tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post6016488069467738648..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: Homily by Father Juan Carlos Gavancho - did this get him removed?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-73927802055630349872018-09-08T14:47:51.257-04:002018-09-08T14:47:51.257-04:00He just preached that laity should have discernmen...He just preached that laity should have discernment spirit and they kicked him out, how much more when he preaches about salvation that our sin have being forgiving us for Christ sake. That one will make them kill him or are we not aware that No born again man would enter hell fire, for Christ has paid for our sin therefore we are righteous before God through Jesus, the reason so many Christians are in the house of psychiatrist home is becouse they are not sure of their salvation and so they are afraid that if they die they will go to hell fire and the anxiety touched their brain and start behaving as one who is illmental. Untill now Catholic church are not preaching this gospel truth some said if laity knows about it they go on committing sin, which is false. Time has come when they should start telling the congregation the truth about theirs salvation. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225781062534553783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-29343602491168269582018-09-08T07:52:12.013-04:002018-09-08T07:52:12.013-04:00I’m confused by the update at top and the update a...I’m confused by the update at top and the update after the conversation. So, is it believed that he was released because of the sermon? Not that I doubt it, just trying to understand. And that comment about having experienced a rude priest, oh yeah. But yes, we’ve all been rude ourselves. And have you ever seen the Church move so fast? Having been a lifelong Catholic and having worked for the Church twice, I am very disheartened by the current state of affairs. We are in serious trouble.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-12583743293752009192018-09-06T11:13:49.621-04:002018-09-06T11:13:49.621-04:00Fr. Gavancho needs to get in his car and drive to ...Fr. Gavancho needs to get in his car and drive to the FSSP in Pennsylvania and ask to join. I'm sure they would be glad to have him!NIdahoCatholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17902295799846682496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-43870962654816547752018-09-06T03:55:02.016-04:002018-09-06T03:55:02.016-04:00At this point, nothing happening in the Church can...At this point, nothing happening in the Church can surprise me anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-4195973465238708272018-09-06T01:27:40.391-04:002018-09-06T01:27:40.391-04:00I was one of Father JC’s parishioners in Chicago. ...I was one of Father JC’s parishioners in Chicago. He was a MOST WONDERFUL priest! He walked us through the entire Catechism in a weekly class that met every Friday for 2 and a half years. It was the most enlightening time of my life as a Catholic. I learned SO much from him and he incorporated frank discussions about current events right into our weekly readings. People came from other churches for that class. It was so GOOD to have a priest who spoke frankly and honestly with us about every aspect of the Faith you can imagine. He is SO knowledgeable on the Faith and was willing to field ANY question, even on the most controversial topics.<br /><br />He is also a gifted, classically trained tenor who won awards for his singing back in Peru. He did several classical concerts with the classical Sacred music Spanish speaking artists community in Chicago. He preferred Gregorian chant and classically Sacred music for both his English AND Spanish-speaking Masses. He was beginning to build a strong following from Spanish-speakers from all over Chicago when the priest he worked for retired and a new effeminate guy took over and brought his own live-in boy with him. The new priest cut out the Spanish Mass and let the Spanish-speaking community know in no uncertain terms that they were no longer welcome.<br /><br />He upset some of the Euro-modernists by placing a veil over the door of the tabernacle. He decorated the altar elaborately according to his artistic tastes and angered Euro-modernists and even some traditionalists who wanted a more bare altar look to go along with the modern design of the Church. <br /><br />He bought 2 beautiful but expensive life-size Hispanic Saint statues (Sts. Rosa and Martin De Pores) which the Spanish-speaking community began a fundraising campaign to pay for. The Euros loathed his additions and resented their presence in the Narthex. He started having Christ the King processions around the neighborhood which were attended almost exclusively by the Spanish-speaking members. He had the complete support of the Euro pastor who hired him, but knew the hand-writing was on the wall when that priest announce his retirement, and Cupich came onboard as the new Archbishop.<br /><br />I absolutely loved Father JC. He was firm, but completely and vigorously orthodox. He had a love for the traditional Latin Mass, but was willing to do the Novus Ordo since in this particular church because he was still facing East, even though his preference would have been to face the high altar, which he sometimes did when certain quick-to-complain parishioners were not present. <br /><br />He spoke frankly in his Confessional sessions. He was not from the Church of “Nice.”