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Thursday, 23 July 2015

Deodorant needed against Clericalist dis-odour


Basilian Father, Thomas J. Rosica, spoke recently at the annual assembly of the American Association of Priests, a rather dubious organisation of clerics without clericals still opining about their issues with the Third Edition of the Roman Missal correctly translated and helping the nuns on the bus, in between advocating for women deacons. The whole speech has been made available by this cleric at Zenit and here is this little gem as GloriaTV reports:
Wrong Smell: Father Thomas Rosica, the CEO of the liberal Canadian Salt and Light Catholic Media Foundation and English language Media Attach茅 to the Holy See Press Office has claimed in a keynote address delivered in St. Louis, Missouri on June 30th, that – quote – “the Church must smell like the world it penetrates.” In sharp contradiction to Rosica, Saint Paul writes in 2 Cor 2,14 of Christ who “through us spreads in every place the fragrance that comes from knowing him.
The bolding of that quote above is also in the text as published by Zenit. Father Rosica must have clearly intended that quote to stand out. Well, let is stand, it says much. 

We've surely heard that we are to become like the Saints who exude the "odour of sanctity" and as St. Paul reminds us above, we are to become the "fragrance" of  Our Lord Jesus Christ.

I am quite sure that most faithful, practicing Catholics have no desire to smell like the world. Frankly, Father Rosica needs to stop telling us and the world what the Church needs to do, because he is wrong. 

What the Church needs to do is to preach that there is no salvation outside of the Church, that one must come to Jesus Christ in order to be saved lest one perish in Hell for all eternity. The Church must preach the Social Kingship of Christ, not the socialist, environmentalist and homosexualist/adulterist false gospel that has been shoved down our throats for decades.  The Church must re-catechise Its faithful, restore Her liturgy and speak the truth with clarity and charity. The Church must preach God's mercy but not apart from His justice. This generation, for the most part, of bishops and priests seem to have forgotten this. 

If Father Rosica or the Bishop of Rome himself wish to take on the smell of the world they are more than free to do so. They can take on any stench they like. However, the Church Herself, being the spotless Bride of Christ, has the odour of sanctity, perfumed with incense to adorn Her beauty. 

To say that the Church must take on the smell of the world is to corrupt Her with filth. It is to defile Her and they don't have the right to do that. 

Anymore. 

That is all.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Okay.....
"The Church must smell like the world it penetrates"? Really! That is loaded language if I ever have heard any.

Barona said...

St. John the Apostle spoke of "the world, the flesh and the devil".... a very nasty stench. No thank-you, Fr. Rosica. We are to purify and raise the sinful people in the world to repentance, to a return to the Gospel, to return to Our Lord and to admit sin.

Anonymous said...

An over-acting of vulgar speech. Seems its the new clerical way.

Gregory Maximus said...

Rosica is just pathetic and perverted using a word such as penetrates. Really! Can anyone imagine Jesus Christ talking this way. Its not from Christ. Its from Satan. He's promoting a false Christianity.

Anonymous said...


Catholics should not be afraid of the surrounding world in the cause of converting others from sin. If we are going to purify and raise 'the sinful people' in the world to repentance we must start with our own sinfulness.
Our Lord meant the same when he said he came to start a purifying fire and how he wished it was blazing already.
To use yet another metaphor, much digging and manure must be mixed into the dirty soil before the rose blooms and smells so beautifully.

torchofthefaith said...

And this phrasing has been heard before...

During a May conference - co-hosted by Georgetown, Marymount University in Arlington, Virginia and the Washington National Cathedral - Cardinal Luis Tagle uttered an almost identical phrase. He said it during a speech which suggested that Vatican II had moved the Church from self-focus to the needs of humanity.

Birds of a Feather? Also at that conference were Cardinal Walter Kasper and the infamous dissenter from Humanae Vitae, Fr. Charles Curran.

In March Cardinal Tagle was here in England to speak at the 'Flame 2' conference for young Catholics. He shared the floor with Cardinal Vincent Nichols and Fr. Tim Radcliffe OP. Many Catholic parents protested at the presence of Radcliffe, due to his pro-homosexualist writings. Also sharing the floor were the 'Podfathers' - one of whom threatened to sue the ''Faith in our Families'' blogger Clare Short when she critiqued his tweets on-line.

Michael Dowd said...

Very well said Vox. This is an example of an aspect of Modernism that blew into the Church following Vatican II. In case anyone needs a quick review of Modernist heresy, here a good summary by John Vannari he calls it 'Reject Modernism'. The three pillars of Modernism are Agnosticism, Vital Immanence and evolution of Dogma. The main means of communicating this heresy is through dialog and ambiguous pronouncements. See for yourself: http://rejectmodernism.com/2013/12/05/modernism-in-a-nutshell/

Gregory Maximus said...

The big question is: Is Rosica talking about the Homosexual Bishops and Cardinals at the Vatican and in the Church is he Rosica asking for more Homosexual Seminarians to be ordained in the Church?

Christoph Rebner said...

It is also written:

I Korinthian 9, 19 For being no indentured servant to any one of the Bnei Adam, I made myself a servant [working for nothing] to kol Bnei Adam, that I might win the more.

