tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post2140409311282222783..comments2024-03-27T11:26:55.051-04:00Comments on Vox Cantoris: Part the Second on the $400,000.00 "plus shipping" Holy-Moly Doors at Toronto's Our Lady of Sorrows ChurchUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-26987758303472452582016-02-01T09:43:19.289-05:002016-02-01T09:43:19.289-05:00Barona: It may be as you say. I have no first-hand...Barona: It may be as you say. I have no first-hand knowledge of this project. But I think you are actually making my point for me. Judas was disingenuous. Perhaps too, to some degree are the people who are criticizing the money spent on this door. It may be that there is an agenda at work in opposing the pastor there. Maybe people are justifying their dislike of the aesthetics by covering their objection with the cloak of moral opposition to the funds spent on the purchase. As I said, I don't know. <br /><br />All that I am suggesting is that people should reflect upon the passages I offered before they publicly criticize this purchase to ensure that their motives are as pure as possible. I see nothing offensive in counseling such an action, but I apologize to you if you believe that my comment is harmful or demeaning to you or to the poor you reference in your post.Fr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-19121003580693203322016-02-01T07:19:54.377-05:002016-02-01T07:19:54.377-05:00Whether one likes the "art" of the doors...Whether one likes the "art" of the doors or not is, indeed, subjective. My point is that there was nothing wrong with the old doors and they were integrated into the architecture of the edifice.<br /><br />As for the Judas Syndrome, Judas was a thief, a liar and a hypocrite and that is why his statement was so egregious to Our Blessed Lord. I wrote in both articles that money to beautify the church for God in worship is necessary. Restore the marble altar rail, the mensa to the reredos and so on. More important even than that, put the money into proper catechesis on matters of the Real Presence, Catholic morality, the evils of contraception. When was this last preached as opposed to a recent homily glorifying the state and culture's definition of "family."<br /><br />There is a church in Toronto where 70-80 years ago, the pastor and diocese approved the burying of a cemetery and its paving for a parking lot. Now, that poor parish is ordered to restore it by the provincial government at a cost of over $100,000.00. Yet, that building has not elevator and is amongst the worst in Toronto in terms of maintenance and is facing a struggle. There are other stories like this in old parishes with decaying infrastructure. <br /><br />How one can defend $400,000.00 plus or including shipping, we're not really sure, on two doors is indeed beyond my comprehension.<br /><br />As for those in the future getting used to them, I suspect when they see historical photographs they will say the same thing when we look at old photos of Toronto's wreckovated churches at a cost of millions wasted to destroy what poor immigrants built. Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-42795745767050996822016-02-01T04:47:17.398-05:002016-02-01T04:47:17.398-05:00Saint Michael's prayer was deemed "too ne...Saint Michael's prayer was deemed "too negative". That is shocking beyond speech! Those who said that are simply not Catholics. Full stop.Peter Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17952041193215971470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-60901560066122219222016-02-01T00:22:31.628-05:002016-02-01T00:22:31.628-05:00What their new door cost doesn't really matter...What their new door cost doesn't really matter. The real gem in this post is news that the clergy in Toronto are so deaf to spiritual battle that they would even refuse to invoke that awful prayer to the good angel. It just makes my job easier, I guarantee it! yours truly, ScrewtapeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-39320646288303283842016-01-31T22:32:22.784-05:002016-01-31T22:32:22.784-05:00I don't think there are too many people at the...I don't think there are too many people at the parish who are as outraged as you on this score. <br /><br />I agree with Anonymous' (the one referred to in the post) opinion as opposed to yours. <br /><br />And I think Fr. Moyle hit the nail on the head. If it were some architectural feature that you liked, you'd be singing its praises and others would be invoking better ways to spend the money like you're doing now and Judas did then. It's too subjective.<br /><br />I bet the doors will still be around when everybody commenting here is long gone. No one will remember the money and they'll grow on people. When the powers that be decide to change them in the future, there will be someone like you complaining then too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-74902150090694776842016-01-31T21:29:38.728-05:002016-01-31T21:29:38.728-05:00Anon at 7:54. Yes, he did. He tried to have it don...Anon at 7:54. Yes, he did. He tried to have it done after every Mass but it was deemed "too negative." Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-29480916029902918702016-01-31T21:09:34.687-05:002016-01-31T21:09:34.687-05:00Dear Fr. Moyle. Judas was disingenuous. I believe ...Dear Fr. Moyle. Judas was disingenuous. I believe it is unfair to equate the outrage of Catholics to Judas' hypocrisy. It is very reasonable to suggest that a very wealthy parish, whose church already had two fine doors, to donate the money to the needy of Toronto: e.g. St. Francis' Table, the Good Shepherd Refuge, the Society of St. Vincent de Paul etc.<br /><br />To think that this money was wasted in this manner, yet a mere few miles away people live on the streets is disgusting. Baronahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265555388172261643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-59902555214410150172016-01-31T19:54:09.641-05:002016-01-31T19:54:09.641-05:00Vox, is it really true that Cardinal Collins once ...Vox, is it really true that Cardinal Collins once encouraged priests to pray the St. Michael prayer after Mass, and they refused? That is so depressing. I think it is a beautiful prayer. The disinterest of priests to pray the prayer after Mass is probably a testament to declining belief in evil and the devil. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-23982405984441162552016-01-31T19:13:00.114-05:002016-01-31T19:13:00.114-05:00Christ is Born!
Dear Vox,
You have every right ...Christ is Born!<br /><br />Dear Vox, <br /><br />You have every right to be angry at such a waste of money. Being Ukrainian Greek Catholic, I love icons since they are part of my heritage. <br /><br />However, I love traditional Latin architecture as well. If you ever go on retreat at St. Ignatius Retreat House in Ridgefield, CT (USA), you will see a MAGNIFICENT marble Cross above the High Altar. <br /><br />Guesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14389930802662995142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-57567636921047847632016-01-31T18:37:06.260-05:002016-01-31T18:37:06.260-05:00Don't know anything about this door. Not its g...Don't know anything about this door. Not its genesis, creation, or funding. I do not know if the money was 'well spent' or not and I don't even belong to Toronto Archdiocese. So I have no stake in this fight.<br /><br />BUT...<br /><br />For those who are complaining that the money could (should?) have been spent on other more worthy purchases, may I ask that they at least take a moment or two and reflect on the lessons found in Mt 26:7 or Jn 12:3 before condemning this purchase. Maybe the cash could have been better spent but it should at least give one pause to think if they find themselves making the same argument as Judas.<br /><br />Fr. Tim Moylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030197987469327645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981956.post-26494781861975542982016-01-31T17:05:58.639-05:002016-01-31T17:05:58.639-05:00I am living in Toronto area; I am Catholic and imm...I am living in Toronto area; I am Catholic and immigrant from another country, and I can say one thing: Catholic Church here has no idea how financially privileged it is. Parishioners here are very generous, however the their faith is not taken care as it suppose to be. Many Catholic devotions are disappearing here. Nobody seems to care that all is slowly narrowing down to the Holy Mass and of course rich SOCIAL LIFE!!! (on the cost of spiritual one). Young people are disappearing from the Church (it is too boring for them, because NOBODY had ever explained to them the value and true meaning of the Holy Catholic Mass)...<br /><br />Meantime money are corrupting the Church from within. Too much of them, too easily accessed through the generosity of others, but recklessly spent like this doors...<br /><br />Is there a solution for all of these? Anyone? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com