<br /><br />He refused to baptize a baby who he was not convinced had a reasonable hope of being raised Catholic because neither parent attended Church regularly and grandmother who insisted did not even have the permission of the parents to proceed with the baptism anyway. <br />Poorly-catechized parishioners did not like that he used the traditional exorcist language in baby baptisms.<br /><br />He was firm and had strong stands on orthodoxy and Truth. I have never found another priest like him since those days and believe me I have visited many parishes since then in Chicago, Tulsa and Houston. The only place that has come close is St. John Cantius in Chicago, Precious Blood in Tulsa and St. Ann’s in Houston. I admired him greatly and hope he lands somewhere where people will appreciate his uncompromising orthodoxy. God’s speed, my dear beloved Father JC!JCMeg56https://www.blogger.com/profile/10273983410077170242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-49471995362872301472018-09-05T20:05:24.369-04:002018-09-05T20:05:24.369-04:00Have you ever seen an associate pastor pitched out...Have you ever seen an associate pastor pitched out on the street with one hours notice unable even to take his belongings with him For being hard to get along with? This story is bizarre. There's something wrong with the official version.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16613061792813030551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-78860289129088567402018-09-04T15:50:45.038-04:002018-09-04T15:50:45.038-04:00He hides his cassock and the TLM?
Pray for him to...He hides his cassock and the TLM?<br /><br />Pray for him to find more strength. These are the very things that set priests apart from the wolves. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09046689081374625637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-32580339793241142712018-09-04T15:31:05.136-04:002018-09-04T15:31:05.136-04:00God bless Fr. Gavancho for speaking the truth! And...God bless Fr. Gavancho for speaking the truth! And thanks to Vox for posting this article.<br /><br />As has already been mentioned here in the combox, Fr. Gavancho could join a traditional order, though he may not know how to celebrate the TLM. The SSPX might indeed be a good place for him, but then the SSPX resistance might also be a good place, since the bishop for the Resistance here in the U.S. is Hispanic, originally from Mexico - Bishop Gerardo Zendejas. Bp. Zendejas can be contacted though the Non Possumus website, which is a blog run by Fr. Trincado, and it's a Spanish blog. I hope that I will be able to post a link: <br /><br />http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/<br /><br /><br /> ~ M. Ray<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-31291494328502289942018-09-04T13:20:35.914-04:002018-09-04T13:20:35.914-04:00Oh for real men willing to go to the rectory some ...Oh for real men willing to go to the rectory some night soon, make the snake/pastor an offer he couldn't refuse, or maybe drive him to some desert wilderness and drop him off w/o a phone. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-16032398678446760062018-09-04T09:40:50.214-04:002018-09-04T09:40:50.214-04:00Could fr. Gavancho have his visa renewed by joinin...Could fr. Gavancho have his visa renewed by joining a traditional order or SSPX? Priests like him are definitely needed in the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-44345147085712359332018-09-04T01:27:35.884-04:002018-09-04T01:27:35.884-04:00https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the...https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-sermon-that-cost-a-brave-priest-his-job/<br /><br />UPDATE.2: I’ve just heard from a friend I trust who has direct personal knowledge of the situation. He suggested that I change the headline back, saying that Father Gavancho was definitely kicked out because of this homily. I also got Father Gavancho’s phone number, and called him tonight. Here is Gavancho’s version of what happened:<br /><br />The pastor of his parish, Our Lady of Sorrows in Santa Barbara, asked him to meet privately at 6pm on Tuesday, two days after delivering the homily. The pastor told him that he had to get out of the rectory that evening. The parish will pay to store your things for one week, Gavancho said he was told, but after that, you’re on your own. Gavancho spent that night in a hotel, with as many of his belonging as he could stuff into his car stored there. Gavancho had been resident in the parish for only six weeks.<br /><br />The next day he reported to the Archdiocese of Los Angeles vicar for clergy office. He was told that his right to say mass in Los Angeles was being removed. Gavancho asked why. The official meeting with him was surprised that he didn’t know, and presented a piece of paper with ten complaints by the pastor of his parish against him.<br /><br />The above homily was on the list. The other complaints are, in Gavancho’s view, either things that happened, but were twisted by the pastor to make them sound bad, or did not happen at all. The priest gave me a couple of examples. I won’t get into the details here, because they are extraordinarily petty.<br /><br />Gavancho said at no point was he allowed to defend himself. The decision to oust him was made without his input. This is the second time he has been asked to leave a California diocese. He came to Los Angeles from Santa Rosa, where he had gone after friction in the Archdiocese of Chicago, his home diocese.<br /><br />“I have to recognize that yes, trouble has followed me, not because I’m a troublemaker, but because the situation in the Church is so difficult that priests like me don’t fit in well,” Gavancho told me.