Thursday, 25 August 2016

Yes, if you believe in women deacons, you are an apostate

As you probably have concluded, unlike Mark P. Shea, I don't generally fight with people in my combox. I post and you express your opinion. I don't argue with you for clickbait, which wouldn't matter because unlike those at Pathetic dot com and those such as Shea, Fisher, Schimek and others, I do not get paid for this. I have a real job.

What I will say is that if you are going to hit me, I am going to hit you back, in the manner of Donald J. Trump.


So, here it comes.


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I have posted a few times on the matter of deaconettes/deaconesses. Let us be clear, there were no women deacons in any ordained ministry or liturgical role. Those who tell you otherwise are liars. Those who advocate for this are apostatising from the Catholic faith. This includes Phyllis Zagano and James Martin, S.J., and any other advocate no matter what colour of cassock they wear, if they were to even wear one.

Let us be clear. Any Catholic who believes that women can be ordained are apostates and do not believe that Our Lord Jesus Christ is God. It is that simple. Jesus is God incarnate. He was not bound by the culture of his time. If Jesus wanted to ordain women as priests he would have done so. He did not. Nor did he do this and the Holy Apostles and Evangelists covered it up. They did not go to their deaths for a lie, they went for the ultimate Truth. Had Jesus wanted women ordained as priests or deacons to fulfil a ministerial or liturgical role than the Apostles would have done it, recorded it, the Early Church would have adopted it and this post would not be written. Period. 

The matter is closed, John Paul II, a Pope declared a Saint by Francis affirmed this. Francis' re-opening of the debate can at best be described as, mischief.

All this being said, including the combox remarks. if someone, particularly "anonymous" wishes to argue with me or disrespect me, let me be clear. you do not get the last word. I do.

This is my blog. If you don't like it, then go read John 6 and do it. 

What I find most interesting though is that this blog and many, many others of better quality are really making people angry, making Satan angry. We are, in fact, succeeding. If we were not, then the tirade of comments that I have been receiving as of late, in these slow blog reader days of August, would not be happening. 

The discussion below is not from my Canonist but what I find interesting is that I suspect that it is from a priest. Why? This quote: "You want to obsess on Tridentine liturgy, go ahead. No one is listening." 

In discussion with a good friend, he has opined that some who are "obsess" about the "Tridentine liturgy" have what one might say is "all lace and no grace." It is entirely show. This person, if a priest as I suspect, is one of those who is all lace and no grace, though, I doubt that there is even any grace. One can be "obsessed" about Tridentine liturgy but not convicted as a Catholic, it is done without context. What this comment shows it that this person is that. Typically, in many dioceses, the chancery officials don't care if you celebrate a Latin EF Mass here and there, "it's all worship" as one Monsignor has said to me. But if that priest preaches on abortion, sodomy, adultery, proper reception of Holy Communion, or moves the tabernacle to the middle of the sanctuary, faces it or makes it possible for people to kneel, then watch out. As one priest known to me was recently told, "this is Canada, not Rome."

What these people are afraid of is that they see the future and realise that it is a collapse of everything they believe in. They don't believe in Christ, they don't believe in supernatural faith. They are modernists and syncretists and as far as Jesus goes, they are at best, Arians. 

We are winning friends, it may not look like it but we are and my friend below does not get the last word, I do.

Anonymous said...
Misogyny, even when shouted from the steeple of a church, is still misogyny.
1:33 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
It has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with ontology. Clearly, you don't get it.
2:30 pm, August 24, 2016
Anonymous said...
You can fishwrap it any way you want to disguise it, but it's all mansplaining - not christianity.
5:50 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
"Fishwrap?" You have the wrong place.
Now, you are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.
5:59 pm, August 24, 2016
Anonymous said...
You want to obsess on Tridentine liturgy, go ahead. No one is listening.
But to state that Phyllis Zagano is an apostate relegates this blog to the status of fishwrap my friend.
They still have a few old school confessionals left in Canada I believe...
11:10 pm, August 24, 2016
Vox Cantoris said...
Sorry, my anonymous coward, as for your last, you do not get the last word on this blog!
See this morning's post.

6 comments:

Peter Lamb said...

Go Vox! Go Trump! :)

Ana Milan said...

The word Priestess always bring to mind pagan rituals which are anti-Christian & bear no scrutiny within the framework Christ established for His Church which was based on His manhood. If our priests to-day are very effeminate the answer is not to be found in introducing women into such roles - rather the opposite. Neutering the role of the priest (or deacon) is going against God's wish for His Church & is a purely secular notion which cannot be found in Scripture. Again, it is just mischief to give the impression that such roles within the CC can be bandied about willy nilly. I wonder if PF has considered the financial cost of forming a Commission to study a factual reality that cannot be overturned, especially as he promotes himself as being the humblest person on earth with a deep love of the poor? Think of the money that will be squandered in order to satisfy the LGBT community who are behind this ridiculous concept, who don't live in accordance with the Ten Commandments & have no intention of so doing.

The whole idea is a complete farce & should be scrapped. Why the silence from the entire Hierarchy on such an important issue? Are they all a bunch of effeminates as well or, worse still, heretics?

Felix M said...

As you say, it's about ontology.

Someone said to a friend of mine that he's a nice guy but belongs to a sexist religion. I think he should have responded that the problem is we belong to a sexist species.

Anonymous said...

That person's writing style is eerily familiar. I'll be on the lookout on other blogs for use of similar phrases.

Anonymous said...

Vox.

Thank you for fighting the good fight in defense of the Faith every day. There are times that I get discouraged and your blog, CFN and the Remnant help me stay spiritually focused.

If it's OK with you, may I suggest a few teeny amendations to your otherwise fabulous post:

"Jesus was God incarnate." can be:

"Jesus was, IS, and always will be God incarnate."

"...read John 6 and do it.".

Were you thinking of John 6: 68: "...Will you also go away?" (Please don't include me in that - I'd love to meet you in person one day!)

In Christ the King,

Margaret






You have excellent taste.








Anonymous said...

Pope laments 'black-and-white' mentality in priest-confessors. http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=29180&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories+%28Catholic+World+News+%28on+CatholicCulture.org%29%29