tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post4462235383632553664..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: The Novus Ordo is "irreversible?" Sorry Jorge, you do not get the last word!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-30720805928074654732017-08-31T20:57:57.792-04:002017-08-31T20:57:57.792-04:00ABS - what does any of this matter? If the Vatica...ABS - what does any of this matter? If the Vatican to church is correct, we are all saved anyway. There is no fear in being a Sedevacantist if protestants, Hindus, Jews and others are also saved as your church teaches.Joabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842503899292685278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-50553386313234532232017-08-31T10:47:23.792-04:002017-08-31T10:47:23.792-04:00MYSTICI CORPORIS CHRISTI
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X...MYSTICI CORPORIS CHRISTI<br />ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XII <br /><br /><br />40. But we must not think that He rules only in a hidden [59] or extraordinary manner. On the contrary, our Redeemer also governs His Mystical Body in a visible and normal way through His Vicar on earth. You know, Venerable Brethren, that after He had ruled the "little flock" [60] Himself during His mortal pilgrimage, Christ our Lord, when about to leave this world and return to the Father, entrusted to the Chief of the Apostles the visible government of the entire community He had founded. Since He was all wise He could not leave the body of the Church He had founded as a human society without a visible head. Nor against this may one argue that the primacy of jurisdiction established in the Church gives such a Mystical Body two heads. For Peter in view of his primacy is only Christ's Vicar; so that there is only one chief Head of this Body, namely Christ, who never ceases Himself to guide the Church invisibly, though at the same time He rules it visibly, through him who is His representative on earth. After His glorious Ascension into Heaven this Church rested not on Him alone, but on Peter, too, its visible foundation stone. That Christ and His Vicar constitute one only Head is the solemn teaching of Our predecessor of immortal memory Boniface VIII in the Apostolic Letter Unam Sanctam; [61] and his successors have never ceased to repeat the same.<br />. <br />41. They, therefore, walk in the path of dangerous error who believe that they can accept Christ as the Head of the Church, while not adhering loyally to His Vicar on earth. They have taken away the visible head, broken the visible bonds of unity and left the Mystical Body of the Redeemer so obscured and so maimed, that those who are seeking the haven of eternal salvation can neither see it nor find it.<br /><br /><br />Now since its Founder willed this social body of Christ to be visible, the cooperation of all its members must also be externally manifest through their profession of the same faith and their sharing the same sacred rites, through participation in the same Sacrifice, and the practical observance of the same laws. Above all, it is absolutely necessary that the Supreme Head, that is, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, be visible to the eyes of all, since it is He who gives effective direction to the work which all do in common in a mutually helpful way towards the attainment of the proposed end. As the Divine Redeemer sent the Paraclete, the Spirit of Truth, who in His name [138] should govern the Church in an invisible way, so, in the same manner, He commissioned Peter and his successors to be His personal representatives on earth and to assume the visible government of the Christian community.<br /><br />++++++<br /><br />What manner of psychotic principle is it that the sedes employ to directly contradict the teaching of he whom they consider the last legitimate Pope?<br /><br />Sedevacantism is not a safe port in s spiritual storm it is a locked ward in an insane asylum where they have a Papacy with no Pope.<br />Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-36826848039691790182017-08-31T08:16:33.754-04:002017-08-31T08:16:33.754-04:00Dr Lamb. You are a heretic according to an infalli...Dr Lamb. You are a heretic according to an infallible council and your old recycled arguments (ceaselessly rehearsed at the Novus Ordo Witch Blog) have long ago been refuted but it is quite clear your ideological delusion has concretised and so ABS just posts this link for the edification of lurkers<br /><br />http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/sedevacantism.html<br /><br />Of course, there are many other places where similar information can be found, especially those developed by Salza, Siscoe and others.<br /><br />Pertinacity in propagandistic heresy is not a virtue but ABS will now disengage .<br /><br />O, and supplied jurisdiction does not render nugatory actual existing legitimate jurisdiction of those in union with The Pope but you are so deep in your delusion that it would be a waste of time to get into that truth here.other than to note any perfidious protestant in Fiddlebacks could make the same claim if they, like Martin Luther, their father, did not personally approve of a Pope or Council.