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Bp Athanasius Schneider & Dr Taylor Marshall discuss Theology and Liturgy
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ? It does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.
2.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)? The same reason as above. It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD),invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/domande-e-risposte-sul-linterpretazione.html
In this video above Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that we do not know of any literal case of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times. If someone was saved as such it would only be known to God.In an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall he spoke about the need for evangelisation with a call for conversion. He also indicated that Lumen Gentium 14(baptism of desire) did not refer to a literal case in the present times (2021).It is a hypothetical case.Though he did not mention LG 14. For me Lumen Gentium 16 also is not a literal case in 2021.So LG 14, LG 16, LG 8 etc will not be practical exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Mission could not exclude any non Catholic. Protestants too. Bishop Schneider's concept of Mission differs from the New Evangelisation of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. Their New Theology is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with a fake premise.Without known examples of salvation outside the Church there is no more the traditional exclusivism.So the New Evangelisation is Christocentric with no Ecclesiocentrism.It is Jesus without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Similarly the New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology is based upon the interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc) without the rational premise.They need the irrational premise to create all this new stuff. Bishop Schneider avoids this error in the interview with Taylor Marshall when he refers to the baptism of desire, as being invisible.
WE ARE IN AN IMPORTANT TIME IN THE CHURCH. THERE IS A BREAK THROUGH TOWARDS CATHOLIC TRADITION.SOMETHING NEW HAS BEEN DISCOVERED. We are in an important time in the Church.There is a breakthrough towards Catholic Tradition.This is not with standing what we see and hear all around us.Something new has been discovered.It is not really new. It was there before before all of us all the time but it was not noticed. It is the discovery of an unknown objective error.It is responsible for the liberalism in the Church. Now we can check that liberalism.It has has been attributed to Vatican Council II.But the specific cause was not known. The new disovery is not a new theology or some new philosophy. It is simply discovering an empirical error being made by just about every one in the Catholic Church.It was a wrong way of physically looking at things and then creating a New Theology upon this practical error. So now we simply do not look at things in the wrong way and we do not create the New Theology.And just this way of looking takes us back to the traditional Catholic Theology.Nothing is added. We still have the same Vatican Council II before us. No changes are to be made.But we simply look at the Council differently.And theology changes. It goes back to the past times.The Middle Ages and the Church Fathers. This is going to change newspaper headlines and reports on Vatican Council II.They may not like the Council any more.But there will be no choice. Since only one rational interpretation is possible. Only one. And now they are all using the irrational one.It is no more an option. Since now we know. The people know. There is no more a break with Tradition in the name of Vatican Council II.This is irrespective if the Mass is in Latin or the vernacular.The whole Church theologically will have to go back to Tradition. Pope Francis will no longer be able to use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and force it upon the Church. There now is an alternative.More people are getting to know about it.The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith does not have a monopoly on the interpretation.They have been choosing an irrational version of Vatican Council II for political reasons.The whole Church has been following them thinking this was Magisterial. But now we know that the irrational interpretation, which is a break with the past Magisterium cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit. It is human error. After over 50 years we are on an even keel on Vatican Council II. It is no longer a problem. –Lionel Andrades Lionel Andrades We have a new interpretation of Vatican Council II.The Council is dogmatic and not only pastoral.There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II.One is rational and the other is irrational. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, with a false premise, cannot be Magisterial. It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.There are two interpretations of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. One with the fake premise and the other without it. Why should Catholics choose an irrational version ? It is also heretical, non traditional and schismatic. There is a rational option which is traditional.There is no break with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission ) E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER AND DR.TAYLOR MARSHALL SAY THERE ARE NO LITERAL CASES OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE BUT THE GERMAN SYNODAL pATH IS BASED UPON THERE BEING LITERAL CASES OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE(LG 14)based upon there being literal cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) in the present times
