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Wednesday, 8 March 2017

"But only a small number were perfectly sound"

Let the reader discern.

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"Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities ... I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound. I also saw the Holy Father - God-fearing and prayerful. Nothing left to be desired in his appearance, but he was weakened by old age and by much suffering. His head was lolling from side to side, and it dropped onto his chest as if he was falling asleep ... " Blessed Anne Katherine Emmerich.

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45 comments:

Anonymous said...

Perfect Vox!

OLGS said...

Given the scandal and actions of JPII against the Catholic faith, as well as the goood he did, who knows? The suffering may have been brought about by his own scandals coupled with the enemies of the Church all around him. God fearing and prayerful, but certainly not worthy of canonization. If one thinks Francis' destruction of moral doctrine is bad, wait until the Church wakes up and realizes the corruption of doctrine John Paul II helped to bring in regards to no salvation outside the Church and the nature of the Church herself. It will be just as bad. It's simply not recognized yet because 90+ percent of Catholics fall into these errors.

George Brenner said...


So John Paul II has been proclaimed a Saint by the Catholic Church. Do we accept on our own authority that a proclaimed Saint by the Catholic Church is a Saint or could not be in Heaven. That hugely attended conference at France contradicted everything we believe to be true about our faith. It was a shameful designation of our beloved Catholic Faith. Is VCII with its loss of vocations and no longer teaching that there is no Salvation outside of the Catholic Church along with the novus ordo Mass the reason that we are in such peril for the last 6o to 70 years ????

George Brenner

In Christ,

George Brenner

Barbara Jensen said...

On some very real level you must know how dastardly what you have printed publicly is or you would address it with me. So much for all your talk about the Church and your harsh criticism of others. You are unable to own your own sin. Shame on you for your degradation of this genuine pope. I will now know not to take all your protestations about authentic worship very seriously, as obviously you consider honoring God with one's lips and voices is more important than truth in one's heart. Shame on you. Shame on you. Your silence to me speaks more loudly than anything you could say.

Anonymous said...

In reference to Saint JPII
(The Diary of St. Faustina, 1732)
“As I was praying for Poland, I heard the words: I bear a special love for Poland, and if she will be obedient to My will, I will exalt her in might and holiness. From her will come forth the spark that will prepare the world for My final coming.”
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Given the length of Papacy Pope JPII reigned for and that he is NOT perfect for only God is, then one must conceded he was a living saint.

Vox Cantoris said...

Barbara, to whom are you referring?

Eirene said...

Vox - I was wondering the same thing? It is really puzzling!

Vox Cantoris said...

Barbara, I sure hope you're not referring to me.

Where did I degrade St. John Paul II? I loved him and this post is not to degrade him but to highlight the prophesy and the likely possibility that is the he whom she saw.

While he may have done a few things that were objectively imprudent, kissing the Koran, Assisi, the persecution of Archbishop Lefebvre, that does not take away the great body of his written work and his earthly torment which may have helped him achieve his salvation.

Please explain your comment on disown it.

Barbara Jensen said...

I wrote you an earlier e-mail, Vox, saying that it disappointed me very much that you would stoop so low as to show such pictures of a beloved and genuine pope in relation to a prophecy about bishops. Evidently you did not get that e-mail. When you did not respond to it, I wrote the one above. No one has appreciated your articles more than I, but this one about Pope John Paul 11 is all wrong and beneath you. JP11 served as pope for 27 years amidst great controversy and criticism. He did not create the errors of Vatican 11 but held the authentic doctrinal line, along with his Prefect of the CDC, for all those years. During most of them he was robust and cognizant of his tremendous responsibility, which he fulfilled so well. To show these photos of him in his later years of sickness and fragility and relate it to the prophecy mentioned is a cheap shot and a mockery of God's true Vicar. I am astounded you would do such a thing. The shoe does not fit JP11 at all regarding the prophecy you quote. No matter what you intended this article is all wrong. It is a cruel and unfair criticism of a courageous and faithful servant of God. You went way too far, Vox, way too far.

Vox Cantoris said...

Barbara,

First, I did not receive your email.

Second. you misunderstand. The pictures of our beloved Saint and Papa Karol J贸zef Wojtyla were not used to mock him, they were used to describe the prophecy, "I also saw the Holy Father - God-fearing and prayerful. Nothing left to be desired in his appearance, but he was weakened by old age and by much suffering. His head was lolling from side to side, and it dropped onto his chest as if he was falling asleep."