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-60218801517047919422017-08-29T22:59:49.960-04:002017-08-29T22:59:49.960-04:00Msgr. Charles Journet, The Church of the Incarnate...Msgr. Charles Journet, The Church of the Incarnate Word: The Church During a Vacancy of the Holy See – We must not think of the church, when the Pope is dead, as possessing the papal power in act, in a state of diffusion, so that she herself can delegate it to the next Pope in whom it will be recondensed and made definite. When the Pope dies the Church is widowed, and, in respect of the visible universal jurisdiction, she is truly acephalous.* ‘But she is not acephalous as are the schismatic Churches, nor like a body on the way to decomposition. Christ directs her from heaven .. . But, though slowed down, the pulse of life has not left the Church; she possesses the power of the Papacy in potency, in the sense that Christ, who has willed her always to depend on a visible pastor, has given her power<br />to designate the man to whom He will Himself commit the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, as once He committed them to Peter. During a vacancy of the Apostolic See, says Cajetan, the universal Church is in an imperfect state; she is like an amputated body, not an integral body. “The Church is acephalous, deprived of her highest part and power.” [But she is not dead, or unable to function.]<br /><br />Finally, should Traditionalists who recognize the conciliar popes and church be worried? Not at all!<br />Vatican II and the connciliar popes teach that non-Catholic sects are a "means of salvation" in the 1992 CDF Letter on Communion, the 2000 Declaration Dominus Iesus, the 1983 Code of Canon Law and the 1997 Catechism!<br />*Schismatic bodies are “particular Churches” united to the Catholic Church by “close bonds.”<br />* Each “particular Church” is “Catholic,” but some are “fully Catholic.” [Elements of the Truth, versus the "fullness" of Truth.]<br /><br />Frankie goes so far as to tell us people need not convert, "Proselytism is nonsense," atheists can go to Heaven and there is no hell! So if you're right, we all get to Heaven and nothing that's going on really matters at all!<br /><br />Just remember; if we sedes are right, modernist trolls have a hell of a lot to worry about. Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-36964431360721591512017-08-29T22:57:59.700-04:002017-08-29T22:57:59.700-04:00Did the Church cease during the Great Western Schi...Did the Church cease during the Great Western Schism, when there were three rival claimants to the Papal Throne from 1378 to 1417? No one could be sure who, if any, were Pope. So who would one follow? What if one followed the wrong "pope." Would one be in schism, because one had inadvertedly rejected the real Pope - or perhaps having rejected all of them due to good reasons for doubting their legitimacy?<br />Sedevacantism means nothing more than an extended interregnum. There was De facto no pope for almost 40 years during the Great Western Schism.<br /><br />A. Dorsch — Institutions Theologiae Fundamentalis, 1928:<br />“The Church therefore is a society that is essentially monarchical.<br />But this does not prevent the Church, for a short time after the death of a pope, or even for MANY YEARS, from remaining deprived of her head. [vel etiam per plures annos capite suo destituta manet]. Her monarchical form also remains intact in this state . . .thus the Church is then indeed a headless body . . . Her monarchical form of government remains, though then in a different way —that is, it remains incomplete and to be completed. The ordering of the whole to submission to her Primate is present, even though actual submission is not . For this reason, the See of Rome is rightly said to remain after the person sitting in it has died — for the See of Rome consists essentially in the rights of the Primate. These rights are an essential and necessary element of the Church. With them, moreover, the Primacy then continues, at least morally. The perennial physical presence of the person of the head, however, [perennitas autem physica personis principis] is not so strictly necessary” (De Ecclesia 2:196-7).Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-40426270646816766292017-08-29T22:56:33.172-04:002017-08-29T22:56:33.172-04:00The "Papacy" is an Office called the &qu...The "Papacy" is an Office called the "Holy See." It may be occupied by a Pope, or unoccupied when there is no Pope - i.e. during an "interregnum." The Holy See remains, whether it is occupied, or not. This I love, honour and obey as all Catholics must.<br />The word "papacy" can mean slightly different things - the office of the Pope; the authority of the Pope, or the court of the Pope. <br /><br />I reject the post conciliar 'popes" because they were/are masonic heretics - antipopes - and therefore not true Popes. <br /><br />When there is no Pope, eg. between the death of one and the coronation of the next, (interregnum),the Church functions as stated by theologians Dorsch and Salaverri. The Pope is not a "primary foundation… without which the Church could not exist," the Pope is a "secondary foundation," "ministerial," who exercises his power as someone else’s, (Christ’s), representative. (See De Ecclesia 1:448) <br />[The Pope represents Christ; he is the Vicar of Christ. Christ is the Head of the Church and He exists always. The Church is not without her Head during interregnum.]