newspaper said the Texas event “resembles only remotely the initiatives of Charlie Hebdo,” referring to the French satirical weekly whose office was attacked by Islamist extremists in January. Twelve people were gunned down at the Paris premises by the Islamist militants, who targeted magazine staff for publishing similar cartoons.
After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Pope Francis condemned the idea of killing “in God’s name” but warned that “you cannot provoke, you cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”
While L’Osservatore Romano said the Texas exhibition could be compared to Charlie Hebdo “for its provocative intention, almost a desire to throw gasoline on the fire,” the Vatican newspaper reserved a stronger condemnation for those behind the attacks.
Garland was “certainly not Paris,” while the anticipated “participation of some ultra-conservative European politicians” was also noted. The Vatican newspaper went on to urge respect, which it described as “the necessary attitude to approach the religious experience of another.”
L’Osservatore Romano is largely autonomous from the Vatican but rarely publishes anything that does not have the tacit approval of Vatican officials.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

From the Second Vatican Council:

"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom."

Do you dissent from the above?

Vox Cantoris said...

Moslems are individual human beings. They should be esteemed as any human being. Islam "links itself" with Abraham that does not mean that it is a fact. What we are seeing today with ISIS is the real Islam. The proof is history and the first 100 years after the death of Mahomet. Nearly all Christians except for pockets in my ancestral land of Lebanon and the Copts in Egypt were murdered in the same way as ISIS acts today. This is not a faith from the One True God. Mahommet was an antichrist for "he who denies Christ is an antichrist."

Do I dissent?

Vox Cantoris said...

Are you putting me to the test?

Put these to the test!

“Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian faith is lost, like your false prophet Muhammad.”

-St. Peter Mavimenus (d. 8th century), martyr from Gaza. Response reported in the Martyriologum Romanum when he was asked to convert to Islam by a group of Muslims.



“There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist…. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration.”

Vox Cantoris said...

-St. John Damascene (d. 749), Syrian Arab Catholic monk and scholar. Quoted from his book On Heresies under the section On the Heresy of the Ishmaelites (in The Fathers of the Church. Vol. 37. Translated by the Catholic University of America. CUA Press. 1958. Pages 153-160.)

“We profess Christ to be truly God and your prophet to be a precursor of the Antichrist and other profane doctrine.”

-Sts. Habenitus, Jeremiah, Peter, Sabinian, Walabonsus, and Wistremundus (d. 851), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death.

Vox Cantoris said...


“Any cult which denies the divinity of Christ, does not profess the existence of the Holy Trinity, refutes baptism, defames Christians, and derogates the priesthood, we consider to be damned.”

-Sts. Aurelius, Felix, George, Liliosa, and Natalia (d. 852), martyrs of Cordoba, Spain. Reported in the Memoriale Sanctorum in response to Spanish Umayyad Caliph ‘Abd Ar-Rahman II’s ministers that they convert to Islam on pain of death.

“On the other hand, those who founded sects committed to erroneous doctrines proceeded in a way that is opposite to this, the point is clear in the case of Muhammad. He seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh goads us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected, he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the contrary, Muhammad said that he was sent in the power of his arms—which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.”

-St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274), Theologian and Doctor of the Church. Quoted from his De Rationibus Fidei Contra Saracenos, Graecos, et Armenos and translated from Fr. Damian Fehlner’s Aquinas on Reasons for the Faith: Against the Muslims, Greeks, and Armenians (Franciscans of the Immaculate. 2002.).

“As we have seen, Muhammed had neither supernatural miracles nor natural motives of reason to persuade those of his sect. As he lacked in everything, he took to bestial and barbaric means, which is the force of arms. Thus he introduced and promulgated his message with robberies, murders, and bloodshedding, destroying those who did not want to receive it, and with the same means his ministers conserve this today, until God placates his anger and destroys this pestilence from the earth.

[…]

(Muhammad) can also be figured for the dragon in the same Apocalypse which says that the dragon swept up a third of the stars and hurled down a third to earth. Although this line is more appropriately understood concerning the Antichrist, Mohammed was his precursor – the prophet of Satan, father of the sons of haughtiness.

[…]

Even if all the things contained in his law were fables in philosophy and errors in theology, even for those who do not possess the light of reason, the very manners (Islam) teaches are from a school of vicious bestialities. (Muhammad) did not prove his new sect with any motive, having neither supernatural miracles nor natural reasons, but solely the force of arms, violence, fictions, lies, and carnal license. It remains an impious, blasphemous, vicious cult, an innovention of the devil, and the direct way into the fires of hell. It does not even merit the name of being called a religion.”

-St. Juan de Ribera (d.1611), Archbishop of Valencia, missionary to Spanish Muslims, and organizer of the Muslim expulsions of 1609 from Spain. Quoted in several locations from his 1599 Catechismo para la Instruccion de los Nuevos Convertidos de los Moros (my translation).



“The Mahometan paradise, however, is only fit for beasts; for filthy sensual pleasure is all the believer has to expect there.”

St. Alfonsus Liguori (d. 1787). Quoted from his book, The History of Heresies and their Refutation.

Sop Spiritofpeace said...

Correction: Catholic Register is not a Catholic approved site. It is a propaganda site function as a tool to provide misinformation of the Catholic church. Essentially, to confused 80% of Catholics whom do not know the faith or doctrines.

Anonymous said...