You have misunderstood the post. However, I will put those words in red so that it is more clear.

Thanks.

Michael Ortiz said...

Vox,

Thanks for this post. It all is coming together, in God's time. Your remarks on JP II on spot on.

Barbara Jensen said...

I see. I spoke to soon and did not read carefully enough. I am sorry.
Thank you for your clarification. Barbara

OLGS said...

False. The diary consistently speaks of the Divine Mercy devotion and Faustina herself as the catalysts towards this end. If you look in the diary, there are other mentions of preperation for the last days and it explictly refers to the devotion and Faustina herself. It is NOT about John Paul of Unhappy Memory. He was someone who promoted it and paved the way, NOT the primary cause as the diary explictly states.

Peter Lamb said...

Saint" JP certainly did "a few objectively imprudent things" like kissing the koran:

According to the heretical Vatican II ecclesiology, the "Church of Christ" is not the same as the Roman Catholic Church. This entity (Church of Christ) is partially or fully present in a religion according to how many "elements" of the truth each religion has; to have all the elements like the Catholic Church is best, but to have just some elements is great and leads to Heaven.
In Nostra Aetate, we read in paragraph #2: "Thus in Hinduism, men contemplate the divine mystery and express it through an inexhaustible abundance of myths and through searching philosophical inquiry. They seek freedom from the anguish of our human condition either through ascetical practices or profound meditation or a flight to God with love and trust. Again, Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination. Likewise, other religions found everywhere try to counter the restlessness of the human heart, each in its own manner, by proposing "ways," comprising teachings, rules of life, and sacred rites.
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men."

Heresy most foul! Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus Est!

In 1977, about a year before he became “Pope” Wojtyla stated explicitly that the Second Vatican Council’s teaching had changed the very nature of the Church: “The Church ... succeeded, during the second Vatican Council, in re-defining her own nature” (Wojtyla, Sign of Contradiction, p. 17). Think about what Wojtyla is saying here. He says that the council defined a new church into existence, that the church of Vatican II is not the same church as the one prior. That’s what redefining the nature of the church means, for its nature makes a thing what it is.

August 8, 1985: Wotyla actively prayed with African animists. In L'Osservatore Romano, he stated, "The prayer meeting at Lake Togo was particularly striking. There I prayed for the first time with animists."

Peter Lamb said...

February 6, 1986: Chennai, India. Wotyla actively participated in a Zoarastrian ceremony by lighting a candle while wearing a stole with the symbols of the pagan religion. This was the religion of Babylon during Hebrew captivity.

In 1986 and again in 2002, Wotyla invited all the false religions of the world to participate at a gathering in Assisi. Each false religion was invited to pray and make sacrifices. These religions included Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Zoroastrianism, and Voodoo, among others.

Ratzinger celebrated the 20th anniversary of the 1986 "Intereligious Meeting of Prayer for Peace." He held again such abomination on October 27, 2011, the 25th anniversary of the original. A Voodoo witch, Wande Abimbola, sang a hymn to the (demon) goddess Olokun at the Assisi Basilica of Holy Mary of the Angels.

"Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved”.
(Pope Benedict XV, Encyclical Ad Beatissimi, n. 24)

This council] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
(Council of Florence, Decree Cantate Domino; Denz. 714;

"Wherefore, in His divine wisdom, [God] ordained in His Church Unity of Faith; a virtue which is the first of those bonds which unite man to God, and whence we receive the name of the faithful - “one Lord, one faith, one baptism” (Eph. iv., 5). That is, as there is one Lord and one baptism, so should all Christians, without exception, have but one faith.
(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum, n. 6)

"The declared enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics, must be criticized as much as possible, as long as truth is not denied. It is a work of charity to shout: “Here is the wolf!” when it enters the flock or anywhere else."
(St. Francis de Sales, Introduction to the Devout Life, Part III, Chapter 29)

Johnno said...

St. Catherine could be seeing John Paul II.

It should be noted that this prophecy does not absolve him of his faults.

She does not state that he himself is amongst the number who were perfectly sound. She says she "also saw" him and his state preceeding that sentence.

