tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post3206858990943670276..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: On this Feast of St. Michael, St. Michael's Cathedral in Toronto is rededicated Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-41570858772927420212016-12-20T04:59:01.571-05:002016-12-20T04:59:01.571-05:00Hello Niko,
A traditional Mass was held on the Fe...Hello Niko,<br /><br />A traditional Mass was held on the Feast of Christ the King, last Sunday of October. Ad oriented is not a problem. How long you ask? it could take a generation. One in Seminary now might need to be Archbishop. Or, Rome could be destroyed along with the Vatican ll hippies and a new Pope is elected from Fatima and immediately consecrates Russia to Ou Lady and, voila! Grab some popcorn and your rosary, it's going to be a good show!!Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-64439195759766720332016-12-20T00:47:22.706-05:002016-12-20T00:47:22.706-05:00Hello Vox! I've noticed that the new Seminaria...Hello Vox! I've noticed that the new Seminarians tend to be more Traditional Leaning, while the older Priests are unfortunately still influenced under the essence of Vatican II. However I hope that later on, the Cathedral could possibly move the Tabernacle to the Center and eventually have the Mass in Ad Orientem instead of Versus Populem. Although I wonder how long it would take for this process to happen. How long do you think it would take?<br />Nikonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-18755520328265163462016-09-30T22:14:08.311-04:002016-09-30T22:14:08.311-04:00Indeed, and I pray to live to see it. I know many ...Indeed, and I pray to live to see it. I know many of those seminarians, not a pink powder puff to be found. Manly men who love Christ!Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-20994671386424744182016-09-30T21:49:47.592-04:002016-09-30T21:49:47.592-04:00Give it another 10-20 years, and I bet the taberna...Give it another 10-20 years, and I bet the tabernacle will be back where it belongs, and there will be a TLM every Sunday at the Cathedral. It just won't be until the old guard generation of clergy are retired. When Toronto's current seminarians are the priests in charge, things will get better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-77317766651265521772016-09-30T20:40:12.770-04:002016-09-30T20:40:12.770-04:00Well, it is an important occasion for the church i...Well, it is an important occasion for the church in Toronto. Without a doubt, this should have been rectified. The good news is that it could be done when the courage is there.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-71484426361483830192016-09-30T20:23:53.851-04:002016-09-30T20:23:53.851-04:00I was wondering if you would cover this event, giv...I was wondering if you would cover this event, given the obvious fact that the renovators have decided to keep the Eucharistic Jesus pushed to the side, while the congregation faces the bishop's chair. The Archdiocese of Toronto is clearly stuck in the errors of the 1960's when it comes to church design. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02959404760859071433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-38745864384768376722016-09-30T19:29:56.801-04:002016-09-30T19:29:56.801-04:00Anna,
In medieval England, and other places perh...Anna, <br /><br />In medieval England, and other places perhaps, the Blessed Sacrament was reserved hanging from the ceiling in a "dove."<br /><br />https://www.google.ca/search?q=blessed+sacrament+in+dove&safe=strict&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=670&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi6uM-NnrjPAhVC44MKHQ8SBS0QsAQILg#imgrc=Y3Ogum8uqp4HeM%3A<br /><br />Adoration came mostly after Aquinas. After Trent, the Tabernacle was required on the main altar, though in Cathedrals, it was a chapel.<br /><br />At Vatican II, there was this diabolical move against the "real presence." They wanted to downplay the "static presence" in the tabernacle, and promote the "dynamic presence" on the altar. <br /><br />The problem with Mass facing the people and the tabernacle in the middle is obvious, the priest turns his back on the LORD. <br /><br />I can see the tabernacle separate but in the middle so that the altar is free-standing, but, Mass must be "ad orientem." <br /><br />More important, I will assume that you've never been in a Masonic Lodge.<br /><br />Well, what do you think they look like? <br /><br />https://www.google.ca/search?q=interior+masonic+lodge&safe=strict&tbm=isch&imgil=S0d52UFPN15FjM%253A%253Bw2wXtVeEfKv-9M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.jackiegillies.co.nz%25252Fprojects%25252Farrowtown-masonic-lodge-lodge-kilwinning-arrowtown%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=S0d52UFPN15FjM%253A%252Cw2wXtVeEfKv-9M%252C_&usg=__Gt24PmcjM94WPYwbmhvEfdImnjw%3D&biw=1280&bih=670&ved=0ahUKEwjcu8eZn7jPAhXi7oMKHVYeDywQyjcIKQ&ei=FfXuV5zdKOLdjwTWvLzgAg#safe=strict&tbm=isch&q=interior+masonic+lodgeVox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-46207142984710008092016-09-30T18:58:17.077-04:002016-09-30T18:58:17.077-04:00Thank you Vox.. I was not aware of all these norms...Thank you Vox.. I was not aware of all these norms - I do appreciate what the Cardinal has done - God bless him for that - but when you have gone from church to church to see it shoving the Blessed Sacrament to the side - it's so sad. We've had to go to family events - different Catholic Churches in the arch - how many have The Lord completely shoved to the side - and yes all you see are the thrones of men - why can't they have their chairs on the side - I just know I need to see The Lord in the centre - I need my children to see The Lord there - I am all for beauty in the church . I once had an argument with someone - they stated the church should spend money to help the poor not beautify their churches - well all I could say is why didn't you help the poor instead of upgrading your bathrooms and kitchen etc.? It's my home ... Well the church - in the humble tabernacle - is the dwelling place of the King of kings, The Lord.. Does He not deserve to be surrounded by beauty? Very hard and dedicated work went into this renovation- that should be greatly appreciated by all - but the first question my kids asked when they saw the pictures was 'where is Jesus?' Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10905043428102683529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-59758572302948688532016-09-30T15:59:30.658-04:002016-09-30T15:59:30.658-04:00Hello Anna,