<br /><br />There is nothing that prevents an interregnum from lasting MANY YEARS. There is no dogma that the Church needs ordinary jurisdiction to survive. Supplied jurisdiction is very real and bishops can consecrate; priests can administer the Sacraments and the Church functions, even when there is no live Pope. The Office of Peter is perpetually over the Church regardless whether it is filled by a living man. In other words, the teachings of the past Popes remain the steadfast guide of the Church. Never does a past teaching become equal to, or less than, a mere bishop or some other person. There is no Church teaching that there is a time limit on the period between popes. No theologian who has ever spoken on this issue has given a time limit for interregnums.<br />Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-56945070259744349372017-08-29T14:13:00.860-04:002017-08-29T14:13:00.860-04:00Quod a vobis (Breviary) had the exact same warning...Quod a vobis (Breviary) had the exact same warning-wording as did Quo Primus - not surprising as both were promulgated by Pope Saint Pius V - but Pope Saint Pius X DID change Qoud a vobis, thus, Pope Saint Pius X was a fake Pope according to any you sedes.<br /><br />https://tinyurl.com/y98b8s96 <br /><br />Pages 54-59<br /><br />Really, it is embarrassing to read these same long-refuted charges being asserted as though they were biblical truths of the upmost importance.<br /><br />As regarding the repeated claims of Doctor Lamb, they simply are without merit no matter how hard he huffs and puffs while pronouncing them:<br /><br /><br /><i>The Visibility of the Church is directly linked to the Roman Pontiff. And while during an interregnum the church is "Popeless," for a short period of time, this is not a part of the ordinary constitution of the Church and must necessarily be of short duration. The longest interregnum in the Church to date is less than three years. If the sedevacantists are right, then the present interregnum is ten times greater than that one. Thus the visibility of the Church, embodied in the person of the Roman Pontiff is non-extant. In this awful scenario, the only true Church is constituted of individual priests and bishops in their respective chapels, none of whom have valid jurisdiction, and none of whom report to anyone higher than themselves as authorities.<b> This is not a visible Church; it is a Protestant Church.</b> </i><br /><br />Brother Andre Marie M.I.C.M<br /><br />Doctor Lamb Aug 25, at 4:24 you wrote " If bergoglio is your true Pope - submit and obey!" and ABS asked you to name one thing _ ONE- that Pope Francis has ordered ABS to do and you did not even try to answer the question and that is because he has not ordered ABS or anyone else to do anything and you know it.<br /><br />It is clear you are trying to seduce men away from there visible church which still has the Four Marks of the One True Church but don't you know that makes you an enemy of Jesus Christ?Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-33868928529755997372017-08-29T05:02:37.985-04:002017-08-29T05:02:37.985-04:00I am Novus-Ordo raised but have spent the last 12 ...I am Novus-Ordo raised but have spent the last 12 years in and out of tradition. I always considered sedevacantists to be wackos and gave them little attention.<br /><br />I have come to two conclusions, though. <br /><br />While I am not capable of discerning whether the Paul VI or John the 23rd were "real" popes or not, it is obvious that the chair is empty now. Even outsiders can see that Francis is not a Catholic. It's just like a marriage coming apart, with one partner cheating and the whole world can see it but the betrayed spouse keeps thinking that things will turn around someday.<br /><br />Furthermore, whether the chair is empty or not, it is spiritually safest to act as if it is. To cling to our old missals, pray the rosary, do our devotions. After all, we know that those things are good. Novus ordo types cannot declare past traditions invalid. We know that Trent and all the councils before it were good. What do we gain by investing ourselves in Vatican II spirituality? Sure, maybe it is good, but why risk your soul? Will God damn us for praying as our ancestors did? It seems best to do what we know for certain was pleasing to God 100 years ago. If you believe that is wrong-headed, then you also accuse nearly 2000 years of Catholicism of being wrong. It seems safest to stick with tradition. No Brave New World for me and mine, thanks.Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00028190531437571201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-52487866249706492772017-08-28T17:31:50.728-04:002017-08-28T17:31:50.728-04:00@ABS
