tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post6136466899373103332..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: The GIRM and the Calgarian Catholic ChurchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-80442020708334772432011-11-19T23:43:55.138-05:002011-11-19T23:43:55.138-05:00When are you being instructed to kneel for the Con...When are you being instructed to kneel for the Consecration? I had thought that we were to kneel after the epiclesis but the CCCB's website says before, so right after the Sanctus. What's everyone doing?Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-25259619477124300572011-11-14T22:30:36.980-05:002011-11-14T22:30:36.980-05:00I myself will be kneeling after receiving, upon ar...I myself will be kneeling after receiving, upon arrival at the pew. We have also heard we are to stand until all receive, but I will be following Cardinal Arinze on this one. <br /><br />capebretonerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-9474338321652103452011-11-14T16:56:45.930-05:002011-11-14T16:56:45.930-05:00Here we are being instructed by our bishop to rema...Here we are being instructed by our bishop to remain standing when we return to our pew and remain standing until all have received. I know that the Mass is not a private devotion and a common posture is good, but I am wondering, can this be interpreted in the same way as the direction for receiving communion? While that direction is to stand and receive on the hand, we all have a right to receive on the tongue while kneeling. But then again, just because we have a right doesn't necessarily mean we should exercise that right. I do not know what I am going to do!SWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-35734789758169573772011-11-14T15:53:01.279-05:002011-11-14T15:53:01.279-05:00Thanks, Vox. I understand that a bishop is not be...Thanks, Vox. I understand that a bishop is not beholden to his local conference, but it seems like the push for "uniformity" is the current vogue among our shepherds. <br /><br />All Victoria priests were instructed to preach on Bishop Gagnon's pastoral letter this weekend, and our priest made a big point of stressing that the Mass is not a private devotion, and that therefore we should adopt a common set of postures. I understand where he's coming from, and I will (of course) obey our bishop's directives. <br /><br />I do, however, lament the new standing posture after the Agnus Dei. As far as I'm concerned, when the Host is exposed, I should be on my knees pronto. It's what we do during the Consecration and during Adoration, so why should we stand for "Ecce Agnus Dei", one of the most solemn moments in our lives? <br /><br />Plus, in a large church like ours, there are a bunch of practical implications: Those at the front will receive first, and will be on their knees within moments, while those at the back will be standing (shuffling, fidgeting, staring into space, often chatting with their neighbours) for quite a long while. I can't imagine how this will make us more reverent and focused.<br /><br />Oh, and Bishop Gagnon is our second after De Roo; Bishop Roussin came immediately after, and yes, the poor man had a huge mess to deal with!Victoria Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-15068825537970674852011-11-14T14:41:55.900-05:002011-11-14T14:41:55.900-05:00It is important to remember that no bishop is a sl...It is important to remember that no bishop is a slave to the provincial or national conference. <br /><br />The Archbishop of Vancouver is within his right to have a different posture. The CCCB has no right to "dictate." The bishop reports to the Pope not the CCCB or BCCCB or whatever it is called. <br /><br />Bishop Bruskewitz of Lincoln long ago acted independently.<br /> http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/archives/2006/04/yes-bishop-brus.html<br /><br />In fact, in Lincoln, Ascension Thursday is on THURSDAY!Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-19279752343481461622011-11-14T14:32:46.917-05:002011-11-14T14:32:46.917-05:00We are fortunate in Toronto and much of Ontario th...We are fortunate in Toronto and much of Ontario that we have "laudable practice" though I suppose that has become less traditional in London and Ottawa and maybe the north over the years. <br /><br />In Toronto, we currently kneel from the end of the Sanctus to the end of the Doxology and from after the Agnus Dei though some parishes have regimented "sitting" after the Domine non sum dignus.<br /><br />The Bishop to watch in Canada is +Miller of Vancouver. A Red Hat is due to Canada soon, it does not necessarily have to go to Toronto. There is much to watch with this good man. He had mandated tabernacles back to the middle. Good too for the Bishop of Victoria, quite the change from the Enneagram, Call to Action, horse-player, land-developer, diocese bankrupting predecessor.<br /><br />Please visit this post and watch what Cardinal Arinze has to say about this matter.<br /><br />Just leave people alone...<br /><br />http://voxcantor.blogspot.com/2011/10/fighting-back-with-truth-and-clarity.htmlVox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-79259127304672829212011-11-14T12:55:12.728-05:002011-11-14T12:55:12.728-05:00SW said...
