Sunday, 25 September 2011

Not one penny!

With a "hat tip" to Mike for finding the post below -- More Idiocy from a Canadian Bishop -- on a reader or something, I have reposted it below. I had deleted it without intending to do so when cleaning up a few drafts.

The good Father in New Brunswick does not deserve this treatment at the hands of the Bishop of Bathurst.

...and speaking of bishops.

Today, at your church, there will be a second collection for the "Bishops of Canada." This collection goes to your diocese to offset the "tax" which the diocese (you) pays to the CCCB. If there is a shortage the diocese pays the total anyway.

So, why should we pay anything for the CCCB? They have set up another "hierarchy" between the Ordinary and the Pope and we have seen the results. No, not one penny for the CCCB and their Development and Peace or their not "too hard" Gloria.

Not one penny.

More idiocy from a Canadian Bishop!

by Vox Cantoris

For once, I am speechless.

BATHURST, New Brunswick, September 22, 2011 ( – The Catholic Diocese of Bathurst, New Brunswick has removed an elderly priest from active ministry after he caused a storm of controversy by denouncing homosexuality, cohabitation, and abortion in an August homily.

85-year-old Fr. Donat Gionet had retired to his home town of Caraquet in June to serve palliative care patients, and now laments that in his declining years he is being forced to celebrate Mass “in secret.”

Fr. Wesley Wade, the diocese’s vicar general, told Radio-Canada that Fr. Gionet’s comments were consistent with Church teaching, but lacked the proper “pastoral” sensitivity.

Read it all, here.

Here is the bishop's contact information:

Most Rev. (not in my mind!) Valéry Vienneau, Bishop of Bathurst
645, avenue Murray
C.P. 460
Bathurst, NB E2A 3Z4
Tel: (506) 546-1420
Fax: (506) 548-5565


Young Canadian RC Male said...

Hello Vox,

THanks for putting the post up and giving an explanation this time as to why it went down. I was worried something happened to you legally.

As per your little "campaign" for this weekend, glad to say here's what I did: I gave $5 to the 1st collection which was for the parish itself. It has 2 wonderful traditionally-minded priests who are trying to do their best in a modern-designed church with families who have been weakly catechized. I DID NOT give a single cent to the 2nd collection for the CCCB and passed the basket along. SO THERE!!!

However, Vox, my concern is this with your suggested campaign: You say that if there is a shortage the diocese pays the total anyway. This could mean bad news for parishes who aren't rich. If they have to offset deficits with their own money, this could look bad for parishes who don't have a lot of money, or on priests who are like the ones in the parish I went to who are "traditionally minded" but will be sacked by the chancery for financial misprudence, in combinatin with certain parishoners' complaints. Unless I got your explanation of the tax wrong, this could be problematic.

Anonymous said...

Vox: Why this rabbit hole? The Lay Leader and Music Workshops have started.

What's more important: picking public fights with bishops or taking advantage of this once in a lifetime chance to improve the English liturgy?

Young Canadian RC Male: $5 in the collection basket? Are you kidding me? The rule of thumb in my day as a student was the cost of movie ticket.

Anonymous said...

In other words, guys, we are all on the same team. Please let's stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

Vox Cantoris said...

YCRCM: The diocese makes up the difference, not the parishes. If they have to keep paying because we won't then maybe they'll demand a reduction in the tax and a massive reduction in the size and reach of the CCCB.

Anonymous: Sorry, this is not a rabbit hole. It is the CCCB that has produced a "hymnal" and commissioned Masses that are the antithesis of what is expected to renew the liturgy. It is the CCCB that thinks the Roman Missal Gloria is "too hard" for Canadians. It is the CCCB that perpetuates and obfuscated Development and Peace.

There is more than liturgy at stake here. A priest in Bathurst was suspended for speaking the truth. One in Texas was transferred from being Pastor to service four pastors in four different parishes. How's that?

No, it is about more than liturgy and yes, the liturgy is the tip of the spear but it is about more and we must not be afraid to say it. It is about taking back the Church and the culture from those who continue to attack it and to call out those from within.

Are we really on the same team?

No, I'm sorry, we are not.

Vox Cantoris said...

Further Anon:

This is not a "once in a lifetime chance to improve the liturgy."

This is about a corrected translation. The liturgy will still be a mess in many places notwithstanding and you can "improve" the liturgy even with the old translation.

Ad orientem.

Gregorian chant.

No Altar Girls.

Sung Mass.



These can all be done in the English liturgy now, we don't need a new translation for the above.

So my question.

Will the new translation bring about:

Ad orientem.

Gregorian chant.

No Altar Girls.

Sung Mass.




Anonymous said...

Granted that the liturgy could be improved without the new translation. But it hasn't.

The new translation gives the ordinary mass goer the opportunity to see the mass in the light.

The changes to the people's parts are the least of the changes. The changes to the Eucharistic prayers and the Propers are even more striking. And chant is part of the package.

The only perfect liturgy will be at the Supper of the Lord in heaven. Until then, we can only strive for good and better.

Vox Cantoris said...

Dear Aonymouns 8:59

It seems that you've missed my point.

The current 1975 GIRM calls for Gregorian chant as did in fact, the Second Vatican Council.

Perhaps the priests will take the time to properly undertake their responsibly and the laity will get educated.

But, we're talking here of the CCCB, right?

Get a copy of "Celebrate in Song" or go to and tell me if the liturgy will change for the better?

Yes it will, if we ignore the CCCB and go right to the GIRM and implement it in spite of the CCCB and its "professional liturgists" whom I could name but will let prudcence rule.

If you do not wish to reveal your identity then please write me privately at and we can discuss common strategies.



5:38 AM

Barona said...

... not even a farthing ...

Barona said...

I have personally urged Catholics to consider carefully before donating. My own preference is that one should seek out good and holy priests and directly support them.