tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post8679218445539661932..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: On Cardinal PellUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-77663855201834335932019-03-13T18:46:05.747-04:002019-03-13T18:46:05.747-04:00Someone is steering this show trial, just not sure...Someone is steering this show trial, just not sure who or why...Pell is guilty of cover ups, paying off victums and has been accused of other pedophilia cases not included in this strange trial. He lied on national television for all to see and somehow made it to a top Vatican position which has its own implications. Barnhard’s sources in the Vatican say Pell is a stone cold psychopath. Logically he is not clean no matter what ‘conservative’ values he might be projecting. AMalekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332138742805607376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-54169017158686872622019-03-09T23:53:46.117-05:002019-03-09T23:53:46.117-05:00"So, the enthusiasm with which Pell’s defende..."So, the enthusiasm with which Pell’s defenders — who include both ideological warriors and reasonable people — protest the cardinal’s innocence is misplaced. It’s one thing to wonder about whether justice was truly done in this case, but another thing altogether to protest the cardinal’s innocence (in arguments usually drawing from the defense’s case, which evidently failed to persuade the jury)."<br /><br />https://www.catholicsun.org/2019/03/08/why-defending-cardinal-pell-is-a-problem/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-64776312799638974942019-03-09T01:53:46.014-05:002019-03-09T01:53:46.014-05:00A little more commentary with clarity on Cdl Pell ...A little more commentary with clarity on Cdl Pell and Opus Dei.<br /><br />https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4404498638452030181&postID=8888920402564112527&bpli=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-13387705032382370072019-03-08T12:38:28.156-05:002019-03-08T12:38:28.156-05:00Aqua, Read Randy Engel's Rite of Sodomy to und...Aqua, Read Randy Engel's Rite of Sodomy to understand what is meant by "vanilla sex". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-11717245131441014572019-03-07T23:04:57.932-05:002019-03-07T23:04:57.932-05:00"Crowds of people?
Were you there?"Crowds of people? <br /><br />Were you there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-272116094130970172019-03-07T09:58:00.254-05:002019-03-07T09:58:00.254-05:00@ anonymous 11:56
Sodomy: unnatural sexual relat...@ anonymous 11:56<br /><br />Sodomy: unnatural sexual relations such as anal, oral, homosexual.<br /><br />Fondling from behind and oral copulation were the allegations - (while fully vested as Archbishop, moments after Mass, in the Cathedral, in the Sacristy, surrounded by crowds of people coming and going as usual after a Pontifical High Mass, and he uses the occasion to rape a boy who sang in his choir - the charges are outrageously stupid). Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-80167950239691720242019-03-07T09:30:59.495-05:002019-03-07T09:30:59.495-05:00Cdl Pell is not a conservative either. He is on th...Cdl Pell is not a conservative either. He is on the record denying the existance of Adam and Eve.<br />Google his talk.<br />Borgoglio chose him for a reason, just as he chose his other cardinal cabinet. Pell is blackmailable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-73453377977208385302019-03-06T23:56:28.298-05:002019-03-06T23:56:28.298-05:00Aqua , the charges brought were not sodomy. The ch...Aqua , the charges brought were not sodomy. The charges were for fondling and fellatio, or as Pell's attorney referred to them as "vanilla sex".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-47613634485017102302019-03-06T10:16:31.764-05:002019-03-06T10:16:31.764-05:00@ anonymous 9:40
Those are not proofs you provide...@ anonymous 9:40<br /><br />Those are not proofs you provide. I saw the video linked above. It was all similarly disgusting innuendo. <br /><br />“Pie in the sky” is referring to the innocence, of a now Catholic Cardinal, of the charge of buggering boys through his vestments as Archbishop near the Cathedral High Altar moments after Holy Mass.<br /><br />I would not use “Pie In The Sky”. I favor innocent until *proven* guilty. I have not seen proof. I want to see the 12-0 Jury’s work. What I’ve seen is similar to what you show above: innuendo and primarily *decades old* recovered memory charges. That doesn’t cut it for me. <br /><br />The charges are the most serious imaginable. If he is guilty, his crime is Judas level. Proof please.Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-78949951758816313982019-03-06T09:42:06.921-05:002019-03-06T09:42:06.921-05:00@ Iranaeus
In your carefully considered opinion, ...@ Iranaeus<br /><br />In your carefully considered opinion, what is the evidence that clearly establishes Cardinal Pell’s guilt as a sodomite child predator who raped boys in the Cathedral, close to the altar, in the fanny, while still vested as Archbishop for Holy Mass?<br /><br />Before I take the word of bigoted Catholic haters that a Catholic Cardinal did this exceedingly profane crime against God and boys, I need some evidence. I see no evidence. Perhaps you do. What do you have? <br /><br />Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-37172634416413607982019-03-06T09:40:51.738-05:002019-03-06T09:40:51.738-05:00Pell's position was NOT the second most powerf...Pell's position was NOT the second most powerful in the Vatican. The most powerful is Sec of State followed by the Papacy. <br />Note , Borgoglio surrounds himself with sodomites and like minded thinkers and supporters.<br />No one recanted an accusation on his deathbed as the Pell supporters are spreading in their pie in the sky narrative.<br />The one abused male spiraled down into heroine use and his other companion victim stood up for himself and the deceased. <br />Pell actually resided with the infamous Christian Brother abuser Riddsdale and defended him all the way, despite the incontrovertible evidence of what he actually had done.<br />If Pell wins an appeal on some technicality it sends a clear message to all the Prelates who abuse ... They are untouchables.<br />God knows the Truth and may He judge them all here and in the hereafter.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-69820338354716146892019-03-06T08:54:05.424-05:002019-03-06T08:54:05.424-05:00Cool it with the hysteria.