There's no reason to doubt that he was God-fearing and prayerful. But that doesn't mean he was immune from the diabolical disorientation of the Council. She was just stating what she saw. Images occurring in rapid fire through a vision.

Michael Ortiz said...

Peter: imprudent acts are certainly deserving of criticism, however you are overlooking the vast amount of orthodox work these two popes accomplished. An apostate could not have written Veritatis Splendor. Full stop.

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Michael, I think the point is that the Catholic Faith must be accepted in its entirety, or not at all. Public denial of one iota of the Faith, (heresy), severs the heretic from the Mystical Body completely and renders all prior, or future, good works valueless, just as one unrepented mortal sin leads to damnation.
“Heresy consists in a stubborn denial of truths which have been defined and proposed by the Church as divinely revealed doctrines.” (Canon 1324-1325 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law).

Catholics are prohibited from praying with non-Catholics:

"[I]t is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in [the Protestants’ ecumenical] assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise? For here there is question of defending revealed truth." (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, n. 8.)

What does the Church say about pagan "gods"?
In Psalm 96:5, we read: " For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens."
In 1 Corinthians 10:20: "But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils."

According to theologian Prummer, in regard to pagans and heretics, "Active and formal religious co-operation is always forbidden. (Canon 1258, section 1)."

When 25 Jewish priests adored the sun inside the Temple, God considered it an abomination and severely punished the Hebrews for their participation in pagan worship. (See Ez. 8:16).

Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, 29 Jun 1896: “Jesus Christ did not …institute a Church to embrace several communities similar in nature, but in themselves distinct, and lacking those bonds which render the Church unique and indivisible after that manner in which in the symbol of our faith we profess: ‘I believe in one Church.”

Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, 29 Jun 1943: They stray from divine truth “who imagine the Church to be something which can neither be touched nor seen, that it is something merely ‘spiritual,’ as they say, in which many Christian communities, although separated from one another by faith, could be joined by some kind of invisible link.”

Peter Lamb said...

"For in one spirit" says the Apostle, "were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free."[17] As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith.[18] And therefore, if a man refuse to hear the Church, let him be considered - so the Lord commands - as a heathen and a publican." (Pius XII, Mystici Corporis 22.)

Pius IX, Jam Vos Omnes, 13 Sep 1868: “No non-Catholic sect or “all of them together in any way constitute or are that one Catholic Church which Our Lord founded and established and which He willed to create.”

Pius IX, Holy Office Letter, 16 Sep 1864: The novelty of “branch churches” “destroys at one stroke the divine constitution of the Church.”

Leo XIII, Officio Sanctissimo, 22 Dec 1887: He who separates from the Pope “has no further bond with Christ.”

Well, above is the teaching of the Catholic Magisterium and I could give a lot more to the same effect. What does Wotyla say?:

"The elements of this already-given Church exist, found in their fullness in the Catholic Church and, without this fullness, in the other Communities, where certain features of the Christian mystery have at times been more effectively emphasized. Ecumenism is directed precisely to making the partial communion existing between Christians grow towards full communion in truth and charity.(John Paul II, Encyclical Ut Unum Sint, n. 14)
This is blatant heresy!

"Some... hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion."
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium Animos, nn. 1-2)

Peter Lamb said...

Assisi was a great heresy and Wotyla's supreme act of heresy, in my opinion, was placing a budda atop the Tabernacle. Stating that the Church had changed her nature was another heresy - the Catholic Church is Indefectible - dogma.
It is standard practice for modernists to mix truth here with falsehood there:

"This will appear more clearly to anybody who studies the conduct of Modernists, which is in perfect harmony with their teachings. In their writings and addresses they seem not unfrequently to advocate doctrines which are contrary one to the other, so that one would be disposed to regard their attitude as double and doubtful. But this is done deliberately and advisedly, and the reason of it is to be found in their opinion as to the mutual separation of science and faith. Thus in their books one finds some things which might well be approved by a Catholic, but on turning over the page one is confronted by other things which might well have been dictated by a rationalist." (Pope St. Pius X, Encyclical Pascendi, n. 18;