Bishop Athanasius Schneider in an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall has said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire in the present times(2021). So LG 14 ( Case of the Catechumen) would be a hypothetical and speculative case only. But for Cardinal Marx this is not his interpretation of Vatican Council II upon which is based the German Synodal Way.For him LG 14 and also LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22, LG 16,LG 8 would refer to literal cases of non Catholics in the present times (1965-2021) saved without ‘faith and baptism’(AG 7), outside the Church. It is only in this way that he can avoid affirming Catholic Tradition (EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc). If the Germans interpreted LG 14 like Bishop Athanasius Schneider there would be no theological bases for the German Synodal Breakaway. In France, Bishop Roland Mitterand in Dijon, wrote his books on the Concordats and the theology of religious pluralism by interpreting LG 14 irrationally.The French Bishops’ Conference must be asked to clarify that the baptism of desire is always hypothetical, theoretical and invisible for us human beings.In principle, hypothetical cases of LG 14, LG 16 etc cannot be practical exceptions in 2021 to Tradition ( Catechism of Pope Pius X, Council of Trent etc). Like the French, Cardinal Peter Erdo in Hungary and the Hungarian Bishops’ Conference, could also be confusing the “implicit baptism of desire” of St. Thomas Aquinas as being explicit in the present times. In Poland, the National Catechetical Center is in schism with the past Magisterium, since with visible cases of the baptism of desire, a hermeneutic of rupture is created with the Athanasius Creed, the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q).They need to issue a statement on this issue. Their Episcopal Conference, like those all over the world, interpret the baptism of desire with a fake and not rational premise . So there is a fake break with Catholic Tradition. The Schneider-Marshall video is really asking the U.S bishops to be ethical and honest.They are saying that the cardinals and bishops in Britain are also dishonest, when they project the baptism of desire as an exception to EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century. The bishops in Switzerland had also been asking the Society of St. Pius X to interpret the baptism of desire with the irrationality mentioned by Bishop Schneider, and then to accept the non traditional conclusion.This is not Catholic. Pope Benedict did not grant canonical recognition to the SSPX and said it was a doctrinal issue.Bishop Charles Morerod in Switzerland would not allow the SSPX to use the churches there, and said it was a doctrinal issue. They had to continue to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and accept the non traditional conclusion, like the liberals. Pope Benedict needs to be honest.He needs to apologize to the SSPX.-Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 28, 2021 Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that there are no known literal cases of the baptism of desire in our human reality but Cardinal Ratzinger wrote Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus with there being literally known cases of being saved with the baptism of desire https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-has-said_28.html
AUGUST 26, 2021 Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall directly oppose Pope Francis on the New Theology : Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition when the premise is rational https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-schneider-and-dr-taylor-marshall.html
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QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
It does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.
2.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?
The same reason as above. It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD),invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/domande-e-risposte-sul-linterpretazione.html
In this video above Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that we do not know of any literal case of someone saved with the baptism of desire in the present times. If someone was saved as such it would only be known to God.In an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall he spoke about the need for evangelisation with a call for conversion.
He also indicated that Lumen Gentium 14(baptism of desire) did not refer to a literal case in the present times (2021).It is a hypothetical case.Though he did not mention LG 14.
For me Lumen Gentium 16 also is not a literal case in 2021.So LG 14, LG 16, LG 8 etc will not be practical exceptions to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So Mission could not exclude any non Catholic. Protestants too.
Bishop Schneider's concept of Mission differs from the New Evangelisation of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis. Their New Theology is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with a fake premise.Without known examples of salvation outside the Church there is no more the traditional exclusivism.So the New Evangelisation is Christocentric with no Ecclesiocentrism.It is Jesus without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Similarly the New Ecumenism and New Ecclesiology is based upon the interpretation of Vatican Council II(LG 14 etc) without the rational premise.They need the irrational premise to create all this new stuff. Bishop Schneider avoids this error in the interview with Taylor Marshall when he refers to the baptism of desire, as being invisible.
WE ARE IN AN IMPORTANT TIME IN THE CHURCH. THERE IS A BREAK THROUGH TOWARDS CATHOLIC TRADITION.SOMETHING NEW HAS BEEN DISCOVERED.
We are in an important time in the Church.There is a breakthrough towards Catholic Tradition.This is not with standing what we see and hear all around us.Something new has been discovered.It is not really new. It was there before before all of us all the time but it was not noticed. It is the discovery of an unknown objective error.It is responsible for the liberalism in the Church. Now we can check that liberalism.It has has been attributed to Vatican Council II.But the specific cause was not known.
The new disovery is not a new theology or some new philosophy. It is simply discovering an empirical error being made by just about every one in the Catholic Church.It was a wrong way of physically looking at things and then creating a New Theology upon this practical error.
So now we simply do not look at things in the wrong way and we do not create the New Theology.And just this way of looking takes us back to the traditional Catholic Theology.Nothing is added.
We still have the same Vatican Council II before us. No changes are to be made.But we simply look at the Council differently.And theology changes. It goes back to the past times.The Middle Ages and the Church Fathers.
