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Saturday, 9 March 2019

Oh, so now, we are to believe that Bergoglio really meant, God's "permissive will?"

We are familiar with what Bergoglio did in Abu Dhabi signing the document with the Imam from Egypt. He stated that God willed the diversity of religions. At the time, we knew that nuance could be used to legitimise Bergoglio's blasphemy by saying it was God's "permissive" will. But if Bergoglio meant it to be interpreted that way, he would have had it written that way. It is the "Pope's" job to be clear, to be concise and to speak the truth. 

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On a recent "ad limina" visit, Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Kazakhstan questioned Bergoglio and he allegedly received permission from Bergoglio to issue a statement that he, Bergoglio, really meant, God's "permissive" will.

What a wiley Modernist. What a manipulative con man is this Bergoglio.

Oh, Bishop Schneider, how you have been used. It is a shame to see it occur to you in real time.


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-schneider-extracts-clarification-on-diversity-of-religions-from-pope-francis-brands-abuse-summit-a-failure

36 comments:

  1. Francis knows he's in trouble. IF the trouble eases, Schneider will face the consequences.

    Schneider is just being used in a moment of need.

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  2. The revolution continues unabated. The inertia of the resistance is a sign of resignation. The faithful need to change from a worm to an eagle without delay. The inertia stops nothing. Action and a foundation based on tradition needs to have a visible presence. Many souls have been lost but many more are at stake yet there are crickets from most prelates. The fruits of the reformation, communist revolution and Vatican 2 are bored, disinterested, easily fooled laity and clerics. Question I have....if there is no sin (or hell) why do we need redemption? If no Redemption needed, why believe in Jesus Christ, the moral code (what is that?) or any church precepts for that matter? The Bride of Christ is being destroyed by evil forces within and outside the Church AND nothing is being done to counteract it. A counter-Revolution is needed and yet there is nothing, nada, zippo.

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  3. The CC has always used 'permissive' & 'positive' will to get out of difficult questioning. God cannot permit/condone/allow sin of any kind for whatever reason as He is sinless Himself & His Will must be adhered to if we wish to be saved. He sent His Son to earth to establish the OHC&A Church & did not, by His permissive will, allow it to be shattered into 38,000 or so false religions & scripture always refers to unbelievers as Pagans. Heathens or Infidels.

    I am sorry that Bishop Schneider seems to have accepted PF's explanation & his satisfaction that PF gave him permission to inform us. The Abu Dhabi document still exists, as does that sham monstrosity of an Agreement which put Chinese Catholics into the arms of the Communist Regime. How can anyone say PF is a valid & licit Pope? IMO he s the False Prophet of whom Bishop Sheen had this to say: "In the midst of all his seeming love for humanity and his glib talk of freedom and equality, he will have one great secret which he will tell to no one: he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect."

    To the silent Cardinals I would venture to say "The power of evil men lives on the cowardice of the good." St. John Bosco. And "You cannot please both God & the world at the same time, they are utterly opposed to each other in their thoughts, their desires & their actions." St. John Vianney.

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  4. I'm sure that official statement from Francis is coming really soon Bishop Schneider.

    But unless they officially tear up that document before the whole world, Francis little words mean jack little &$^%.

    I'm sure Cardinal Zen knows all about how much you can trust whatever Pope Peron tells you.

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  5. Plus it is utterly ridiculous to think that anyone besides a few Catholics would be reading into the document "permissive will." Francis of course knew this when he signed it and probably ready figured he might need to throw out the "permissive will" defense if any of those rigid neo-pelagian Catholics came after him.

    I abhor the Francis.

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  6. Vox, as always, you are RIGHT ON!

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  7. I believe, because of my trust of Archbishop Schneider, that he is acting as a reporter here, simply conveying what transpired, leaving it up to us to determine what to make of it. The way he phrases his question convinces me that he knows the answer he received is untenable. Male/female, different races, of course part of God's plan, and thus His directive will. Adding to that sentence variety of religions, he cannot but mean this is directive as well. And the good archbishop conveyed to us the fact that Francis/Bergoglio will not be issuing any formal clarification.