"[This behavior] cannot be excused in the way that one sees it being done, under the erroneous pretext that the seemingly shocking affirmations in one place are further developed along orthodox lines in other places, and even in yet other places corrected; as if allowing for the possibility of either affirming or denying the statement, or of leaving it up to the personal inclinations of the individual – such has always been the fraudulent and daring method used by innovators to establish error. It allows for both the possibility of promoting error and of excusing it.
… [The heretic Nestorius] expressed himself in a plethora of words, mixing true things with others that were obscure; mixing at times one with the other in such a way that he was also able to confess those things which were denied while at the same time possessing a basis for denying those very sentences which he confessed."
(Pope Pius VI, Bull Auctorem Fidei)

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Johnno, Katherine was not approved by the Catholic Church, one of the reasons being that she did not write her story herself, but dictated it to somebody else, thus leaving room for misunderstanding and misquotation. Her's is a private revelation, so one is free to believe her, or reject her, according to one's own inclination.

George Brenner said...

George Brenner said:
One can only wonder why there is such little mention of the first 1950 years
of Catholic identity, teaching and the lives of the saints. How much clearer and more wise was the messaging of Popes and teachers of our Catholic faith. Ever wonder why hardly any mention of the first 1950 years of Catholic teaching go non spoken since VCII ?
Hardly sedevanctism is the way to go for we do have the society of St. Peter and society of Pope Pius X ad MUST fight for what is right and sacred. Also the non Latin and local tongue variety of the Mass is all over the board with some locals/countries trying their best to hang on to the true and best form of doctrine. I suppose that it is just a matter of time before the correction by Jesus himself takes place. This world is going nuts!

Peter Lamb said...

Dear George, There is no mention of the first 1950 years because they convey the history and teaching of the Catholic Church, which the masonic NWO church is trying so desperately to destroy.

Sedevacantism is the only truly Catholic way to go. The FSSP submits to the heretical NWO church. The SSPX recognises the NWO church as being false and non-Catholic and bergoglio as a modernist heretic, yet at the same time, they recognize him as being a true Pope; they pray with him, (see above about praying with heretics); they offer mass to the Father in union with an heretic and they wish to join his false church. Can you see any Catholicism, or logic in that?

Anonymous said...

She was declared "Blessed" by Pope Benedict XVI.

Also, Pope John Paul II (now canonized by Pope Francis) has already gone before the judgement seat of Christ. He is now St. John Paul II unless a future Pope determines otherwise, not you or me.

Margaret

Anonymous said...

Sedevacantism is NOT the way to go. Sedevacantism is fleeing from the foot of the Cross. It tends apart the Mystical Body of Christ because it promotes schism. Schism is the obstinate refusal of subjection to the Successor of St. Peter or those in communion with him.

Subjection does NOT mean servility. The four Cardinals who issued the dubia, Bishop Athanasius Schneider and other prelates who have resisted AL are doing their duty before God for the good of souls. Are they heretics because they pray for Pope Francis at Mass (TL or NO)?

If you prayed for Pope Francis as much as you criticized him, maybe God would give him the graces he needs to be a better pope.

Margaret

Anonymous said...

She was declared "Blessed" by Pope Benedict XVI.

Also, Pope John Paul II (now canonized by Pope Francis) has already gone before the judgement seat of Christ. He is now St. John Paul II unless a future Pope determines otherwise, not you or me.

Margaret

George Brenner said...


Dear Peter,

The Catholic Church knows exactly what is going on. From the Pope on down. Recently Pope Benedict had the following to say:
" Pope Emeritus Benedict breaks silence: speaks of ‘deep crisis’ facing Church post-Vatican II

Catholic , Pope Benedict Xvi

March 16, 2016 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- On March 16, speaking publicly on a rare occasion, Pope Benedict XVI gave an interview (English translation) to Avvenire, the daily newspaper of the Italian Bishops' Conference, in which he spoke of a “two-sided deep crisis” the Church is facing in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. The report has already hit Germany courtesy of Vaticanist Guiseppe Nardi, of the German Catholic news website Katholisches.info.

Pope Benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation, or that people go to hell:

The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation.
He also speaks of a “profound evolution of Dogma” with respect to the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. This purported change of dogma has led, in the pope's eyes, to a loss of the missionary zeal in the Church – “any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed.”

Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable change of attitude of the Church: “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?”

As to the other consequences of this new attitude in the Church, Catholics themselves, in Benedict's eyes, are less attached to their Faith: If there are those who can save their souls with other means, “why should the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?” asked the pope. And he concludes: “But if Faith and Salvation are not any more interdependent, even Faith becomes less motivating.”