This is going to change newspaper headlines and reports on Vatican Council II.They may not like the Council any more.But there will be no choice. Since only one rational interpretation is possible. Only one. And now they are all using the irrational one.It is no more an option. Since now we know. The people know.
There is no more a break with Tradition in the name of Vatican Council II.This is irrespective if the Mass is in Latin or the vernacular.The whole Church theologically will have to go back to Tradition.
Pope Francis will no longer be able to use the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and force it upon the Church. There now is an alternative.More people are getting to know about it.The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith does not have a monopoly on the interpretation.They have been choosing an irrational version of Vatican Council II for political reasons.The whole Church has been following them thinking this was Magisterial. But now we know that the irrational interpretation, which is a break with the past Magisterium cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit. It is human error.
After over 50 years we are on an even keel on Vatican Council II. It is no longer a problem. –Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades
We have a new interpretation of Vatican Council II.The Council is dogmatic and not only pastoral.There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II.One is rational and the other is irrational. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, with a false premise, cannot be Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.There are two interpretations of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. One with the fake premise and the other without it.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version ? It is also heretical, non traditional and schismatic.
There is a rational option which is traditional.There is no break with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission )
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
BISHOP ATHANASIUS SCHNEIDER AND DR.TAYLOR MARSHALL SAY THERE ARE NO LITERAL CASES OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE BUT THE GERMAN SYNODAL pATH IS BASED UPON THERE BEING LITERAL CASES OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE(LG 14)based upon there being literal cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) in the present times
Bishop Athanasius Schneider in an interview with Dr. Taylor Marshall has said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire in the present times(2021). So LG 14 ( Case of the Catechumen) would be a hypothetical and speculative case only. But for Cardinal Marx this is not his interpretation of Vatican Council II upon which is based the German Synodal Way.For him LG 14 and also LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22, LG 16,LG 8 would refer to literal cases of non Catholics in the present times (1965-2021) saved without ‘faith and baptism’(AG 7), outside the Church. It is only in this way that he can avoid affirming Catholic Tradition (EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc).
If the Germans interpreted LG 14 like Bishop Athanasius Schneider there would be no theological bases for the German Synodal Breakaway.
In France, Bishop Roland Mitterand in Dijon, wrote his books on the Concordats and the theology of religious pluralism by interpreting LG 14 irrationally.The French Bishops’ Conference must be asked to clarify that the baptism of desire is always hypothetical, theoretical and invisible for us human beings.In principle, hypothetical cases of LG 14, LG 16 etc cannot be practical exceptions in 2021 to Tradition ( Catechism of Pope Pius X, Council of Trent etc).
Like the French, Cardinal Peter Erdo in Hungary and the Hungarian Bishops’ Conference, could also be confusing the “implicit baptism of desire” of St. Thomas Aquinas as being explicit in the present times.
In Poland, the National Catechetical Center is in schism with the past Magisterium, since with visible cases of the baptism of desire, a hermeneutic of rupture is created with the Athanasius Creed, the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q).They need to issue a statement on this issue.
Their Episcopal Conference, like those all over the world, interpret the baptism of desire with a fake and not rational premise . So there is a fake break with Catholic Tradition.
The Schneider-Marshall video is really asking the U.S bishops to be ethical and honest.They are saying that the cardinals and bishops in Britain are also dishonest, when they project the baptism of desire as an exception to EENS according to the missionaries and Magisterium of the 16th century.
The bishops in Switzerland had also been asking the Society of St. Pius X to interpret the baptism of desire with the irrationality mentioned by Bishop Schneider, and then to accept the non traditional conclusion.This is not Catholic.
Pope Benedict did not grant canonical recognition to the SSPX and said it was a doctrinal issue.Bishop Charles Morerod in Switzerland would not allow the SSPX to use the churches there, and said it was a doctrinal issue. They had to continue to interpret Vatican Council II with the false premise and accept the non traditional conclusion, like the liberals.
Pope Benedict needs to be honest.He needs to apologize to the SSPX.-Lionel Andrades
AUGUST 28, 2021
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has said that there are no known literal cases of the baptism of desire in our human reality but Cardinal Ratzinger wrote Redemptoris Missio and Dominus Iesus with there being literally known cases of being saved with the baptism of desire
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-athanasius-schneider-has-said_28.html
AUGUST 26, 2021
Bishop Schneider and Dr. Taylor Marshall directly oppose Pope Francis on the New Theology : Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition when the premise is rational
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/bishop-schneider-and-dr-taylor-marshall.html
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