Note the similarity between the two. Note also that this homily was given whilst the Rome Life Forum organised by Voice of the Family was continuing. Is it possible that this rebuke was meant for these and the speakers, including Cardinals Caffara and Burke, Bishop Schneider and such luminous laymen as Prof. Roberto de Mattei?
The Bishop of Rome has said that the duty of the Church is to "clarify doctrine," and that the "spirit of the Gospel" must be better understood.
The "spirit of the Gospel." Have we not hear this before? The so-called "spirit of Vatican II?" There is no doctrine of Christ to be clarified. The Gospels are quite clear and the Church has had two thousand years to discuss and discern. There is nothing new to develop, nothing new to clarify, nothing new to determine. Nothing has changed. Adultery is what it is. Sodomy is what it is. Sin is what it is.
Think for a moment. How is it that in 2017 with all of our education, more than at any other time in human history, with the Internet and the information of the ages at our fingertips, how can it be that the Gospels now need clarification? The Holy Spirit does not change, what was true before is true now, what was a lie before is still a lie. It is blasphemy to think this.
What evil god would suddenly, in 2014 or 2017 change his truth for what came before? Only a false god, only an evil, diabolical god would do such a thing, only a flying-spaghetti monster in the sky would do such a thing and play tricks on the fools of humanity who for two millennia walked a certain path only to be enlightened now. Those fools, those idiots, those silly ancestors who actually fell for the lie of false god. Those silly deluded souls who did not have the "god of surprises" to lead them.
No. This is not of God, it is of the diabolical.
God does not change. God does not trick His people. God has not treated us as fools, nor has he abandoned us. But make no mistake, we have abandoned Him and by doing so we have left the Church so weak that it would be taken over by men who hate you, hate me and more than anything, hate Him.
The Church is in her greatest crisis since the Arian heresy. As St. Athanasius is reported to have said then, "They have the buildings, we have the Faith."
For this writer, the loyalty and docility to the Pope and Bishops goes only as far as their loyalty and docility to Our Lord Jesus Christ. Papolatry and episcoplatry is a sin. It is not Catholic. It is not from the Holy Spirit.
Praised be Jesus Christ, now and forever. Amen.
“So we are faced with two groups of people. The group of the apostles who want to discuss the problem, and the others who go and create problems. They divide, they divide the Church, they say that what the Apostles preached is not what Jesus said, that it is not the truth.”
"There were many [councils], up until Vatican II, which clarified doctrine: for example, when we recite the Creed, it is the result of councils that have defined doctrine… It is a duty of the Church to clarify doctrine so that what Jesus said in the Gospels is better understood, what is the Spirit of the Gospels…. "
"But there were always those people who, without any commission, goes out to disturb the Christian community with speeches that upset souls: ‘Eh, no, someone who says that is a heretic, you can’t say this, or that; this is the doctrine of the Church.’ And they are fanatics about things that are not clear, like these fanatics who go around there, sowing discord in order to divide the Christian community. And this is the problem: when the doctrine of the Church, that which comes from the Gospel, that which the Holy Spirit inspires – because Jesus said, 'He will teach us and remind you of all that I have taught’ – that doctrine becomes an ideology. And this is the great error of these people."
"We must not be frightened when we hear of the opinions of the ideologues of doctrine. The Church has its own Magisterium, the Magisterium of the Pope, of the Bishops, of the Councils, and we must go along the path that comes from the preaching of Jesus, and from the teaching and assistance of the Holy Spirit, it is always open, always free… this is the freedom of the Spirit, but in doctrine… doctrine unites, the councils always unite the Christian community… ideology divides… for them ideology is more important than doctrine: they leave aside the Holy Spirit."
"Today it falls to me to call for the grace of mature obedience to the Magisterium of the Church, that obedience to what the Church has always taught and there continues to teach us…. it develops the Gospel, explains it better each time, in fidelity to Peter, the bishops, and ultimately, to the Holy Spirit who guides and supports this process… to pray also for those who transform doctrine into ideology, so that the Lord may give them the grace of conversion to the unity of the Church, to the Holy Spirit and to true doctrine."
Sources: Vatican Radio, "Pope Francis: doctrine unites, ideology divides," May 19, 2017,
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/05/19/pope_francis_doctrine_unites,_ideology_divides/1313444.