Do you really want to go there? Do you want me to post what many saints had to say about Pamela Geller's co-religionists?

Aloysius Gonzaga said...

Useful idiots. Nothing in that Vatican II statement requires that Catholics pay respect of any degree to Mohammed. Anything from Vatican II needs to be interpreted in the light of sacred tradition.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

The L'Osservatore Romano piece reflects the Catholic Church's infatuation -- thanks to "Saint" John Paul II -- with ecumenical dialogue with Islam. That has led to what French-Catholic historian Alain Besancon called an "indulgent ecumenism," typified by Pope Francis' remarks immediately after the Paris shootings at the "Charlie Hedbo" office in January.

The Catholic Church views Islam as an ally against secularism. In so doing, however, Rome has effectively developed an approach that can be charitably described as appeasement.

Anything coming from the Vatican regarding Islam has to be viewed in that light.

viterbo said...

@Anonymous. We, as Catholics, must adhere to the infallible Magisterium of Holy Mother Church. Therefore you and me and the Toronoto CR people and the L'Osservatore Romano have an obligation to 'dissent' from the blasphemous 'pastorality' of VII, and hold to the Faith unadulterated.

http://youtu.be/jQIpYHQZz1o

For anyone to suggest one could blaspheme against a false prophet/satan is itself an appalling blasphemy against the Holy Trinity, that is to say the Catholic God, Who is the only True God.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Christians of all stripes, Catholic and otherwise, need to know only one thing about Islam: It justifies murder in the name of God, which is a direct violation of the Second Commandment. It should not be surprising that the educated idiots in the Vatican (as well as elsewhere in Christianity) do not understand this. Christianity, as a whole, has devalued the seriousness of murder for the sake of intellectual fashion or cheap pseudo-forgiveness.

Catholic Mission said...

anonymous:
From the Second Vatican Council:
"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems...
Do you dissent from the above?

Lionel:
No. There are are good things in other religions but the religions are not paths to salvation.

The Catholic Church in Vatican Council II teaches that Islam/ Islamism is not a path to salvation and their members need 'faith and baptism' (AG 7,LG 14) for salvation ( to avoid the fires of Hell).

Vatican Council II on Muslims
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/12/vatican-council-ii-on-muslims.html

Mohammad in Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/09/mohammad-in-vatican-council-ii.html

USCCB statements on Vatican Council and Islam omits Ad Gentes 7
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/06/usccb-statements-on-vatican-council-and.html

DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACH THAT MUSLIMS ARE SAVED ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/does-catholic-church-teach-that-muslims.html

VATICAN COUNCIL II INDICATES ISLAM IS NOT A PATH TO SALVATION
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/09/vatican-council-ii-indicates-islam-is.html

Muslim professors must know exactly what are the teachings of the Catholic Church about Islam and other religions, before and after Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/muslim-professors-must-know-exactly.html

WHAT DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACH ABOUT ISLAM: VATICAN COUNCIL II INDICATES THE PROPHET AND MUSLIMS ARE LOST

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/02/what-does-catholic-church-teach-about.html

-Lionel Andrades

Vox Cantoris said...

Anonymous: The Saints have said many things about Pamela Geller's "co-religionists" but that is not what this post is about.

This post is about the use of the word "blasphemy" for someone other than God, Three in One and One in Three.

Mahomet, if he even existed, was a man and a very flawed one at that. He was certainly no prophet unless we want to consider him a prophet of Satan.

He was a warlord, a murderer, a child-rapist, possibly a sodomite, a thief and a scoundrel. He was not man of God. The religion he founded was at best, heretical Christianity and at worst, well, we see the worst.

It is a diabolical force and has been allowed by God to be a chastisement upon us for our sins and disobedience as Israel in the past was chastised.

Are there good Muslims? Of course, just as there are bad Catholics. But, if a Muslim is "good" it is not because of his religion, it is in spite of it. It is because of natural law and a conscience informed through it.

All Muslims must come to Christ and His Church or be lost as there is no salvation outside of Her. Can God act outside of His Sacraments? Yes. But if a Moslem is saved by God it is through His Church and His own will.

The Church has engaged for 50 years in an ecumenical and dialogic farce. She meets with Lutheran women "bishopettes" and allows heathens to pray to a false god in the Vatican. She has not preached Christ but has left these people in their darkness.

I am of Lebanese ancestry, I am not an expert. But you cannot tell me that the allah to whom they pray is the Allah of the Maronites or the Chaldeans or the Melkites! Their allah has more in common with the moon god of Arabia than He of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!



Aged parent said...

This might be of interest:

http://catholicism.org/pamela-geller-dares-the-jihadi-devil.html

The quote in the piece by the Lebanese monk, Brother Francis, is particularly apt.

Armigerous said...

Well,if some medieval 3rd world barbarian wants to bown down to a meteorite in the middle of the Arabian desert by sticking his behind in the air like punk so he can honor some illiterate,mass murdering pedophile who claimed to be the messenger of some obscure Arabian moon "god",that's fine with me....personally,I use a page from the koran every time I have to take a mohammed...it's just soooo much softer than Charmin

Anonymous said...


The above report by Catholic Mission (Lionel Andrades) was one of the last reports on the blog Eucharist and Mission ( Lionel's Blog) which Google has shut down.
-Lionel Andrades

http://catholicforum.forumotion.com/t1280-google-closes-down-blog-eucharist-and-mission