tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post4484166693791656596..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: CCCB FAQ's -- More Drivel!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-29406312190394328542011-09-10T21:29:55.120-04:002011-09-10T21:29:55.120-04:00Gabby, I hear ya - that guy must be a clone of our...Gabby, I hear ya - that guy must be a clone of our PP ... The only thing to do is pray - and pray again! I wouldn't be on the liturgy committee if you put a gun to my head! You're braver than I am.<br /><br />Courage, mon ami(e)!<br /><br />ChloesmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-85033320456386604362011-09-09T22:39:20.136-04:002011-09-09T22:39:20.136-04:00Chloesmom, I once pointed out in a liturgy meeting...Chloesmom, I once pointed out in a liturgy meeting in my parish that having EMHCs giving out Communion when priests were sitting down flew in the face of several Roman documents. One of the priests there, a man who had been one of my then-pastor's seminary prof, got up, shook his finger at me and yelled, "We've never paid attention to what Rome had to say and we aren't about to start now!" That's the day that I decided that being on the Liturgy committee was over for me.Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-45775429420540660442011-09-09T20:43:33.598-04:002011-09-09T20:43:33.598-04:00"No offence Anon.
My late mother was from Fr..."No offence Anon.<br /><br />My late mother was from Fredericton!"<br /><br />None taken at all! Just pointing out the facts, lol!!<br /><br />And thank you to Chloesmom! I will keep you and yours in my prayers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-67596677871717080532011-09-09T19:25:09.933-04:002011-09-09T19:25:09.933-04:00Maritime Anonymous, good for you! I was born and ...Maritime Anonymous, good for you! I was born and raised in Newfoundland, and I agree we are a pretty tough, resilient gang from that neck of the woods. God bless you!<br /><br />ChloesmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-61703834173948354472011-09-09T19:23:35.524-04:002011-09-09T19:23:35.524-04:00Dear Vox, In my parish outside Montreal we have he...Dear Vox, In my parish outside Montreal we have heard NOTHING, ZIP, NADA, RIEN DU TOUT, about the new translation - this is St. Thomas Aquinas parish in Hudson. Our pastor says that "whenever anything comes from Rome, we close our eyes". (I actually heard him say this) Also, we in the Diocese of Valleyfield are in transition, our former Bishop now relocated to Sherbrooke. It will be interesting to see what happens in November - if anything happens at all, which would be in accord with the usual way of doing things at STA. Sometimes attending Mass is an occasion of sin for me as I get quite upset by the lousy music and extreme casualness of the liturgy. I am considered a bit of a crank about this, even by my own family, but what's right is right. God deserves the best we can give Him, and what He's getting these days ain't it. Pray for the Church in Quebec - and please pray for me!<br /><br />Regards,<br />ChloesmomAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-2238631006339912482011-09-09T19:18:14.761-04:002011-09-09T19:18:14.761-04:00No offence Anon.
My late mother was from Frederic...No offence Anon.<br /><br />My late mother was from Fredericton!Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-49761401501603499942011-09-09T16:31:08.041-04:002011-09-09T16:31:08.041-04:00"Catholics in Atlantic Canada have a lot of w..."Catholics in Atlantic Canada have a lot of work to do."<br /><br />A rare breed, that. But we are here................Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-5839192386681736792011-09-08T19:30:11.175-04:002011-09-08T19:30:11.175-04:00Catholics in Atlantic Canada have a lot of work to...Catholics in Atlantic Canada have a lot of work to do.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-37385609329143727422011-09-08T16:48:29.427-04:002011-09-08T16:48:29.427-04:00In our Atlantic Canada diocese we have a bit of ev...In our Atlantic Canada diocese we have a bit of everything. The archbishop has stated that where there are kneelers we are to kneel only at the Consecration, where there are no kneelers there is to be a reverent bow. We have been told that to do anything otherwise will be considered to be an act of disobeying the bishop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-69161180480674684772011-09-08T11:58:31.825-04:002011-09-08T11:58:31.825-04:00It seems that in the Maritimes they rise at the Me...It seems that in the Maritimes they rise at the Memorial Acclamation.<br /><br />In most of Ontario, except perhaps Ottawa, the kneeling pratice is after the Sanctus to after the Great Amen and from after the Agnus Dei.<br /><br />At least now there will be only two standards, not three; not that I think the kneeling should only be at the Consecration.<br /><br />Ockam, Yes, we're all grown up now...it makes me wonder what would have happened if our parnets and grandparents had this little tool.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-89572655529196023892011-09-08T06:58:52.270-04:002011-09-08T06:58:52.270-04:00Vox, I have to say that I've never experienced...Vox, I have to say that I've never experienced a parish where they knelt until <b>after</b> the Memorial Acclamation if they weren't kneeling for the entire Eucharistic Prayer. Regardless of whether they went to their knees immediately after the Sanctus or only after the Epiclesis, they all rose for the Memorial Acclamation.Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-43239535339677674302011-09-08T06:18:02.283-04:002011-09-08T06:18:02.283-04:00Great commentary. What certain people in power an...Great commentary. What certain people in power and influence haven't clued into yet is this thing called the Internet, as Michael Voris calls it, "The Great Equalizer". The laity are not blank slates anymore - we can look stuff up and communicate with like minded people. The 'spirit of Vatican II' has left the building.Ductless Ontariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12907968343507698093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-57104867345739693442011-09-08T05:14:16.155-04:002011-09-08T05:14:16.155-04:00Gabby, I agree with you. I believe the norm for Ca...Gabby, I agree with you. I believe the norm for Canada, and universally for that matter, should have been that which was approved for the United States--the "laudable practice" from the end of the Sanctus to the end of the Doxology and after the Agnus Dei throughout Communion. <br /><br />The fact that the second one, kneel to the end of the Memorial Acclamation is not there is very important. That is the posture employed in most places in Canada from what I understand, the Maritimes, Ottawa, much of the West. If this was the norm, which is what they tried to do, it would have eventually won out as the Canadian compromise. Now, you either do the minimum or the maximum.