L'Osservatore Romano, ed. quotidiana, Anno CLVII, n.116, 20/05/2017, http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/it/cotidie/2017/documents/papa-francesco-cotidie_20170519_dottrina-e-ideologia.html- See more at:http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2017/05/pope-francis-condemns-catholic-fanatics.html#sthash.WDIsRsgo.dpuf
23 comments:
Great advice was given me by a faithful older Catholic ... I was getting crazy over Francis nonsense when this person told me, ( 2 yrs ago)
"Just follow Burke".
I have and I still have my Faith and an example of humility to follow in Raymond Cardinal Burke.
An aside: there is a reason this is the first Jesuit Pope in the Church. Enough said.
I can only say that the Diabolical is in the Vatican.Lord Help us.
Amen.
I'm waiting for Mark Thomas to return and tell us how wonderful Francis is somehow still.
Evidently when Pope Francis speaks of those "fanatics" who make an "ideology" out of doctrine, he means that they believe and promote what the Church has taught for 2000 years.
Pope Francis is the personification of the smoke of Satan we have heard so much about.
Following in the footsteps of Borgolio's youth we can verify that he was indoctrinated in the school of Karl Marx within the Argentine university movements. This was very common in universities infiltrated by the KGB and was the conquering style of youth because it benefited the least intellectuals.
In fact Borgolio was never Catholic after the second year of college. Communist agents in their campaign have used these cells for the future. See your visits and prayers with the Protestants already as the bishop.
We can proclaim on all sides "We have a Pope not Catholic" Hallelujah.
So let's conclude:
JXXIII - 14 brothers (human misery drives the families to the left)
Paul VI - You can read what you know of it just do Google. He was a Jew.
JPII - He was my hero throughout his life. After some friends from Poland and pictures with married lady camping ... the creator of the New Advent Church, the new catechism and many other things.
BXVI - The greatest modernizer after CVII.
Francis - The non-Catholic pope in the Vatican. The biggest stupid who ever spoke of the pulpit. I try not hear him not to vomit.
Video @ 46 seconds hits the nail on the head.There is something is seriously diabolical with Jorge Bergolio.
doctrine unites . . . ideology divides
What does that even mean? What if the ideology and the doctrine profess the same thing? This has to be one of the more fatuous sound-bites I have ever come across.
I grew up as a Roman Catholic. But when I grew up and started listening to their preachings I knew something was wrong. First to all I noticed that they - the Roman Catholic Church - has changed the 10 Commandments to fit their teachings. They deleted the 2nd. - Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, ..." to make people to worship their created saints. They deleted the 4th. Commandment - Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.." and the created their own day of worship calling it "the day of the Lord - Sunday" the first day of the week. Thus making people deny the worship of God on His designated day. I would say, read the Bible and make a stand. Whom shall you worship - God or men. The choice is ours.
Calumny is grave matter, the Pope spoke against attacking people over doctrine, not holding doctrine, as fanatical.
Our Lady said that the Catholic Church would be eclipsed by a church of darkness. No body can eclipse itself. There have to be two bodies for one to be able to eclipse the other. So how can the Catholic Church be eclipsing itself? No, the Catholic Church is being eclipsed by a separate, independent luciferian, judeo-masonic sect - the NWO church of darkness. Two separate, opposing entities - the Catholic Church in the fields and the satanic sect in Rome.
The Catholic Church is being scourged in its Passion. Is it scourging itself? Is the Vicar of Christ scourging the Body of Christ?
Is bergoglio the Vicar of Christ and the vicar of satan, at the same time? Well, according to the R&R position, the answer is "Yes." Does that make sense?
Our Lord said that a house divided against itself will fall. Is the Catholic Church about to fall? To answer in the affirmative, is to speak blasphemy. The Catholic Church will endure until the end of time - Our Lord promised so. So how can the Catholic Church be divided against itself?
There are two entities - the Catholic Church and the NWO church.
Which one do you attend?
Did anybody notice the black altar and the black seats for the clergy at bergoglio's centenary "mass" at Fatima? Notice he was sporting the satanic pallium with six black crosses symbolizing the cult of man, the cult of phallus and the cult of lucifer? No more the five red crosses symbolizing the Wounds of Christ! The Patriarch of the World. The Abomination of Desolation!