Pope Benedict also refutes both the idea of the “anonymous Christian” as developed by Karl Rahner, as well as the indifferentist idea that all religions are equally valuable and helpful to attain eternal life. etc etc.

WOW !!!!!!!

Thank you,

George

Peter Lamb said...

Dear George, Thanks for your reply. We will not be able to agree,because our basic premises are diametrically opposed. You consider the conciliar popes to be valid true Popes; I see them as excommunicated heretics. You see Vatican II as a legitimate Council of our Church; I see it as invalid and promulgated by one without authority to do so.

What we would have to settle first:
1. Is a public heretic excommunicated from the Church?
2. Does loss of office automatically follow upon public heresy?
3. Were Roncalli and Montini public heretics? etc., etc. If we could agree on these points, then everything else would follow.

Just a few points from your reply:
1. Many subjects (Beatific Vision; Fate of unbaptised etc.), are open to round debate by theologians, until they are eventually settled by the Pope. There is no further debate after that. Such debates are common in the history of the Church.
2. Dogma can never evolve. Dogma is fixed for all time; it is infallible and immutable.
3. Missionary zeal has thrived throughout the history of the Church and was the response to a direct command from Our Lord Himself:" Go ye and teach all nations!" I'm sure it has flagged since bergoglio countermanded Our Lord and informed all that proslytism is nonsense.
4. The Catholic Church never re-invents itself, or develops new attitudes - it is indefectible.
5. Popes have warned about modernist double speak. If benedict is so against indifferentism, why did he celebrate Assisi twice? Why did he directly disobey Catholic doctrine and pray with heretics?

George, you still hav'nt answered my original question. Abp. Lefebvre repeatedly stated that the conciliar church is not the Catholic Church. Bp. Fellay categorically stated that bergoglio is a modernist (= heretic.) Those two men are the highest authorities in the SSPX. Holy Scripture admonishes us to let heretics be anathema. So please George show me the logic and Catholic citations justifying their recognition of a heretic as true Pope; their offering of the Blessed Eucharist in union with said heretic and why they should strive to join a non-Catholic church. I'm serious George, please explain to me, in terms of Catholic doctrine, because I just don't get it.

The original perpetrators of the NWO church were Roncalli and montini. Please consider reading "Paul VI Beatified?" by Father Luigi Villa, who was commissioned by Pope Pius XII to investigate the masonic invasion of the Church. It will shock you.

http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Chiesa_viva_441_S_en_New_Corrected.pdf

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Margaret, Question is was benedict a true Pope? :)
Canonisations are infallible. They tell us that the Servant of God is certainly in Heaven and he is held up for us to venerate and imitate in his heroic virtue. In that case I reckon I should start kissing the koran, getting voodoo blessings etc., if I want to get to Heaven?

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Margaret,
"Schism is the obstinate refusal of subjection to the Successor of St. Peter"
You are correct. Is bergoglio a formal successor of St. Peter?

OR:
1. Is bergoglio a public heretic? Has he never uttered a single public heresy? Does he deny eternal punishment in hell for unrepentant sinners?
2. If so, is he not excommunicated?
3. Schism is only possible from a true Pope.

Subjection means obedience. Are you obedient to Pope Francis in all he teaches as visible Head of your Church? Do you obediently deny the existence of a Catholic God?
Do you agree that proslytism is nonsense? Do you agree that adulterers/fornicators may receive the Eucharist? Do his teachings conform to the Magisteriums of the ages? Does he shun novelty? Is the Catholic Church indefectible and the Faith immutable?

Catholics are instructed to pray for their enemies and for the conversion of heretics. This I do daily in consecrating myself to the Sacred Heart:
"Be Thou King, O Lord, not only of the faithful who have never forsaken Thee, but also of the prodigal children who have abandoned Thee; grant that they may quickly return to their Father's house lest they die of wretchedness and hunger."

George Brenner said...


Sedevacantism is not approved by the Roman Catholic Church as a means of Salvation AT THIS TIME! We must suffer together within the boundaries of our Roman Catholic Church...with Jesus Christ. No contradictions though of what the true faith holds as true. And that is the hard parts especially the last 60 years or so.


In Christ,

George Brenner

George Brenner said...



