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Tuesday, 29 November 2016

Bergoglian Pinto: "The four cardinals who have written to Pope could lose their cardinalate"

In the world of politics, this is not an uncommon thing, -- make a statement about something that is being considered in order to test the waters. Consider for example the kerfuffle over the potential of Donald J. Trump's appointment of Mitt Romney as American Secretary of State. I don't believe for one moment that he will do it, but he is sending out a message to test the reaction. Aside from what I really think is Trump's public eviscerating of Romney, as a vanquishment of the man who so attacked him without justification. The people have spoken and won't tolerate it.

Sadly the Vatican practices the same politics. The centre of the Church of Christ on Earth engages  such sleazy and vulgar practices. Nobody should be surprised that this "trial balloon" is being floated. I've expected it, in fact, I expect it to happen.



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If Bergoglio dares to strip the four Cardinals of their red hats, then he will prove himself to be a vindictive and corrupt man, a narcissist and Peronist. A man who is driven by his own ambition and ego, thinking that every action taken by him and every thought that enters into his mind is divine inspiration. He will, if he does this, enshrine heresy. He will have proclaimed heresy because he will have silenced, or at least removed, all authorised opposition.

And a heretic cannot be Pope!

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Vito Pinto Mons. "The four cardinals who have written to Pope could lose their cardinalate"
Mons. Pío Vito Pinto, Dean of the highest authority of the Catholic Church in the process of nullity, delivered a lecture at the University Ecclesiastical San Damaso de Madrid. Vigorously, he has said that the four cardinals who have asked the Pope Francisco to clarify some doubts about his apostolic exhortation Laetitia Amoris have committed a grave scandal by publishing this letter in the media.

The Cardinals have created a scandal? Not the Pope himself who has affirmed that those living in adultery can be openly admitted to Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin? Not the Bishops of Buenos Aires, or the Vicar of Rome? 

The Cardinals have every moral and legal right to ask the question and expect an answer. in fact, they have a duty before Christ. Their loyalty, your loyalty and mine is with Christ, not the Pope insofar as he separates himself from Christ's truth. The Pope is not a god. Papolatry is a sin and a scandal and Dean Pinto has committed it. He has committed a scandal by being the mouthpiece of Bergoglio and issuing threats to these four Cardinals, and any others who stand up for the truth of Catholic doctrine and faith.

In statements to Religion Confidential, Pio Vito has shown that these four cardinals, like some others in the Church who doubt the reform of Pope Francis and his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, are questioning " two synods of bishops on marriage and family do not a synod but two! An ordinary and another extraordinary. You cannot doubt the action of the Holy Spirit."

This man is deluded. The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Most Holy Trinity cannot lie, he cannot change. To suggest that God the Holy Spirit is directing Bergoglio and his minions to destroy Catholic doctrine, sanction mortal sin and permit sacrilege is blasphemy.

The two Synods did not vote to allow Holy Communion for those in adultery. This is a lie. To do that, a Synod would require a two-thirds vote, this did not happen. Nor could it happen. A Synod cannot overturn doctrine. The Pope can ignore a Synod's advice. In this case, he did. He acted in spite of it. The Synod was manipulated, the evidence was there, out in the open attested to be no less than Cardinal Pell. The Pope has no authority to change doctrine, he has no authority to authorise that two-thousand years of Catholic practice can be overturned by one man.

Cardinals Walter Brandmüller, Raymond Burke, Carlo Caffarra and Joachim Meisner asked the Holy Father some doubts about the Amoris Laetitia.  Pope  Francis did not answer and prelates made the letter public through the media. "What Church defends these cardinals? The Pope is faithful to the doctrine of Christ. What they have done is a very serious scandal that could even lead to the Holy Father to withdraw the cardinal's hat as has happened at some other time of the Church," said Pio Vito to this Confidential. The dean of the Roman Rota clarifies: "Which is not to say that the Pope withdraw their status as cardinals, but could do."

Roberto de Mattei on Rorate Caeli blog wrote on the matter of the removal of Cardinals back in 2014, it was after Cardinal Burke was removed from the Apostolic Signatura.

The Pope inasmuch as he is supreme pastor of the universal Church, has full right to remove a bishop or cardinal from his office, even a distinguished one. A well-known case was the one of Cardinal Louis Billot (1846-1931). He was one of the greatest theologians of the 20th Century, who replaced his cardinal’s hat into the hands of Pius XI, with whom he had had differences regarding Action Francaise, and ended his days, as a simple Jesuit, at the house of his order in Galloro. Another striking case is Cardinal Josef Mindszenty, who was removed by Paul VI from his office as Archbishop of Esztergom and Primate of Hungary, as a result of his opposition to the Vatican ostpolitik.

The case of Cardinal Mindszenty was particularly egregious and a disgrace of Paul VI's papacy. Mindszenty was persecuted by the communists. The Vatican's policy of ostpolitik
was a scandal and a betrayal of Catholics now being waged again in China against the underground, faithful Church.   