"That is, Quo Primus was ecclesiastical...@ABS<br /><br />"That is, Quo Primus was ecclesiastical law and Pope Pius V could not, and did not, bind any future Pope in such matters. Here is the testimony of a sede on that point...<br />http://www.fathercekada.com/2007/05/17/quo-primum/"<br /><br />Fr. Cekada’s views in his article on Quidlibet cannot be taken to mean a Pope can change any ecclesiastical law per his wishes. For example, can the Pope change ecclesiastical law to allow Women Priests? <br /><br />Even if Sedevacantists say that a "true" Pope can change ecclesiastical law, they know that there are limits to what changes a "true" Pope can rightfully make. <br /><br />Without going into specifics, roughly, for the Sedevacantists, the instant a “true” Pope breaks these limits, he ipso facto becomes a “false” Pope. Some amongst that flock may go so far as to say that the Pope was never “true” to begin with. <br /><br />Whichever camp you belong to (Novus Ordo, Sedevacantist, …), Quo Primum is still binding. Even the Popes post-Vatican II know this, as does Fr. Cekada. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-17145340767135812712017-08-28T12:27:17.448-04:002017-08-28T12:27:17.448-04:00Dear Irenaeus, Never say never! In fact I'll p...Dear Irenaeus, Never say never! In fact I'll put a six-pack on you, as I have on Vox. :)Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-5331356973201298532017-08-28T09:03:34.538-04:002017-08-28T09:03:34.538-04:00It's things like this that make sedevacantism ...It's things like this that make sedevacantism quite tempting. But no. I will not go there.<br />Irenaeushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15432088067981270937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-19650069805345151182017-08-28T08:48:07.325-04:002017-08-28T08:48:07.325-04:00ABS, bergoglio is not Pope formaliter and the novu...ABS, bergoglio is not Pope formaliter and the novus ordo church is not the Catholic Church. Please do not address me again. I find talking to you unpleasant and a waste of time.Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-18657061804830066342017-08-27T15:44:33.124-04:002017-08-27T15:44:33.124-04:00Bergoglio has had his reward - let him fall into h...Bergoglio has had his reward - let him fall into his whited sepulchre on Sept 13 - the next Fatima date - which coincides with a Wednesday audience!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-13165540283570186092017-08-27T14:04:27.942-04:002017-08-27T14:04:27.942-04:00Dear Dr. Lamb. Hear St. Robert Bellarmine: The Chu...Dear Dr. Lamb. Hear St. Robert Bellarmine: <b>The Church is the visible society of the validly baptised faithful, united in one organic body by the profession of the same Christian faith, by participation of the same Sacrifice, and the same seven sacraments, under the authority of the Sovereign Pontiff and the bishops in communion with him.</b><br /><br />Thus, our sedevacantist friends are not in the Church and we must pray they return before they die and stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ to answer for their perfidy.<br /><br />ABS has never had to refuse one single thing that he has been ordered to do by Pope Francis and so you are completely confused. Go on, tell ABS what Pope Francis has ordered ABS to do...<br /><br />Repent brother, while you still have time.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-32056207786065686222017-08-27T13:58:26.223-04:002017-08-27T13:58:26.223-04:00Dear Vox. Ecclesiastical Law can be changed by any...Dear Vox. Ecclesiastical Law can be changed by any Pope, even Pope Francis.<br /><br />That is, Quo Primus was ecclesiastical law and Pope Pius V could not, and did not, bind any future Pope in such matters.<br /><br />Here is the testimony of a sede on that point...<br /><br />http://www.fathercekada.com/2007/05/17/quo-primum/Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-742128919431649842017-08-27T00:47:54.270-04:002017-08-27T00:47:54.270-04:00https://www.rt.com/usa/400904-priest-child-pornogr...https://www.rt.com/usa/400904-priest-child-pornography-poker/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chromeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-69252913545478953302017-08-26T18:53:55.254-04:002017-08-26T18:53:55.254-04:00The Diocese of Portsmouth, England, will have 14 s...The Diocese of Portsmouth, England, will have 14 seminarians at the start of the new academic year, the highest number of seminarians in living memory, writes the Catholic Herald. Not surprisingly, Portsmouth Bishop Philip Egan is not part of the secular-liberal wing of bishops close to Pope Francis. In April he stated that Amoris Laetitia does not allow divorcees to receive Communion.<br /><br />'Not surprisingly....' Heh heh.Maudie N Mandevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07608333522668477953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-81557078438809328912017-08-26T18:41:42.326-04:002017-08-26T18:41:42.326-04:00@Irish41
"... I suggest you look up your nea...@Irish41 <br />"... I suggest you look up your nearby (I hope) SSPX Chapel ..."<br /><br />Bishop Fellay, superior General of SSPX, has compromised with Vatican II. Unlike Archbishop Lefebvre (ABL), he has decided to sign certain agreements which have resulted in SSPX turning Indult like the FSSP. The Priests in SSPX, like FSSP, cannot speak about the errors of Vatican II and also have begun concelebrating masses with Vatican II priests. This is not the line of ABL, who kept reiterating, no deal with Rome unless Rome comes back to Tradition and the Faith. If you have any doubts, ask any SSPX Priest to speak about the errors of Vatican II from the pulpit. Ave Maria.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-86707370143164114522017-08-26T11:10:12.128-04:002017-08-26T11:10:12.128-04:00Dear Mary, You are so correct:
"For the myste...Dear Mary, You are so correct:<br />"For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity."<br />—St. Paul the Apostle (2 Thess 2:7-11)<br /><br />Sin against the Holy Ghost:<br />"... But whatever the reason for the obstinate refusal to admit the known truth, the law of cause and effect cannot be broken ... hence it follows that actions must have proportionate consequences. And what are the consequences of rejecting the known truth?<br /><br />The first is quite dire, and I believe in some instances gives the reason for such obstinacy: Resisting the known truth is a sin against the Holy Ghost and thus deprives the soul of His grace necessary to adhere to the truth with constancy and fortitude.<br /><br />Second, by grieving the Holy Ghost, by opposing the known truth, God is justified in allowing that person to fall into error, often the very error they think they are opposing. This is especially true of Modernism, which is not so much a single error but the operation of error, since it does not deny a single truth but the very existence of objective truth. <br /><br />"Hence ... those who obstinately defend Modernists eventually fall into Modernism themselves. How? By rejecting the true Catholic definition of the Papacy and inventing a pseudo-Papacy to their own liking. Something right out of Disneyland. It is thus they can call someone a true Pope and yet act as if they must resist him in faith, morals, government and worship to save their own souls. Do they really believe Christ instituted a Papacy which we must resist to save our souls? This is insanity, indeed blasphemy.<br /><br />http://christorchaos.com/?q=content/epithets-mr-timothy-duff<br />Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-91676927153123238082017-08-26T09:56:19.617-04:002017-08-26T09:56:19.617-04:00I wish we had SSPX in our area, since we are atten...I wish we had SSPX in our area, since we are attending the Latin Rite but realizing we are still financially supporting this horrible Francis Church, which is throwing us a bone with the Latin Mass. <br />There is no SSPX in our area. Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-81698058430802037462017-08-26T08:59:06.277-04:002017-08-26T08:59:06.277-04:00h u h at 4:25
You are 100% correct! That's ex...h u h at 4:25<br />You are 100% correct! That's exactly why Bergoglio is giving this "catechesis" on the liturgy. He has his boys making the changes to the NO that will make it invalid, in all cases. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-35732714577150382632017-08-26T04:25:28.554-04:002017-08-26T04:25:28.554-04:00Was the Dominus Ac Redemptor reversible? never min...Was the Dominus Ac Redemptor reversible? never mind that.<br /><br />Can the result of an irreversible reformation be object of further reformation? Yes it can. Why do I say so? Because I am pretty sure further reformation will come, by none other than our beloved Pope Francis.h u hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-53618547647763815082017-08-26T01:15:00.096-04:002017-08-26T01:15:00.096-04:00Irish41
For all you "lost" Trad Catholi...Irish41<br /><br />For all you "lost" Trad Catholics, I suggest you look up your nearby (I hope) SSPX Chapel and get on over to the Pre-Vatican II Latin Mass. We did 20 years ago and have never looked back. We are 76 years old and at peace with our choice. Try it out. You mivght it too. Go to: www.sspx.org . God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-36189314190991494722017-08-25T16:26:48.510-04:002017-08-25T16:26:48.510-04:00Julia Augusta, I believe once upon a time the Bish...Julia Augusta, I believe once upon a time the Bishops were perhaps thinking that immigrants would fill the church as newcomers, but that no longer is the case. Most immigrant families don't put enough in the basket to offset the decline in numbers, and they probably tap the system in other ways as well. <br />It is that the Catholic Church now gets millions and millions of dollars, or they did under Obama anyway, to bring in more and more immigrants. This is wanted money, and needed money, and it is clear the Bishops have sold out the actual faith for the cha-ching of government subsidies. I don't know if this continues, but going by the relentless clamor of these sycophant bishops for immigration, it probably is. I do wish President Trump would shut the taps off. I really resent the pope and the bishops for this. This is a political operation and our church and pope have no business promoting this and getting paid like harlots for it. Not only that, but they are creating very real hazards and demonstrated threats to citizens of the nations of the West, and they don't appear to give a tinker's dam about that. Again, this gives me no pleasure to say, but it is reality.Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-11042569115931225132017-08-25T16:22:41.660-04:002017-08-25T16:22:41.660-04:00It's PF that's irreversible & should b...It's PF that's irreversible & should be corrected without further delay & the CC brought back to Tradition. This centenary year of Fatima is just the time to set things aright. Our Lady will support us.Ana Milanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13614286775064340959noreply@blogger.com