Peter, allow me to comment on your most recent comments. You are basically correct in your citing of Church doctrine for over 1950 years EXCEPT for the comments about live active Popes of the Catholic Church. It is up to the Cardinals to enter into a submissive structure for the departure of an active Pope, not us. Such is the case today for Cardinal Raymond Burke and other Cardinals. Hopefully this rendering will happen very soon against our current Pope.

As far as your position on the the valid subjects and their understanding for the for first 1950 years of our Church you are basically correct. How could you possibly be wrong. Where you are wrong is on your personal dismissal of a Pope and your views on sedevanctism. How can you leave the Church on your own authority? It is true that every Pope except our current one spoke up on the authority of replacing the Latin Mass with the ones in the common vernacular. This was a TERRIBLE mistake and violated centuries of latin. This was wrong and it remains no mere coincidence that vocations to the priesthood and sister hood basically all but stopped after the introduction of the Novus Ordo. This WAS no coinicidence and basically every Pope spoke out about this but DID NOT do anything to fix it. And so we All suffer!
Father Feeney whom I met along with my wife in 1971 for over 2 days was incorrect about Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance but it was due to this misunderstanding Father Feeney in the letter of the Holy Office of 1949 that opened the gates of hell. This is a VERY difficult situation to understand. I would encourage you to watch as much as you can in reference to Father Michael Rodriquez an excellent and strong priest on true Church doctrine. Why Pope John Paul II could do such terrible affronts against our Catholic Faith is beyond reason is beyond explanation or worthy of the position of Pope.( in France ) let alone anyone to do such a terrible act against our Catholic Faith.

In Christ,

George

George Brenner said...


Peter,

Did not ST. Peter , our first Pope deny Jesus three times?? Did not Thomas an apostle say show me personally your wounds after you arise from the dead? etc.etc. They lived with Jesus the son of God? Where do yo go Peter, to have your sins forgiven? So you are saying that we have not had a valid Pope for last 60 years or so??? Has Christ left his church? We are in deep trouble but we have the church that we deserve. It is not the first time that this has happened in 2000 years but it is the worst of times.

Peter Lamb said...

Dear George, Thanks again for responding. The Church teaches that there has never been an heretical Pope in the history of the Church before 1958. Saint Robert Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, thinks this to be a sign from Heaven that there never will be an heretical true Pope. One can surmise that the fact that the conciliar popes are all heretics is a further indication/sign of their not being true Popes.

The Church teaches that IF, IF, IF, a true Pope were to become an heretic he would automatically loose office and be severed from the Church. He would no longer be Pope, or even a Catholic.

A true Pope cannot be judged by any Man - not even the Cardinals.
If he becomes an heretic, he is judged and deposed by GOD, Himself. THEN he is just an ordinary man and THEN can be deposed by the Cardinals for the canonical crime of heresy.

George, we are taught the Faith so that we can know the Faith. If we know our Faith then we can know when somebody contradicts our Faith; So that when we hear heresy we can recognize it as heresy. If we hear heresy the Church tells us how we must react - let them be anathema. The conciliar popes are heretics, therefore they cannot be true, formal Popes. My comments are not about "live, active Popes of the Catholic Church" - they are about masonic heretics, posing as "popes" who have created a false church in the buildings of the Catholic Church and are trying to fool people into believing that they are the Catholic Church. I have left falsehood; I have left the ape of the Catholic Church and I am still in the Catholic Church.

It is all about doctrine. Our Lord came to teach us His doctrine. Catholic Doctrine never changes. If our great grandfathers were right, I am right; if I am wrong, they were wrong, because I believe and practice the Catholic Faith exactly as they did.

I don't dismiss an heretical pope - God does and because I have been taught the Faith, I can recognise the impostor as a heretic and reject him. I reject him on the authority of the Faith - not my own.
I know about Fr. Rodriquez. He is a recognise, but resister.
In Christ,
Peter.

Peter Lamb said...

Hi George, A Catholic Priest visits me once a year and I go to Confession. In between times I try not to sin. :)
Yip, I'm saying we have not had a valid Pope since 1958.
No, Christ is with His Church as always, but the NWO church has left Christ.
What is going on now is indeed unique in the history of the Church. Nothing like it has ever happened before.
In Christ,
Peter.

George Brenner said...

Peter,

I have quickly read through the entire article that you sent me on Pope Paul VI; very interesting. I will pray and think on all that you have sent me. It is all very interesting to say the least. I am quite sure that the Mass does me an excellent good, beyond words.