<br /><br />If those in places where they now kneel up to the end of the Memorial Acclamation are told to get off of their knees, they are most likely to rebel and say "no" and return to the more traditional posture. At least I would hope they would, but it will be up to them, not the liturgists who have lost out on this.<br /><br />The 1975 GIRM did establish universally that kneeling must take place at the Consecration, not "only" there. So, most places continued with the traditional manner. <br /><br />After all, who read the rubrics?Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-72223739596528820212011-09-07T20:02:34.957-04:002011-09-07T20:02:34.957-04:00OK, I reread, I see the difference.OK, I reread, I see the difference.Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-23420481446373898502011-09-07T20:01:01.923-04:002011-09-07T20:01:01.923-04:00I must be missing something because I don't se...I must be missing something because I don't see any difference between what I read on the Archdiocese website and what you quote as being what they wanted. We still don't have to kneel anywhere but Consecration, which is the universal norm and what we did in my parish until someone convinced the pastor that we shouldn't kneel at all. I'll be satisfied if we return to kneeling then. It remains to be seen what is being said to our priests in the meetings they are having at the diocese this week. And since we don't have a pastor I suspect that it will be up to us to implement these things in our parish at the appropriate time -- long story.<br /><br />I have to admit that I'm surprised since, back in 2002, there was every indication that we would be going to kneeling for the entire EP.<br /><br />Now if only we could implement Redemptionis Sacramentum at the same time as we implement everything else.Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-59281439922914324702011-09-07T19:24:30.289-04:002011-09-07T19:24:30.289-04:00Gabby,
They didn't get exactly what they want...Gabby,<br /><br />They didn't get exactly what they wanted. According to my sources and the Grey Book submission they asked for the following:<br /><br />"In the dioceses of Canada, they should kneel from the singing or recitation of the Sanctus to the Memorial Acclamation, except when prevented by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good<br />reason. Those who do not kneel at the Consecration, however, should make a profound bow when the Priest genuflects after Communion. The diocesan Bishop may allow the common practice of kneeling at the Consecration only. Where it is the practice for the people to remain kneeling after the Sanctus until the end of the Eucharistic Prayer and before Communion when the Priest says, Behold the Lamb of God, it is laudable to retain this practice. (53)To achieve uniformity in gestures and postures during one and the same celebration, the faithful should follow the instructions given by the Deacon, lay minister, or Priest in accordance with w at is laid down in the Missal."<br /><br />So, essentially they did not get what they wanted which was a patchwork that would have imposed a unique kneeling arrangement in place nowhere else as the norm. <br /><br />Rome upheld the 1975 norm, which is what is followed even in St. Peter's Basilica and states that it is "laudable" or praiseworthy to continue the traditional meaning it is NOT PRAISWORTHY not to!<br /><br />This is a victory.<br /><br />Thank God for laudable practice because now, those who stop kneeling at the end of the Memorial Acclamation will have to make a choice. Kneel only a the Consecration or keep kneeling as in the former, more traditional manner? <br /><br />My bet is that the people will kneel!Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-50253163598679682322011-09-07T16:43:52.631-04:002011-09-07T16:43:52.631-04:00In essence they've gone with the universal GIR...In essence they've gone with the universal GIRM, just the way they did in 1975.Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-50339977110917095582011-09-07T16:26:45.964-04:002011-09-07T16:26:45.964-04:00Thank-you for the wonderful commentary...keep up t...Thank-you for the wonderful commentary...keep up the good work!!!From Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16083105291622283031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-39716279631046262662011-09-07T15:03:33.712-04:002011-09-07T15:03:33.712-04:00Gabby, you are wonderful!
This is not the complet...Gabby, you are wonderful!<br /><br />This is not the complete GIRM but an important highlight.<br /><br />Thank God for "laudable practice!"<br /><br />More on this later.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-57732166305284039662011-09-07T12:12:19.610-04:002011-09-07T12:12:19.610-04:00I stumbled upon the GIRM Canadian adaptation on po...I stumbled upon the GIRM Canadian adaptation on posture in the Toronto Archdiocese website. You can find it here:<br />http://www.archtoronto.org/romanmissal/pdf/GIRM.pdfGabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-55175262821582675192011-09-07T10:55:47.393-04:002011-09-07T10:55:47.393-04:00"Let us ask the Holy Spirit to guide us and ...."Let us ask the Holy Spirit to guide us and . . . together, let us enter into the dance!"<br /><br />Hey, Vox, that reminds me of something that reeks of moldy Jarlsberg cheeziness!:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3LJgXcTayA<br /><br />And now for the 2nd time here on VC, which angers me, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A WEAPON TO TELL US TO SHUT UP AND ACCEPT WHATEVER YOU THROW AT US!!! NOT EVERYTHING IS LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!!! Oh dear CCCB, are you sure you are being led by the Holy Spirit? Or are you being led by your "feelings" or selfish prideful desires? ...Young Canadian RC Malenoreply@blogger.com