One question I have f...Cool it with the hysteria. <br /><br />One question I have for people like Aqua: what will you do if the appeal finds him guilty?Irenaeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15432088067981270937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-67002447274900832972019-03-06T04:31:38.930-05:002019-03-06T04:31:38.930-05:00Anonymous @ 2:14 pm, March 05, 2019
One should onl... Anonymous @ 2:14 pm, March 05, 2019<br />One should only shoot down the messenger when the massage is given to them by Satan. Those conservative priest you mention are a fragment of your intimation, how stupid do you think people are! Why don't you give names of these so called imaginative priests.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-60088477957872443722019-03-05T22:28:09.163-05:002019-03-05T22:28:09.163-05:00@ Anonymous 2:14
The thing about pedophile perver...@ Anonymous 2:14<br /><br />The thing about pedophile perverts, their sodomy opus comprises a lifetime of perversity and evil. This tenacious bull of a former rugby player, at age 77, does not fit the profile. There is no history, except the opposite of faggotry.<br /><br />Another thing I’ve noticed is that *actual* Priest sodomites, perverts and pedophiles are protected. Normally they operate with impunity. If caught they are hidden. If found they are protected and evidence covered up, destroyed, sent away to Rome. Their opportunities to advance and conquest are vast and somehow they just keep on.<br /><br />Cardinal Pell , former Secretariat for the Economy, second most powerful position in he Catholic Church with knowledge of all their secrets, was not so protected. And he is now in solitary confinement, 23 hours a day for a stupid accusation and impossible hearsay evidence. Mr. McCarrick is not in solitary. He is living next door to a Boy’s school (yippy!). His pedo-sodomy opus is extensive. And he goes on.<br /><br />Cardinal Pell, just another Priest pedophile pervert? Give me break. If he were that, he would be living richly in Rome right now enjoying the remainder of his days drinking fine wine, large meals and a steady stream of sexual opportunities coming his way. Instead, he is living the life of a Martyr, preparing to meet Almighty God, cut off from even saying Holy Mass. I like his chances when the meets the Just Judge. Mr. McCarrick and all the others who actually are infecting our Church and harming their flock? I shudder on their behalf.Aquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06691722006352014613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-13439548401067964392019-03-05T14:14:02.831-05:002019-03-05T14:14:02.831-05:00That's right, shoot the messenger .But in this...That's right, shoot the messenger .But in this case the interviewees are the parents and friends of the victims and a gym manager who has zero bias against the Cardinal or even knowledge of who the naked man was standing fully naked in front of children..<br /><br />Talk to some decent conservative young priests who went over to Australia under the same opinion as you to work under a Prelate with a conservative public image. not quite what they expected to find in private.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-56824855087541088402019-03-05T09:18:23.273-05:002019-03-05T09:18:23.273-05:00Handle name...John
Anonymous @ 1:16 am, March 05, ...Handle name...John<br />Anonymous @ 1:16 am, March 05, 2019<br />Your link refers to one of the most left wing, bias, anti Catholic pathetic, free to air TV network Australia has. The hatred they have for "all" things Catholic makes Justin Trudeau look as tame as a kitten. The wicked left A.B.C were the ring leaders of this demonic witch-hunt against Cardinal Pell. Although there are a few honest journalist, Andrew Bolt sums the situation up perfectly. <br /><br />https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6007077187001<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-64528839082823694342019-03-05T01:16:34.888-05:002019-03-05T01:16:34.888-05:00The evidence against Cardinal Pell.