20 And I became to the Yehudim as a Yehudi, that I might win Yehudim; to the ones under Torah, I became as under Torah—not being myself under [the epoch of] Torah—that the ones under Torah I might win;

21 To the ones without Torah, as without Torah, though not being without the Torah of Hashem but being under Moshiach’s Torah [YESHAYAH 42:4], that I might win the ones without Torah.

22 I became weak to the weak ones that I might win the weak ones. I have become all things to kol Bnei Adam, that by all means I might save some.

Vox Cantoris said...

Saint Paul took it on. We meet people where they are and then point them to the Church, perfumed and glorious, not stinking of the world.

Damask Rose said...

“the Church must smell like the world it penetrates.”

I could say something rather rude about this comment, but I shall bite my tongue!

Isn't there something in the New Testament that says that the mouth shall speak as the mind thinks.

Reminds me of Padre Pio. Apparently one of his miracles was that if you prayed to him you would smell a scent of roses or flowers.

And there were saints that could smell the stench of sin on people.

They really are trying to turn the Faith upside down.

It's going to get worse.

Mal said...

In a letter to the Corinthians, Paul wrote: "But thanks be to God who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ and who makes known through us the fragrance that consists of the knowledge of him in every place"

It is this fragrance that should help to get rid of the smell of this world.

Anonymous said...


Fr Rosica's use of the word 'penetrate' seems to have evoked a certain response. Perhaps this says more about our clouded interpretation of words and symbols.

Kitchener Waterloo Traditional Catholic said...

Freudian slip?

FrereRabit said...

Having supported your blog in your earlier action contra Fr Roasica and successfully gained the involvement of Bishop Athanasius Schneider to advise you, I now find my own blog subject to a liberal attack, in a different and most surprising way. Please see my post:

http://brotherlapin.com/2015/07/25/the-last-catholic-blogpost/

David Roemer said...

Reasons to Believe in Jesus

Reasons to believe Jesus is alive in a new life with God can be found in quotes from two prominent atheists and a biology textbook.


Thus the passion of man is the reverse of that of Christ, for man loses himself as man in order that God may be born. But the idea of God is contradictory and we lose ourselves in vain. Man is a useless passion. (Jean-Paul Sartre, Being and Nothingness: A Phenomenological Essay on Ontology, New York: Washington Square Press, p. 784)

Among the traditional candidates for comprehensive understanding of the relation of mind to the physical world, I believe the weight of evidence favors some from of neutral monism over the traditional alternatives of materialism, idealism, and dualism. (Thomas Nagel, Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False, location 69 of 1831)

And certain properties of the human brain distinguish our species from all other animals. The human brain is, after all, the only known collection of matter that tries to understand itself. To most biologists, the brain and the mind are one and the same; understand how the brain is organized and how it works, and we’ll understand such mindful functions as abstract thought and feelings. Some philosophers are less comfortable with this mechanistic view of mind, finding Descartes’ concept of a mind-body duality more attractive. (Neil Campbell, Biology, 4th edition, p. 776 )

Sartre speaks of the "passion of man," not the passion of Christians. He is acknowledging that all religions east and west believe there is a transcendental reality and that perfect fulfillment comes from being united with this reality after we die. He then defines this passion with a reference to Christian doctrine which means he is acknowledging the historical reasons for believing in Jesus. He does not deny God exists. He is only saying the concept of God is contradictory. He then admits that since life ends in the grave, it has no meaning.


From the title of the book, you can see that Nagel understands that humans are embodied sprits and that the humans soul is spiritual. He says, however, that dualism and idealism are "traditional" alternatives to materialism. Dualism and idealism are just bright ideas from Descartes and Berkeley. The traditional alternative to materialism is monism. According to Thomas Aquinas unity is the transcendental property of being. Campbell does not even grasp the concept of monism. The only theories he grasps are dualism and materialism.


If all atheists were like Sartre, it would be an obstacle to faith. An important reason to believe in Jesus is that practically all atheists are like Nagel and Campbell, not like Sartre.


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FrereRabit said...

Further to my comment above, I have now linked to this story from my blog, as I see some common concerns here. I have also added the prayer of Saint Michael. Please take a moment this Sunday to join me saying the prayer of Saint Michael added at the end of my blogpost. Say the prayer for the protection of traditional Catholic bloggers like David Domet and many others, and pray for the protection of the Church against dissent within the Church, and against modernism and heresy. I have had to separate my Catholic activity now from my blog about my life with donkeys, for reasons explained, but the fight will continue elsewhere.

http://brotherlapin.com/2015/07/25/the-last-catholic-blogpost/

TLM said...

I'm sorry, but if we have 'misinterpreted' the words of Fr. Rosica it is for good reason. LOL.....he does NOT exactly have a good track record. It is as plain as the nose on your face that Fr. is a modernist through and through. We are NOT to 'take on the smell of the world'. We are to be IN the world but NOT OF the world. What he meant was that we should take on the values of the world in order to 'smell' like the world. I do believe he thinks we need to jump into the cesspool with the world. There is really no other way of interpreting his words.