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  8. I do so wish that Bishop Schneider was "being used." Anyone compos mentis who is still going along with Bergoglio's blatant malevolence at this stage in the game, I am afraid, must be understood as doing so culpably.

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  9. Of course not, Vox, and I think very few think otherwise.

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  10. Mr. Lowe,

    Very interesting that you explicitly used the word "counter-revolution." What have you been reading?

    More to the point, would responding with violence to violence really be the answer? Remember, revolutionaries always eat their own. Maybe the inertia you complain about is an acknowledgement that it is not our place to make battle with the Church, and instead state the simple Truth She has always proclaimed while making do with the time and place we are in.

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  11. This particular Pope is the prince of revolution. Weak attempts of correction, although welcomed, have had minimal affect. Meanwhile souls are lost. Violence is not the solution but strong vocal resistance would go a long way to putting this pope on the defense AND give hope to the laity and clerics. Every single day we are assaulted with his modernist materialism bs. Will no one stand up and refuse to sit down until he corrects his errors?

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  12. Um, I believe you're writing on one of the few blogs which stands up and refuses to sit down until he corrects his errors.

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  13. The line in the sand has long been erased.

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  14. I agree with you 100% meetdeathinthestateofgrace! I absolutely think he KNEW exactly how to phrase his questions and a kind of: "I report, you decide". Bishop Schneider is no coward, and no dummy.

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  15. Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
    all of us, no matter how much in disagreement, are part of the Remnant. I will not listen to anyone who denies it.
    So... for years now we have been finding ourselves to be under attack. If it were by Satan, we would understand, but... it is by our shepherd in Rome who wants to destroy the Church! He seems to hate the Word of God Himself!
    We are gathered here, attempting to make sense of it, all in light of what the Church has always taught us. It is impossible to find logical and convincing answers to our dilemmas. Dear Peter Lamb has them, but I have to think about my Mother, who has not known anything other than NO (she did, when she was a child, but that was a long time ago). My Father died a faithful NO Catholic, who followed everything the Church has always taught to the best of his ability.

    At this moment I simply want to say: Thank you God, my heavenly Father, for Vox, and thank you for all the people here. Holy Jesus, as your Disciples fought among themselves, so do we disagree, but we all want to be faithful to You.

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  16. THE USEFULNESS OF THE FALSE RIGHT
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/177bev04_27_2015.htm

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  17. Irenaeus....I am in total agreement...this blog is top notch. I am shaking my fist at those who deliberately or naively are destroying two pillars of the church...faith and tradition.

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  18. Bishop Schneider did what a good Bishop should do.. He personally asked the Pope for a clarification and he got the clarification and told everybody willing to listen to him what the clarification was.

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  19. @ Paul Morphy

    The obvious reply by Archbishop Schneider ought to have been "that's not what your document states"

    Was Francis lying again back then, or lying again now?

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  20. We don't have any better than Schneider. Maybe he didn't anticipate the response he got and had no decisive comeback at the ready. If it was me, I would have expected Francis to simply fire me on the spot. Surely that was one conceivable outcome. -Jeff

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  21. Anonymous @1210... in answer to your lying questions: YES-BOTH times.

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  22. Bishop Schneider did not say we must accept the response of The Pope. He is just reporting it.

    The good Bishop prolly expects the average Catholic adult to understand this problem and the Bishop's questioning seems to reveal that was part of his purpose in asking The Pope.

    The question was masquerading as criticism.

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  23. Curious article there, Charmaine. It's basically saying, "Thanks, you useful idiots." Bold claims there, too.

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  24. Dear Charmaine, Spot on. They - burke, schneider, napier, sahara et al,are controlled opposition. They make conservative noises when necessary to reassure semi- "traditionalists" when they get jittery. All have sworn allegiance to heretic bergoglio and his satanic judeo-masonic "church." The day of reckoning will come for all informed gutless "Catholics" who recognize and abet the judeo-modernists.