This is also a warning to any other Cardinals and Bishops, particularly those in dioceses, to stand down and keep their mouths shut. As we look around we will see silence from them, until such time perhaps as enough of a force mounts against this error. The reality is in many dioceses, the Ordinary is well aware that this Pope is a vindictive man and will remove them leaving their flock to be devoured by someone of Bergoglio's own choosing. Think Chicago here. I fully expect that the next Cardinal on his way out is Marc Ouellet.

During the conference, Pius Vito made it clear to the audience that the Pope has not responded directly to them four cardinals, 'but has indirectly told that they see only white or black , when in the Church there are shades of colors." Few Catholics calling for the annulment Confidential religion also asked Mons. Pius Vito if not better open hand to divorced and remarried and grant marriage annulment, before a civil marriage so they can marry in the Church and receive the Eucharist. "The reform of the marriage process of Pope Francis wants to reach more people. The percentage of people seeking marriage annulment is very small. The Pope said that communion is not only good Catholics. Francisco says: how to reach the most excluded people? Many people, with the reform of Pope may request the annulment, but not others, "said the Dean of the Roman Rota.

The Cardinal is correct, the actual number of Catholics seeking a Decree of Nullity is very small relative to the number who simply divorce and remarry, civilly. Pope Bergoglio has made the outrageous statement that most Catholic marriages are invalid. If that is the case, then what does it matter, he is right, the presumption that the Sacramental Theology that the Sacraments, including Matrimony, are always valid unless proven otherwise be damned. The Pope had no business making this statement, but the very fact that he did and believes it, leads one to understand his motivation. The reality is that the very few Catholics who divorce and remarry civilly and want to come back to the Sacraments with a true heart and contrition, do; through the usual way - if not possible to return to the real spouse, then repentance, and living a life of continence. I know people who have done this. The actual number of those who wish to return without the normative way is even smaller than those who decide not to seek decrees of nullity in the first place.

In this matter, Pinto is deluded or intentionally misleading. Therefore, there must be another reason why Bergoglio and his minions have gone down this road. More than once in the last few weeks, Bergoglio has used the phrase, "motus in fine velocior," - the movement at the end goes faster. We know that the Bergoglio confidant and ghostwriter, Victor Emmanuel Fernadez has said about him:

"The pope must have his reasons, because he knows very well what he’s doing. He must have an objective that we don’t understand yet. You have to realize that he is aiming at a reform that is irreversible. If one day he should intuit that he’s running out of time and he doesn’t have enough time to do what the Spirit is asking him, you can be sure he will speed up."

What are we to conclude from this "speeding up?"
  • Bergoglio knows his time is short due to health and will die soon.
  • Bergoglio and his minions know that they must ram this heresy and sacrilege through before enough Catholics wake up and rise up against them.
  • Bergoglio and his minions know that their generation is quickly dying and that those coming up in the next generation as priests will be formed by Summorum Pontificum and become valiant soldiers of Christ. This is why he is attacking "rigid" seminarians and will soon take moves against orthodox seminaries as he has done to prevent Ordinaries from establishing new Orders without his approval.
It really doesn't matter. The fact is, by their actions, these men, including the Bishop of Rome, have revealed to the faithful that they have no faith. They hate the faith, they hate the Catholic Church. They may not know it, but that is what is revealed by their actions. At best, they have drunk from the whore known as Modernism, "the synthesis of all heresies."

When we hear a Pope speak such words as motus in fine velocior, remember who else is angry because "his time is short."

Further reading on these matter can be found at:



The article concludes:

In this regard, he stressed the key pontificate Francisco, set out in paragraph 4 of Bula who wrote the Jubilee of Mercy "come to mind the words laden with meaning that John XXIII spoke at the opening of Council to indicate the way forward: ` in our time, the spouse of Christ prefers to use the medicine of mercy rather than take up arms severity . The Catholic Church, by raising through this Ecumenical Council torch of Catholic truth, wants to be friendly mother of all benign, patient, full of mercy and kindness to separated children." Unlike with Protestants Some voices say that the Church might be embracing the Protestant Reformation, the Dean of the Rota explains that "Luther destroyed the Catholic faith of the apostles. The Catholic Church believes that in the Eucharist Jesus Christ is present, and Protestantism does not believe in the real presence of Christ in communion. This is the big difference."
In this respect and during the conference, he recalled that during the synod of bishops, some Synod fathers asked the Pope for a new theological treatise on marriage and Francisco ruled it since said that other parents had already made it clear theology of marriage. (translation confusion)
He recalled that the Pope's message center Francisco is to all those who have felt, or feel, discarded or injured by the Church. He also noted that currently, many people communicant indiscriminately." A nun told me there divorced or living together who are communing. And what must the Church say, yes or no? Pope Francis wants a church close to town."


How wonderful to know that the Church is now governed by those who take the word of some nun, probably in a pant-suit.



24 comments:

TheGoat said...

How hard would it be to get the entire Polish bishops conference to sign on to these dubia?