It is there, it is off to the left wh...Hello Anna,<br /><br />It is there, it is off to the left which you can see in the artistic rendering beyond the pulpit. Formerly, it was on the right side, where the choir now is.<br /><br />If you look at the original painting, that was an altar as was there on the right side (epistle) and two others in the transepts, now exits to meet the building code.<br /><br />I hear what you are saying, but in a Cathedral, the Blessed Sacrament is not normally reserved in the aspe, but in a chapel. This would be the case in the Roman basilicas and in gothic cathedrals prior to the Council of Trent. It is because the sedelia is in the center from where the bishop presides and represents Christ. It is twisted in nearly every parish making every priest a presider, like a bishop.<br /><br />In North America, the tradition was always that the tabernacle was on the main altar as this was the command of the Council of Trent. So, which applies now, the antiquarian manner or Trent?<br /><br />I think there mistake was to elevate the throne higher than the Altar, but this was the case there since 1965. The good news is that although it would take a redesign of the marble/slate of the floor from a design point of view, it could still be changed - in the future - in God's good time.<br /><br />Anna, it could be worse. Toronto is pretty fortunate compared to some places.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-54401166862336218152016-09-30T15:34:51.005-04:002016-09-30T15:34:51.005-04:00Vox, where oh where is Our Lord. Where is his thr...Vox, where oh where is Our Lord. Where is his throne. All I see is the throne of the Cardinal in the center of the altar. I agree that the beauty has been restored, but it's ugly without the Lord in His place, at the center, as the focus. Where is He? Am I mistaken? Am I blind? I was going to take my children to this beautiful cathedral, but no more, they will ask me, where is my Lord?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10905043428102683529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-65687820675466941312016-09-29T19:09:33.897-04:002016-09-29T19:09:33.897-04:00I read this wondering how this could happen today....I read this wondering how this could happen today. It's wonderful.<br />That beautiful space deserves the Holy Mass in the Extraordinary Form. Nothing else will match the magnificence of the space.Kathleen1031https://www.blogger.com/profile/10201084623185206141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-26019045242426096062016-09-29T18:22:23.516-04:002016-09-29T18:22:23.516-04:00Great post David! Love the photos of the old St Mi...Great post David! Love the photos of the old St Mikes. Too bad the photos were not used to remind the builders that the Tabernacle needs to be front and center and the altar rail restored to its rightful place. A beautiful job nonetheless BUT, a strike out in the bottom of the 9th, Bases loaded when a grand slam walkoff was guaranteed with the softball lob of a pitch given the rest of the plans... <br /><br />I guess Italian artisans can do traditional statues but not tabernacles and altar rails. A shame...Marcellinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14049294281904805027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-49359458260281630632016-09-29T12:50:48.792-04:002016-09-29T12:50:48.792-04:00'May he be inspired to one day, go just a litt...'May he be inspired to one day, go just a little bit further.' Definitely. I guess an ad orientem altar with Jesus Christ as our focal point would have been going too far. Sad.Maudie N Mandevillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07608333522668477953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-23771961084472384952016-09-29T10:01:11.871-04:002016-09-29T10:01:11.871-04:00Vox, excellent news about that Mass! I will make s...Vox, excellent news about that Mass! I will make sure to attend that. I assume by Feast of Christ the King you mean according to the traditional calendar, so October 30 and not the November Novus Ordo date.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-73457803857935287112016-09-29T09:03:30.619-04:002016-09-29T09:03:30.619-04:00I loved learning of Toronto's Catholic history...I loved learning of Toronto's Catholic history. May this be the re-beginning of a true flowering of The Faith in your fair city. Holy Mary pray for the Torontonians. St Michael, defend the Torontonians in battle against the evils of the Canadian state. Sandpiperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07513538957439176850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-25839561762336182252016-09-29T08:50:51.385-04:002016-09-29T08:50:51.385-04:00The Cardinal will actually preside at a Mass there...The Cardinal will actually preside at a Mass there on the Feast of Christ the King at 3:00PM.<br /><br />Yes, you read that correctly. Three Toronto priests will participate in the Holy Sacrifice in the Presence of the Greater Prelate.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-51617815476272788002016-09-29T08:46:34.334-04:002016-09-29T08:46:34.334-04:00God bless Cardinal Collins, and may St. Michael pr...God bless Cardinal Collins, and may St. Michael protect this beautiful Cathedral. <br /><br />Now we just need Una Voce to hold a Traditional Latin Mass there, and possibly get something regular started. That would really top off the whole restoration!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com