In Christ,

George

Peter Lamb said...

God bless you George.

In Christ,
Peter.

George Brenner said...


God Bless you, Peter


In Christ,

George

Anonymous said...

Dear George,

Thank you for your encouraging posts. May your holy namesake guide your pen to slay the dragon of sedevacantism.

In Christ the King,

Margaret

Anonymous said...

Peter,

Then how do you explain the case of Pope Honorius who was condemned by an infallible ecumenical council for not opposing the monotheletite heresy?

Margaret

Anonymous said...

Dear George,

I beg you in the name of Our Lady of Sorrows NOT to give in to sedevacantism.

Please get True or False Pope? A Refutation of Sedevacantism and Other Errors by John Salza and Robert Siscoe. This book has helped me immensely and I hope it will do the same for you too.

In Christ the King,

Margaret



Anonymous said...

Peter,

I'm shocked. You go to Confession once a year? What if you were on the verge of death before the next time you went to confession? Would you ask a Catholic priest who mentions Pope Francis in the Mass to hear your confession before you died?

Also, does that priest pray for Pope Francis in the Mass?

Margaret

George Brenner said...

Margaret,


Thank you very much for your kind words, Margaret. I could not accept sedevanctism but will resist all that is spoken in the name of God which is untrue. It remains the works of VCII that has put our Church in its spiraling danger. I see this ever week when I visit those in the hospital who have become unsettled in our one true faith as an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion.

In Christ,


George Brenner

Peter Lamb said...

Dear Margaret, If there is no Priest available, then there is no Priest available.
In dire emergency, I would call a SSPX priest. Their sacraments are valid. There are none of them around here either. :)
Yes, SSPX offer Our Lord "una cum" ( in union with) bergoglio. They offer Our Lord to God The Father in union, (as one with/ together with) bergoglio. That logically means that they are in union with bergoglio and everything he stands for.
It seems you give no credence to any of the Church teaching, which I have quoted extensively, about Catholics praying with heretics? You just ignore it?

Pope Honorius: Margaret do you reject the teaching of St. Bellarmine and Vatican I, who both studied the matter of heretical Popes in history in detail and who both declared categorically, that there had never been a single heretical Pope in the history of the Church, up to their own time? You would rather spread Salza's discredited opinions than accept the teaching of an infallible Church Council?

Margaret be very careful of leading yourself and others astray from an emotional, almost cult like, personal loyalty to individuals and their refuted opinions. Rather stick to infallible magisterial doctrine. Don't refute me by sweeping, unsubstantiated statements of your opinion, devoid of doctrinal citations. If you wish to refute me, do so from Catholic doctrine with sources please. See if you can find one statement I have made, without doctrinal backing?

Salza, onetime 32nd degree mason, left the brotherhood unscathed? Not impossible, but WOW! Salza and Siscoe are, in my opinion, controlled opposition, keeping those like yourself just where you are. If you have read the 700 pages of their book why do not refute me from it?
Why don't you quote from it, so we can have meaningful discussion?

George Brenner said...

I have seen many glaring misrepresentations of the true Catholic Faith the last 60 years aproximately. The real truth does lie in the defeated glaring eyes and mixed true words of Jesus the last 60 years. The works of the last 60 years have been all over the board and some are good but some are very devious to our true Catholic faith. We need someone like Vox who will openly fight for us all. The mixed words, the incorrect and false and openly wrong representations like in France and the continual loss of our faith remains strong and is a dismal reduction in our faith, which we all deserve today. We must fight for our true Catholic faith. It is our duty and responsibility before almighty God.

The truth lies in between those who are strong in their faith but have turned their back on leaving the Church and the need for confession and communion. That by itself defeats the idea of sedevacantism. The other side is those that openly conform to EVEN ALL of what professed Saints have done. This remains a terrible wrong just as ST. Peter was wrong when he opened his mouth and denied Jesus three times. He lived the rest of his life with trench marks pf tears down his face for doing such an action against the son of God, our lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Those in know truly understand why and how are vocations and wide spread vocations went into a severe downward spiral after VCII. If only they and us would have met this great tragedy in our faith it could have been undone.
We must all fight for our Catholic faith, outside which there is no salvation.

In the Most Holy Trinity,

George Brenner