Question:
Are all dioceses in Canada d...SW said...<br /><br />Question:<br />Are all dioceses in Canada directing their people to stand after receiving communion until all have received?<br />============<br />Not as far as I know.Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-7247579861298995192011-11-14T12:50:55.159-05:002011-11-14T12:50:55.159-05:00@SW,
No. Here in the Diocese of Victoria, our Bi...@SW,<br /><br />No. Here in the Diocese of Victoria, our Bishop (Richard Gagnon) has sent out a pastoral letter on the new translation and postures, stating the following:<br /><br /><i>It is not necessary for all the Faithful to remain standing throughout the entire Communion rite until all have received. Paragraph 43 [of the GIRM] is intended to ensure <b>within broad limits</b> a certain uniformity of posture within the congregation for the various parts of the celebration of Holy Mass, but this is not to be interpreted so rigidly that people wishing to sit or kneel immediately after receiving the Lord in Holy Communion are not free to do so.</i> [Emphasis added.]<br /><br />Otherwise, the news is mixed over here. The good news is that all parishes on Vancouver Island are to kneel from the Sanctus to the Memorial Acclamation. Parishes without kneelers are permitted to make a profound bow during the Consecration instead of kneeling, but they have been instructed to install kneelers in the near future. Some of our less orthodox parishes have been standing throughout (even those with kneelers!) and I expect this will be a difficult adjustment for them.<br /><br />The not-so-good news? Well, we had previously been told that we would be kneeling throughout the Eucharistic Prayer and after the Agnus Dei, but apparently the BC Bishops decided a couple of weeks ago that, for the sake of uniformity, all parishes will kneel from the Sanctus to the Memorial Acclamation, and remain standing through the Agnus Dei until Communion. For most Victoria parishes, the only change will be that we stand during the Agnus Dei, since we have been kneeling up till now. This will feel awkward--especially saying "Lord, I am not worthy ..." while standing--but I expect we'll get used to it. <br /><br />These changes apparently apply to all Catholic Parishes in BC--<i>with the huge exception of Vancouver</i>. They will kneel throughout the Eucharistic Prayer and presumably after the Agnus Dei as they have been accustomed to doing. This kind of makes a mockery of the BC Bishops' call for "uniformity", but there's no helping it, I guess.Victoria Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-89663482912860390512011-11-14T11:53:30.048-05:002011-11-14T11:53:30.048-05:00Question:
Are all dioceses in Canada directing the...Question:<br />Are all dioceses in Canada directing their people to stand after receiving communion until all have received?SWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-49785161576734596682011-11-13T16:12:03.909-05:002011-11-13T16:12:03.909-05:00This morning our liturgy coordinator stood up and ...This morning our liturgy coordinator stood up and mentioned that from Nov. 26 everyone who was able to was to kneel for the Consecration, from immediately after the Sanctus until the Memorial Acclamation, and that those who couldn't kneel were to make a profound bow at the Elevation (if she'd said 'when the priest genuflects after the elevation' nobody would ever bow since the priest refuses to genuflect). She also mentioned maintaining silence for the last 5 minutes before Mass (a massive change for our chatty parish), the EMHCs not coming to the sanctuary until after the priest receives Communion, of silence before Mass to prepare ourselves.<br /><br />After she was through speaking and had returned to her pew, the priest who is presently overseeing our parish while we are between pastors came to the microphone and said "These things B. spoke of are just suggestions. We should keep being the friendly parish we've always been and socialize with our neighbours when we come in. I don't agree that we've done anything wrong in the last 30 years and I totally disagree with these changes. I haven't seen what the new words are since I don't normally celebrate Mass in English but I don't think they are very different." (BOY, IS HE IN FOR A SHOCK WHEN HE CELEBRATES HIS FIRST ENGLISH MASS IN 2 WEEKS!)Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-16501413485509550222011-11-12T01:01:30.299-05:002011-11-12T01:01:30.299-05:00Shameful. A bishop who directs that the crucifix b...Shameful. A bishop who directs that the crucifix be "put to the side" is a bishop afraid to put God first in the Liturgy. Shame. DNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-18558178594783250642011-11-10T21:36:58.710-05:002011-11-10T21:36:58.710-05:00A very well written post. Hopefully the errors pr...A very well written post. Hopefully the errors prescribed by the bureaucracy will be corrected by the Bishop. How I long for a communion rail to make a comeback :)<br /><br />capebretonerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-51565026947521916272011-11-09T22:20:02.042-05:002011-11-09T22:20:02.042-05:00Re. the ministers of Communion entering the sanctu...Re. the ministers of Communion entering the sanctuary. Since the EMHCs may be in the sanctuary for the entire Mass and shake hands with the priest at the Rite of Peace but remain away from the altar until after he's received Communion, why can't they enter the sanctuary at the Sign of Peace and do the same?Gabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13307116304179835358noreply@blogger.com