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  25. https://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A823-Mont.htm

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  26. How truly disgusting and blasphemous those photos are! The "priests" and "bishop" in Montreal who permit this will burn in hell with their master. How terrible the novus ordo is!

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  27. is the Catholic Church visible and does it have a Pope?

    Many who comment in here clearly do not think it is public nor does it have a Pope but that is a heretical idea and yet they who hold that heresy are the most virulently vocal in denouncing legitimate Bishops of the visible Catholic Church and faithful laity who are told they are going to Hell.

    Talk about diabolical deception

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  28. ABS...thanks for that. I’m reading Richard Rex on Luther now, and he was jolly believer in invisible Church, you can bet your epistles of straw on that.

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  29. Dear Mr. Lamb. Where is the visible Church and its hierarchy, both of which Jesus Christ established and promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against?

    Always be ready to give reason for your beliefs; 1 Peter 15.

    Mr. Lamb. you do not have faith and so you can not answer the first simple direct question. You can only mock those who are faithful.

    You are an angry apostate whose rhetoric of hatred and vilification of the Church and its Hierarchy are aught but the psychological projections of a deeply wounded and troubled soul.


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  30. Little Mark,
    So you condone the hanging of "rainbow" banners in what purports to be a Catholic Cathedral. You acclaim and defend clergy who by hanging up these banners, promote and approve the cause of sodomy - one of the most heinous sins which cry to Heaven for vengeance. How do these banners influence innocent children who go to "mass" there? The message they get is loud and clear - sodomy is fine and good! It must be good if it is advertized in "church" - not so? No sodomy is evil and clerics who condone and promote it are evil and leading souls to hell. The Catholic Church cannot teach evil, or anything harmful to the salvation of souls. You obviously do not know that, or believe that, or you would not rush to defend the clergy who permit the hanging of sodmite banners in their faux cathedral. Their evil action, harmful to souls, PROVES to Catholics that they are not Catholic clergy and that their church is not the Catholic Church. That was the subject of my comment. It had NOTHING to do with the subject of the visible Church. But you deflect and raise red herrings as always, ad nauseam.
    The Temporal Catholic Church is built of living human Members and not of bricks and mortar. Your judeo-masonic comrades have successfully invaded and usurped our Catholic properties. The visible Church is visible in the faithful Catholic Clergy and faithful Catholic Laity who still exist. If only one Catholic were left alive in the whole world, the Church would be visible in him, or her.

    You are a novus ordo trog, an aider and abettor of modernist heretics and you will end up like your masters if you do not mend your very nasty ways.

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  31. ABS. I have not and will not approve your last comment.

    Enough!

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  32. Dear Vox. It is your Blog and you can do as you desire but it seems odd that you would not approve ABS' comment after allowing Mr. Lamb to routinely rant and rage against the Church - Pope,Cardinals, Bishops - and telling all of those who are faithful that they are gong to Hell.

    But, it is your Blog.

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  33. Your last comment directed towards Dr. Lamb was a disgrace and not helpful to rational debate.

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  34. Mr. Lamb claims: The visible Church is visible in the faithful Catholic Clergy and faithful Catholic Laity who still exist. If only one Catholic were left alive in the whole world, the Church would be visible in him, or her.

    Protestant Westminster Confession says:

    The visible Church, which is also called Catholic or universal under the gospel, consists of all those throughout the world who profess the true religion, and their children

    Almost word for word, Mr. Lamb confirms he is a protestant.

    Dear Vox. ABS is done here but before leaving he notes that while you allow Mr. Lamb (actually you have encouraged him by your praise of his beliefs) to try and preach to men to get them to leave the Church you criticise members of the Hierarchy preaching error.

    You are a tad lacking in self-awareness.

    Adios

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  35. Ciao. Give my regards to Mark Thomas.

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