tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post8370162117662301573..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: Apostolic excruciating messUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-57735585422998863522016-04-08T17:22:04.332-04:002016-04-08T17:22:04.332-04:00Since when calling this obviously heretical i.e. s...Since when calling this obviously heretical i.e. satanic excrement Apostolic i.e. Divine is Catholic? Is your satanic-and-Divine-at-once Catholic? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-55764468222532954382016-04-08T17:04:59.422-04:002016-04-08T17:04:59.422-04:00Anonymous at 11:17 am, April 08, 2016:
I apprecia...Anonymous at 11:17 am, April 08, 2016:<br /><br />I appreciate your holy witness to Holy Mother Church. Your comment, that the "biblical doctrine of looking after orphans and widows is what needs to be developed," has caught my attention. <br /><br />The following comment from you has also awakened me: "From my experience over all these years, going to my fellow parishioners for help, no one wants to get involved, or even give you a hand to cut down a tree or unplug an eaves trough. There is no development of doctrine of how to help widows and orphans in our midst. We get pretty much shunned, the widows and orphans part of our society doesn't have much of a place."<br /><br />You have given me much to consider. You made excellent points. I wish the best for you. I hope to remember always your words.<br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-71710508988528265272016-04-08T15:22:29.857-04:002016-04-08T15:22:29.857-04:00Vox-permitting, I would like to offer please the f...Vox-permitting, I would like to offer please the following:<br /><br />I haven't read today's Apostolic Exhortation. I posted to another blog this morning several news media headlines about the document. The spin was that the document had revolutionized the Church's teachings on the family as well as sodomy.<br /><br />But seconds ago, I read the following headline from the New York Daily News:<br /><br />"Pope Francis’ new ‘Joy of Love’ precept offers no major overhaul of church doctrine, but urges a warmer approach toward ‘irregular’ couples". <br /><br />That isn't bad. I hope that the New York Daily News headline is an accurate assessment of the Exhortation. On Father McDonald's blog, he and some commenters have praised the Exhortation. Additional bloggers have praised the many good points offered in the document. Vox, I know that you noted that on "a positive note, the scripture reflections are quite nice."<br /><br />Not bad. Not bad. Again, I haven't read the document. But for now, what I can offer to my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ is that we must remain calm. I have to remain calm. We belong the One True Church. <br /><br />God is in charge of His True Church. We are his children. Therefore, let us remain calm. Let us deal with the unfortunate state of the Church. Let us at least recognize that unlike many spiritual leaders, our spiritual leader, Pope Francis, is a man of peace. Pope Francis is pro-life. He does the best that he can to shepherd the Church.<br /><br />Let us love our Pope. Let us reflect upon the Traditional teachings that he defends and promotes. Let us treat Pope Francis charitably when we disagree with his prudential decisions.<br /><br />Let us, during this very trying day, turn to the Blessed Virgin Mary, our great and holy spiritual Mother. Ask Her to intercede for us. Let us make Her ways our ways.<br /><br />Let us love His Holiness Pope Francis. He is the Vicar of Christ. Let us love and respect each other.<br /><br />May Vox continue to have the time and strength to keep his important blog up and running. Let us embrace Holy Tradition, which Vox promotes daily.<br /><br />I am a very poor writer. I can only speak from my heart. I realize that the Apostolic Exhortation today has upset many of my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. I wish you peace. Let us pray for each other. Let us pray that Holy Mother Church will regain Her pre-Vatican II holy glory. Let us pray for His Holiness Pope Francis. <br /><br />Pax.<br /><br />Mark ThomasMark Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-78752185866829063982016-04-08T14:46:38.870-04:002016-04-08T14:46:38.870-04:00Two hundred and thirty four dogmas comprise "...Two hundred and thirty four dogmas comprise "Our Catholic Faith without which it is impossible to please God" (Council of Trent, Session V, explaining the correct interpretation of Hebrews 11:6.) These positive "articles of faith" are fundamental truths which we Faithful accept without demur as being certain, by virtue of the authority of God, Who is absolute Truth.(Vatican I.) They represent the mind of Christ. St. Paul says: 1 Cor.2:16. "But we have the mind of Christ".<br />Hebrews 13:8: "Jesus Christ yesterday, and today: and the same for ever." No novelty! No change! No defectibility! No error! No fallibility! No evolution! God and His Catholic Faith are immutable!<br />Dogmas are not up for debate, neither are they reversible.<br />Catholics are called to cleave to Christ and His Church, which is One: 1 Cor. 1:10. "I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you: but that you be perfect in mind and in the same judgement."<br />There is no place for men to "pick and choose", or "recognise, but resist" the Truths proposed by the Church for they are bound in Heaven by God Himself. If something be decreed on earth and then be bound in Heaven, it must be Truth. Otherwise, God is not Truth. <br />Matthew 16:19: "And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in Heaven."<br />The Catholic Church is infallible because it is "the church of the living God, the pillar and the ground of the truth." I Tim. 3:15.<br />If a baptized person knowingly denies, or contradicts a dogma, he is guilty of the sin of heresy and is automatically excommunicated - be he pope, or layman.