https://www.y...The evidence against Cardinal Pell.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBAyP2wjicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-43236994943258991742019-03-04T16:00:40.348-05:002019-03-04T16:00:40.348-05:00This one case is ridiculous. Unless Pell put all t...This one case is ridiculous. Unless Pell put all the people in the sacristy into a trance I don't see how he could have done it. That being said, there have been rumors about him for a long time and we have not heard the last of the changing room and pool story.Dymphnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01469622835449220113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-3591848827665529912019-03-04T11:29:49.646-05:002019-03-04T11:29:49.646-05:00If he was a Traditionalist, I wonder if you would ...If he was a Traditionalist, I wonder if you would be asking the question. Has it occurred to you how preposterous it is that an Archbishop would spontaneously force a kid to do what he did after a Mass (which alone is preposterous since there are always, ALWAYS, people in the sacristy after Mass--any Catholic, liberal, conservative, or traditional, can attest to it)? This is an unbelievable travesty, and since he didn't get the assumption of innocence until proven guilty by the law (who started a witch hunt on him and even apparently ADVERTISED for "victims" to step forward)before anyone ever made such a complaint, or the courts, who allowed this supposed "evidence" to be carried to trial, surely we can see that it is a case of the worst kind of set-up, calumny, "bearing false witness". I suspect even his lawyer may have been pressured. In the first trial Card. Pell testified on his own behalf, and the verdict was a hung jury--10-2 in his favor. In the second trial, he was apparently advised not to speak, and the prosecution got a unanimous verdict AGAINST the Cardinal. Then his attorney's "plain vanilla" comment (which a high profile, experienced attorney should have known better than to say) seemed to imply he was guilty. It may be unrealistic to think his highly regarded attorney would cooperate with destroying a powerful prelate like Pell, but no more unrealistic than thinking an Archbishop with a reputation like his committed a spontaneous abuse of not one, but TWO boys because he suddenly found an OPPORTUNITY, and without any prior "grooming"? (Except, of course, that the "opportunity" could not have actually occurred as the prosecution presented it, but how many non-Catholics have actually been in a Catholic Church and seen the bustle of activity in the sacristy after Mass. The prosecution showed a picture of a big, empty room to the jury. That's not the case before, during, and after Mass. This is a lie on its face, and if the appeals court does not render a just decision, a lot of people are going to be very upset.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05621004218190362088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-62432727566879718072019-03-04T10:41:49.858-05:002019-03-04T10:41:49.858-05:00What will Francis do to Pell -- defrock, laicize, ...What will Francis do to Pell -- defrock, laicize, excommunicate? I suspect he will throw the book at Pell so that we all think he's really toughened when it comes to pedophilia (not homosexuality, eh eh) and child abuse. McCarrick will fade, as Pell becomes the new poster boy for pedophilia. <br /><br />Which makes me ask the really big question: Where is Mr. McCarrick and why hasn't the someone chased him down for an interview. <br /><br />DisturbedMary Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-39463207088391429612019-03-03T15:57:39.918-05:002019-03-03T15:57:39.918-05:00You know I never did that. I know zip re that scho...You know I never did that. I know zip re that school and know not a single person at that school. You’re giving Catholics a bad name by your unhinged accusations. Michael Ortizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823627318269572922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-48186189410567105302019-03-03T14:20:12.822-05:002019-03-03T14:20:12.822-05:00Kathleen, I totally agree with your suggestion. I ...Kathleen, I totally agree with your suggestion. I KNOW way too much about the sexually disordered who have taken over positions of authority in the Church and at this point it only serves to disgust the soul. Lent is a good point in time to fast from the filth for the body and soul. <br />Those who refuse to educate themselves on the money cults flourishing in the church and destroying lives, stay stupid and learn like the ex LC and RC's did .<br />Those who want to argue if and how Pell practiced his "vanilla sex" on little boys as his own attorney called it......debate and sin all you want......<br />I suggest focusing your meditations and prayers on and to Our Divine Savior.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-13012674882588920742019-03-03T14:13:05.815-05:002019-03-03T14:13:05.815-05:00You most certainly did Mr Ortiz in defending opus ...You most certainly did Mr Ortiz in defending opus dei's position that the man was innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-54877527608492650632019-03-03T11:03:24.792-05:002019-03-03T11:03:24.792-05:00...his other accuser admitted he lied on his death...<i>...his other accuser admitted he lied on his death bed.</i><br /><br />I believe it's even worse than that. If I have my facts right, the other purported "victim" never accused Pell at all, and was only named as a co-victim by the primary accuser after his death. The deceased man did tell his mother that he'd never been abused, but I believe that was a general statement, not in relation to Pell specifically. Someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.<br /><br />These are the flimsiest possible grounds for putting a man in jail: a single accuser comes forward, many years after the fact, as a result of a highly irregular public solicitation by the police, with a totally uncorroborated story describing a vile and reckless act of sexual abuse by a man who has never demonstrated any such tendencies over decades in the public eye.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the trads in the comments section here merrily form the customary circular firing squad and blast away. Could we just this one time act like adults and not live up to the stereotype?<br />Murrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12747213382322731103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-36628557093997046452019-03-03T09:19:44.195-05:002019-03-03T09:19:44.195-05:00@ Irenaeus
You are starting to show your true colo... @ Irenaeus<br />You are starting to show your true colors, Clearly you do not know Cardinal Pell, but I do, however i'm sure that won't effect your poisoned mind but maybe my next statement will. So you are prepared to state that Cardinal Pell, a priest for over 50 years went insane for five minutes, just five minutes out of 50 plus years, sorry make that 2 & half minutes because his other accuser admitted he lied on his death bed. I don't know about you but find that incredible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com