tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post42463094376368159..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: A Call for a Toronto Liturgical Movement!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-80013032159717288262011-07-01T05:52:13.562-04:002011-07-01T05:52:13.562-04:00Dear Lindsey,
What you describe happening in your...Dear Lindsey,<br /><br />What you describe happening in your Mississauga parish is about the most unprofessional thing that I've heard by any organist or cantor in 25 years of church music.<br /><br />They have no business "leaving" because aside from singing, they are at "Holy Mass!"<br /><br />Don't blame the choir school, something has infected them, pride and arrogance being two I can quickly think of.<br /><br />If you are going to sing, even it is a second or third Mass and you are tired you do it as the first anything less is unacceptable and unprofessional. I've done three on some Sunday mornings at a parish I was at last year subsituting on some summer Sundays; that third one was hard, very hard but you deal with it.<br /><br />Of course the other thing is that they have little or no faith or they would not act this way at Church. They certainly could not do this at the Cathedral.<br /><br />Take my comment to your Pastor and tell him that Vox Cantoris said to sit them down and explain to them that they are first there to worship God and second to provide music for the liturgy and that means they change their ways; if not; send them packing.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-33581701210785182702011-06-30T23:03:15.122-04:002011-06-30T23:03:15.122-04:00In a Mississauga parish the organist's and can...In a Mississauga parish the organist's and cantor's routine is to leave as soon as the Gospel Acclamation is sung and to re-enter the church when Offertory starts. I was told that the parish staff thought it was ok since those musicians, who are alumni of the Toronto Cathedral Choir School, are professionals (read 'paid') and are not really part of the worshiping community. <br /><br />Elitist musicians! Apart and aloof! No place for them in church. And they are not even that good musically. <br /> <br />So what's all the raving about the choir school?!Lindseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-59148492430013911142011-06-30T15:39:39.843-04:002011-06-30T15:39:39.843-04:00I agree, it's not just Toronto. Out here in Va...I agree, it's not just Toronto. Out here in Vancouver, I've been to a number of parishes and all we seem to sing are Protestant songs!<br /><br />What is that about? No wonder we don't have a Catholic culture and identity anymore!<br /><br />Bring back Catholic hymns and Gregorian chant!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-8281548166884020862011-06-30T14:29:20.127-04:002011-06-30T14:29:20.127-04:00Anonymous,
Wow, thanks for that information, I di...Anonymous,<br /><br />Wow, thanks for that information, I did not see that link:<br /><br />http://www.archtoronto.org/romanmissal/resources.htm<br /><br />I guess that means yes; truly, they can't say that you can't sing that which is in the actual Roman Missal.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-51587366284906947632011-06-30T13:27:42.815-04:002011-06-30T13:27:42.815-04:00If you notice on the Archdiocese of Toronto websit...If you notice on the Archdiocese of Toronto website, in the Roman Missal section, they've posted organ accompaniments for the ICEL chant settings. It actually has the Gloria XV based setting, not the "Celebrate in Song" version. I wonder if that means we can use the Gloria XV setting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-33200390719097796292011-06-30T12:58:16.259-04:002011-06-30T12:58:16.259-04:00Dear Janet,
That is wonderful and I worked with P...Dear Janet,<br /><br />That is wonderful and I worked with Paul Jenkins about a decade or more ago on a fledgling Early Music group that was being formed by a mutual professional friend (it never really got off the ground). <br /><br />He is very fine musician!<br /><br />After many years wandering in the desert in my youth, it was the windows and choir at the Cathedral that the Holy Spirit used to bring me back. Beauty if from God. Give them beauty and let God do the rest!<br /><br />Ah, the Tabernacle. It should be at the apex where He belongs. <br /><br />Let your Pastor know this...if he asks, permission will be given.<br /><br />I know of five parishes in the last year where Our LORD has been put back in the centre. I would hope it would be ordered from the top but if permission is granted after a request that is a start!<br /><br />Sed Contra,<br /><br />Let the discussion begin.<br /><br />I applaud Bishop Boissonneau and I will not disobey him or the Pastor (though I can clearly be disappointed in the lack of choice).<br /><br />In this regard, the ball has been dropped by the CCCB which is so far behind the Brits and Americans it is not funny.<br /><br />Brick by Brick as our friend would say...<br /><br />How about starting on the Propers?Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-77755666975919069352011-06-30T10:50:47.627-04:002011-06-30T10:50:47.627-04:00The Toronto Archdiocese is blessed to have such a ...The Toronto Archdiocese is blessed to have such a rich musical patrimony both in the form of tradition and an abundance of trained musicians. <br /><br />Moreover, our episcopacy is evidently committed to promoting the dignity and beauty of the liturgy. Witness His Excellency Boissonneau’s direction -- http://archdioceseoftoronto.blogspot.com/2011/06/roman-missal-updates.html -- that all parishes use the ICEL Chants as one of its two mass settings for the next year. And witness the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops’ posting of Dr. Clare Johnson’s article, Is it time for a parish liturgical audit? -- http://nlo.cccb.ca/images/stories/liturgical_music_audit.doc --, which has many thoughtful observations and suggestions.<br /><br />What is needed now is a concrete plan of action that builds on these documents and implements the Holy Father’s desire for a “reform of the reform in continuity”. <br /><br />Perhaps this blog will be the place that discussion begins. Because “ecce nunc tempus acceptabile, ecce nunc dies salutis”.Sed Contranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-53835430250488062602011-06-30T09:58:08.406-04:002011-06-30T09:58:08.406-04:00Would like to report happily that over at Blessed ...Would like to report happily that over at Blessed Sacrament (Yonge and Lawrence), we have enjoyed the services of a number of Choir School cantors for years and we have a (I believe) full-time paid (and superb) organist, Paul Jenkins. Our pastor is extremely supportive of the 11:30 choir's efforts, and pays our cantors (and instrumentalists as necessary to support the liturgy.)<br /><br />We know that some parishioners come to Blessed Sacrament because of the music, particularly at the 11:30 mass.<br /><br />Oh, and one of our former ex-choir school cantors got an organ gig at an Anglican church, but is now "back in the fold" at St. Basil's.<br /><br />Now, if they'd just move the tabernacle back where it belongs, I'd be REALLY happy!Janet Berkmanhttp://berkman.canoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-57250776761362671042011-06-29T19:41:23.208-04:002011-06-29T19:41:23.208-04:00Vox, it's not just Toronto, although that woul...Vox, it's not just Toronto, although that would be a nice start. After all you folks are the centre of the known universe! ;-)<br /><br />I am originally from the Archdiocese of Vancouver. I cut my teeth, so to speak, on "Glory and Praise" and was told using Latin was forbidden (this was the 80s). It didn't take me too long to realize that this was not 'real' Church music.<br /><br />I've been doing my level best to encourage more traditional music, in an environment where the CBW is considered antiquarian.<br /><br />But hey, no point being a "Taliban" Catholic, right? (insert sarcasm here).<br /><br />I see a glimmer of hope in that our Bishops are finally starting to support, or at least pay lip-service to the Church's teaching on chastity and gay "marriage". Perhaps Hell is starting to cool. Perhaps we will one day have worthy liturgy.<br /><br />I suspect I won't see it on this side of the veil.JPhttp://catholicanuck.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com