<br /><br />Matrimonial Dogmas:<br />1. Marriage is a true and proper Sacrament instituted by God.<br />2. From the sacramental contract of marriage emerges the Bond of <br />Marriage, which binds both marriage partners to a lifelong indivisible community of life.<br />3. The Sacrament of Matrimony bestows sanctifying grace on the contracting parties.<br /><br />The Catholic Church is indefectible and infallible; it cannot teach error. The NWO church is defectible, heretical and teaches error. It cannot be the Catholic Church!<br /><br />From Dr. Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, published by the Mercier Press Ltd., Cork, Ireland, 1955. With Imprimatur of Cornelius, Bishop. <br />Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-89710868034913519632016-04-08T13:36:50.172-04:002016-04-08T13:36:50.172-04:00Dear anonymous @ 11:17, I have no doubt that Our L...Dear anonymous @ 11:17, I have no doubt that Our Lord will reward you greatly - filled and pressed down - for your faithfulness to Him and your marriage vows. God bless you. XXXPeter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-44232508950875038552016-04-08T11:17:13.344-04:002016-04-08T11:17:13.344-04:00Why is everybody waiting what is coming out of Rom...Why is everybody waiting what is coming out of Rome. Until we get a papacy who from day one will turn things around, progressivism is a forgone conclusion.<br />Here is a snapshot of my life and where I see the failure of the church as embodied in the people of God.<br />I have been divorced since I was 23, I am now 79. It has been hard being everywhere the 5th wheel. Then there is the fact of there not being any male help, physical help and psychological help. When my neighbor accidentally breaks my window by his lawnmower flinging a stone, I have no clout to get him to fix it. Whereas a male friend of mine can go over there and come back with $200 in his hand to get the window replaced.<br />The biblical doctrine of looking after orphans and widows is what needs to be developed. From my experience over all these years, going to my fellow parishioners for help, no one wants to get involved, or even give you a hand to cut down a tree or unplug an eaves trough. There is no development of doctrine of how to help widows and orphans in our midst. I managed to support myself most of the time, but there were time when I was bullied by bosses to the extent and had to quit, there being no recourse in those days. And I became penniless. The easiest solution would have been to get remarried, but I am a Catholic, I don't believe in remarriage. Life only became easier after I got my old age pension. Even so, I am going to have to be buried in a pauper's grave, which is fine with me.<br />I do not care about, or am curious about whatever progressive doctrine comes out of Rome, they can't help it, that's how they have been formed for the last 60 years, which is equivalent to a lifetime. Rather we should develop our own doctrine of how to help the widows and orphans among us so that living as Catholics, in whatever state we find ourselves, is not only do-able but a shining example of how it can be done. We get pretty much shunned, the widows and orphans part of our society doesn't have much of a place.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-85045508847580888352016-04-08T10:48:38.990-04:002016-04-08T10:48:38.990-04:00I have not read the whole document so I am not sur...I have not read the whole document so I am not sure what I think.<br /><br />To me, from the excerpts you quoted, it doesn't sound as bad as I expected. <br /><br />The paragraph about being properly disposed to receive the Eucharist is odd, certainly; those passages from St. Paul have always been understood to refer to personal sin, not "creating divisions". This is Francis' pet topic that he keeps bringing up again and again: don't create "divisions" but "divisions" for him seems to mean "don't call people out on their sin". <br /><br />Paragraph 297 contains that strange, dangerous statement about how "no one can be condemned forever". Well, yes they can - they can go to hell for eternity. While still living, if we ask for God's forgiveness for our heinous sins, God will forgive a contrite heart. While we live, there is hope, as God is always calling His lost sheep home. But we can choose to reject him and choose eternal damnation instead, and that is a serious reality.<br /><br />However, the parts you bolded, Vox, surprised me in a good way - at least Francis is acknowledging that flaunting objective sin and trying to impose sin as moral is wrong. That's a big step for him, since he has always been so vague. I am also surprised to see that he reaffirms Familiaris Consortio. I expected him to ignore it or throw it out completely. <br /><br />Maybe I am feeling too optimistic since this document is not as bad as I expected it to be. But this:<br /><br /><i>Yet even for that person there can be some way of taking part in the life of community, whether in social service, prayer meetings or another way that his or her own initiative, together with the discernment of the parish priest, may suggest. </i><br /><br />I see Francis saying that <b>since divorced and remarried people living in adultery cannot receive the Eucharist</b>, attending Mass and going to prayer meetings or helping in a soup kitchen might be a means of bringing the divorced and remarried to the realization that their situation is sinful, and it may serve as a call to conversion. Do you think that is an acceptable understanding?<br /><br />For example, <i>"reach the fullness of God’s plan for them"</i> seems to indicate not living in sin, since God's plan for all of us is to return to Him in faithfulness.<br /><br />I'll read the rest when I can, at which time I will probably have a better understanding of the problems in the document as a whole. I just wanted to participate in the conversation.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-35719933834321574482016-04-08T10:04:58.583-04:002016-04-08T10:04:58.583-04:00P.S.