<br /><br />I asked him to explain. He said that he is orthodox in his Catholicism, and outspoken.<br /><br />“I’m not a priest who always preaches about hell, abortion, or homosexuality,” he said. “I preach on whatever the Gospel reading was that day. If it talks about the poor, I preach on the poor. I defended immigrants in a homily not long ago. Sometimes they try to portray me as someone who is mean, but that’s not true.”<br /><br />Gavancho said at his Santa Barbara assignment, he tried to be on his best behavior. “I didn’t wear my cassock precisely because I knew [the pastor] wouldn’t like it,” he said. “I didn’t go to other places and say the Latin mass because I knew he would get mad.”<br /><br />But here he is, with nowhere to go. In our conversation, Gavancho expressed concern that people would think that he reached out to me. (He didn’t; I called him.) He seemed hesitant about talking to me, but said after delivering that homily, he didn’t want to be a hypocrite.<br /><br />“The time in the Church has come for people to speak out,” he said. “I can’t tell people not to say anything now because I don’t want to get in trouble.”<br /><br />Gavancho told me that he’s praying now that some other bishop will take him. Failing that, he’s hoping to find a place to stay for the next six weeks, and a place to store his books and personal belongings, or the funds to pay for a hotel, until he can get back home to Peru to see his mother. He has planned to fly back on October 15. He thought it would be a normal visit back home, but now the flight back may be a one-way trip.<br /><br />“I had to speak the truth,” he said, about his homily. “But the consequences have been terrible.”<br /><br />I have changed the headline back to the original form.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-31495411034245293722018-09-03T22:59:24.343-04:002018-09-03T22:59:24.343-04:00Rude??????????? If every priest who was rude to a ...Rude??????????? If every priest who was rude to a parishioner was expelled we wouldn't have any priests left. Come on people, priests are people too. If any of you have NEVER been rude, step up and cast the first stone!!!!!!!!!! There is some other reason for this!C. LaSallehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172827779493356123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-62224308169704021312018-09-03T22:53:25.557-04:002018-09-03T22:53:25.557-04:00Funny how faggy priests continue unimpeded by thei...Funny how faggy priests continue unimpeded by their bishops but if a priest dares to be orthodox he is immediately dismissed and treated like a leper.jim norwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02341615145044957691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-19316870827628366492018-09-03T21:49:45.948-04:002018-09-03T21:49:45.948-04:00It's now up to the parishioners of that parish...It's now up to the parishioners of that parish to get out on the streets & protect that priest. To meet with the Bishop & tell him - no we will not let you take Fr. Gavancho from us, he is our kind of priest. That's what parishioners in Huelva (Spain) did when the national press descended upon them with their cameras & microphones demanding to speak with their priest & to his congregation, claiming he was a pedophile. Now, when he came to that parish initially the first thing he told them was that he was homosexual but assured them he was chaste & would always remain so, as it was his only wish to serve Mother Church & her people. It was amazing to hear the many voices saying what a wonderful & hard-working priest he was - never before had they anyone like him. Wonderful counsellor even helping them to obtain their civil rights from government offices, etc. The man hardly slept but was now holed-jup in the presbytery. They surrounded his house & fought off the journalists. The Bishop (who supported him) came,celebrated Mass informed the locals he had no intention of removing their priest whom he held in great regard, & told the remaining journalists to go home - there was no story to be had there, which they did. That was some years ago & to my knowledge he is still serving that parish.<br /><br />In cases such as this, where the parishioners are pleased with the services provided by their priest who they visibly see leading a holy life, preaching the gospel as it should be preached & tending to their spiritual welfare, they need to take matters into their own hands. If they know that this man has been taken away because he gave a great sermon, they must do something to get him back again. There should be no place in the CC for politically correctness - priests/prelates should be only concerned with saving souls & they can only do this by leading a prayerful life themselves, by devoting their time & energy to bearing witness to the gospel & giving comfort to & blessing the sick in preparation for them to meet their Saviour. Little of this is done nowadays as we all know. The man I speak about did & was loved by his congregation. It's now up to those good people of Santa Barbara to do likewise & hold on to their Fr. Gavancho. Ana Milanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13614286775064340959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-44217984731380827122018-09-03T20:08:36.534-04:002018-09-03T20:08:36.534-04:00Nothing new here, same thing happened to Fr John C...Nothing new here, same thing happened to Fr John Corapi, preach the truth, remain faithful to Christ and his mystical body on earth,the church and your history! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com