Doctrine is passe Canon law is the affirmative. So it seems
The only people creating problems & dividing the One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church are the Marxist/Masonic/Modernists that have usurped its Papal Office & Hierarchy since VII. They only hold their positions of power to shatter the Deposit of Faith, Magisterium & Tradition which the successors of St. Peter & the First Apostles taught & held fast to for over two thousand years but which no longer fits with the NWO agenda.
Never did a successor of St.Peter say there was no Catholic God, no Hell & that the adherents of the True Faith were the same as infidels, abortionists, pro-abort population controllers, LGBTQ activists etc. Such mindsets are completely & utterly contrary to the Ten Commandments & Scripture & cannot ever be catered for by way of reducing culpability & changing praxis which in turn will change Catholic Doctrine. They are satanic ideologies & PF should be preaching against them & upholding the Truth.
It is he & his supporters who "are the fanatics about things that are not clear, such as these fanatics who go about there, sowing discord in order to divide the Christian community". If PF can't or won't clear the ambiguity engulfing AL & continues each day to preach against Catholicism, refusing to intervene on behalf of incarcerated Christians suffering for the faith, the unborn, disabled & elderly, the Islamization of Europe & world, & keeps refusing to evangelise, then he isn't fit for purpose. The formal correction should be publicly made & all hidden supporters of it make themselves known. This is the final battle which Christ will win, so what are they afraid of?
Tomato Tomahto fanatic heretic; at this point Pope Pancho, "what difference does it really make????
I agree with the Pope. Many traditionalist are attacking the Pope and you guys are wrong if you don't want to be called fanatics then don't act like it.
From where I'm standing, the only fanatics present are on the ones on the other side of the fence. Career priests, really. Here, once again, we have a twisting of words.
We are been groomed for a one world religion,the only obstacle is Catholic Doctrine ,those who hold to it will be classed as fanatics,and enemies of the brotherhood of Man.The same is true of national identity ,and even sexual identity.We are seeing social engineering on a scale never before seen.
Dear Vox,
If my embracing the catholic faith, history, traditional culture, and the SOCIAL KINGSHIP OF CHRIST makes me a fanatic, then, I am a fanatic.
Thanks be to God,
Fox
I honestly cannot figure this man out. One minute he seems to support tradition, then he releases a message or appoints someone who is clearly heretical. He pushes his agenda on the environment while ignoring the abuse scandal. He seems to reluctantly support the new documents on human sexuality which we all praise because most of us were petrified that he would add something counter to Scripture. What does that say about our faith in him as lead shepherd if we expect the worst and are only pleasantly surprised when he doesn't disappoint us?
The Pope did just send a pretty serious correction to the "always on the verge of schism" German church. So one could think that these comments are directed their way, yet his finger prints are all over the Order of Malta banning the Latin Rite. The pro-Tradition, pro-structure movement in the Church is youth driven it is the Baby Boomer Generation and their minions in the Millennial Generation that are pushing Mercy, Independence, and "clarification." (Read heresy).
I pray daily for God's will and hope that it includes Cardinal Sarah on Peter's Chair soon. He is the next St. Athanasius.
Bergolio should RESIGN, RETIRE or be REMOVED from office. Luther stamps and statues in the Vatican , sellout of faithful in red china by Parolin and Bergoglio...Not to mention homosexuals protected and advanced by B. F..Examples are Grassi .Zunchetta and Cocopalmeiro in Arg. Soto, Mahoney ..Martin amer. Mgz and Mccarrick in the usa. Bring back Pope Benedict 16 th. or pick a .New and a real catholic pope not the cino charlatan we have in the papacy now.
Well said.
Dear faithful people. As a lot of you,know. The book of truth revealed all this tragedy bevorhand and Jesus let us know through his warning Messages which corelate with the Bibel, book of Daniel and Relevation that Francis is the FALSE PROPHET. which was predicted in The book of Thruth. Everything what is Happening right know is written down there and how we shall behave and proceed. Special crusade prayers. Since 2011. Take care and God bless. Now is the time to take it serious. http://thebookoftruthonline.blogspot.com/
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