Guess how I knew that my last comment here ...P.S. <br /><br />Guess how I knew that my last comment here would be on the morning of April 8? Guess how I knew what it would be? I might have just as well composed it ahead of time. <br /><br />I knew you would be hysterical. Wait a little, listen to Mark Thomas or Rosica (one and the same method of excusing the inexcusable and muddying the waters to gradually change the unchangeable) - you will feel all better in no time, and again you will come after people like me with your expectation of "gentler" language and tone. A Catholic will inevitably be a "homophobe" then. Can't you see what you are doing? I assure you I am no "phobe". I DO hate lies and manipulations as well as mental acrobatics. My no is a no. <br /><br />Just what tone has the Church always used against liars and heretics? Bye. I this hasn't helped, nothing will. <br /><br />If I knew ahead of time exactly how UNcalm you would feel today, how come you did NOT? Dorotanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-16212810856644721472016-04-08T10:00:33.679-04:002016-04-08T10:00:33.679-04:00Dorota has left a new comment on your post "A...Dorota has left a new comment on your post "Apostolic excrement, indeed": <br /><br />Vox, <br /><br />I am not back. Never again. I am not going to waste my breath here any more. I am visiting this once only, because I see you fail to see that you can't have it both ways at the same time. Be rational. Calm down a little. MT is coming to the rescue. HE will tell you what to think about this, how to think about this - in order to be able to pretend that nothing irregular is going on (apart from some irregular situations and unions, of course). Nothing irregular in Rome, all very nice. He will have assorted quotes and denials for you. <br />You were very unjust toward me, and unjust toward MT, who likes to lie to himself. It is not good for him. <br /><br />You should tell MT to read Rosica's words, the ones you should read carefully, too. <br /><br />DAROTA:<br /><br />I've done nothing "unjust" to you! Your comment is unjust, in fact. <br /><br />I've asked you to stop badgering Mark.<br />Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-8728894243501523202016-04-08T09:58:07.456-04:002016-04-08T09:58:07.456-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-81698387823135338792016-04-08T09:33:19.681-04:002016-04-08T09:33:19.681-04:00Nice to see you back Darota.Nice to see you back Darota.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-11649606573588172762016-04-08T09:10:52.330-04:002016-04-08T09:10:52.330-04:00Vox
Once again, live from Rome, its Modernism Cen...Vox<br /><br />Once again, live from Rome, its Modernism Central with the Francis Zone. Are there not any bishops who have the courage to speak publicly what you are saying here and then demand Jorge's resignation? Are there any bishops who will say: "Sorry Jorge, my Diocese will remain Catholic and faithful."? Why is the defense of Catholic teaching left in the hands of courageous laity? This episcopal silence will continue...... What a bunch of milquetoasts. I am dreading the obsequious, slavish, sickly sweet statements that will now come out from the chancery offices and episcopal conferences. And the Spell of Vatican II continues it's destruction.<br /><br />Libera nos, Domine, a neglegentia episcoporum.<br />Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09368808073475935300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-41040336292101299262016-04-08T09:05:18.703-04:002016-04-08T09:05:18.703-04:00I say, some got what they clearly stated they want...I say, some got what they clearly stated they wanted - a calm feeling, after reading an irrational treatise in duplicity and wilful blindness. If not yet, then it is coming your way. <br /><br />I am not saying it to throw a temper tantrum (as someone suggested), but to show you how very disoriented you are. My comments were never unfortunately "homophobic". They were anti-sodomy. They were not shameless papolatry, sorry excuses for Bergoglio's diabolical disorientation, either. <br /><br />I stress - a rational person is one who uses well-constructed arguments, not one who consistently and stubbornly seeks for ways to excuse cognitive dissonance and lies. I do not care how good lies make you feel. <br /><br />Stop throwing a tantrum NOW. You are just like Bergoglio. A harmless man, maybe a little odd. Isn't it? Dorotanoreply@blogger.com