Would "Pope" Francis fire the entire episcopacy of Poland?

Anil Wang said...

TheGoat said... "Would "Pope" Francis fire the entire episcopacy of Poland? "

He wouldn't need to. Kasperians like Pope Francis are far too slippery. If "worse came to worse", he'd simply relativize it and say each country can handle AM "pastorally" however it sees fit, so the Poles can take an "unmerciful prideful stance" until they "become less rigid and closed to the promptings of The Spirit" and the Germans can take a "merciful stance" that is more "open to The Spirit" and all is well. In the mean time, only liberal bishops will be selected or made cardinal and every bit of Saint Pope John Paul II's legacy will be "reinterpreted" so that it is very pro-Pope Francis so anyone who disagrees will be shunned as being against two Popes.

Short of a widespread revolt in all conferences, I don't see this being resolved before the next conclave.

Michael said...

Yes, they could lose their cardinalate, but better they lose that than their souls.

Anil Wang said...

Actually, there is some way to force the Pope's hand. All the 4 cardinals would need to do is to organize the other cardinals/bishops.

Step (1) would be to conduct a secret ballot (so cardinals/bishops will have no fear of the consequences) and ask if they support getting answers to the 5 dubia. If the results are high enough, step (2) could be initiated, namely getting cardinals/bishops to go public. IMO, the best way to get this done is to have a conditional secret ballot. While it's true, most cardinals and bishops are scared to speak up, they would "if there were enough cardinals/bishops to back them up". The issue is, different cardinals/bishops have different threshholds. One cardinal/bishop might speak up if he knows that 20 other cardinals/bishops back him up, while others might need a threshold of 150 cardinals/bishops.

So all someone needs to do is to query all the cardinals/bishops and ask if they support getting answers to the 5 dubia and what their threshold would be for making their support public. If they require cardinals/bishops for their support to be made public and only 149 cardinals/bishops sign on, their names will never be published. If 151 are found, their names are published.

Wolverine said...

Oh Lord....please, please let Francis show everyone, who is not completely asleep, his true colors by withdrawing the cardinalates of these four faithful men!

Anonymous said...

All I have to say is: 'go ahead, make my day...'. (complete with the squint)

Anonymous said...

Come on, faithful bishops. Step up to the plate, add your names to the Dubia and make this toady Pinto go back into his hole.

Anonymous said...

O David.

You would make a very good leader.

Thoughtful. Kind. Patient.

The Canonist

Vox Cantoris said...

Really Father Canonist, do you ever actually address anything with an argument or did they not teach you how to debate in seminary? Who the heck deemed you fit for ordination in the first place.

You come on here and mock another priest demanding that I report on a private matter. You are a detracting and pathetica example of a priest of Christ.

Go to Confession!

Kathleen1031 said...

Yah...what Vox said! (actually I have no idea, but I'm with Vox regardless)

GMUA said...

LOL. Enshrined heresy? But not until he removed the red hats.
This is rich.

Anonymous said...

I am not entirely sure, but I think that I would not mind at all being demoted by Jorge Bergoglio.

If someone like Bergoglio approved of me, I would know something was very wrong - too many grey areas in my life, unrepeated sin paraded proudly, a wide gap between my professed values and faith and my actual choices.


Good for the Cardinals.

Anonymous said...

Brazilian Sociologist Praises Francis for His "New Brand of Catholicism"? http://tradcatknight.blogspot.ie/2016/11/novus-ordo-brazilian-sociologist.html

Eirene said...

I hope fervently that the Bishop of Rome's time IS short!
As for that slimy Canonist . . . yuk and ugh! Even those few words sound like the slithering and hissing of a snake!

Anonymous said...

Yes, Canonist, Vox would make a great leader.

Faithful, brave, honest, trustworthy, and strong.

God bless Vox and his work.

Barbara Jensen said...

The threat of 'losing their red hats' should not make any difference to cardinals who --in Truth-- belong to Jesus Christ. Our--and their-- obedience to the Truth of Who Jesus is means holding to the fullness of our precious Faith. In the present circumstances in the Church this will mean martyrdom in one way or another. Cardinals and Bishops, most of all, should be committed to the full fidelity to God and His Church. The mistake will be to remain silent and let all the other cardinals and bishops know that it is best to remain silent in the face of the fullness of the Faith being ripped apart and trashed. Realizing this truth is going to mean blood--either white or red martyrdom--to pass the authenticity test for Christ. We will see now who really belongs to Christ or who is a careerist in the institutional Church. Pray for all Cardinals, Bishops, and priests. May God help each of them to remain loyal to their God and His Bride, Mother Church. The salvation of their souls depends on it.

Karl Rahner Jr. said...

How convenient! They always blame the "Holy Spirit" for their heresies and innovations. We need to be taught about the real Holy Spirit rather than the ideological nonsense of these men.

Eirene said...

By the way - that pic. of Pinto is absolutely horrifying!
Reminds me of a Rosica pic you had ages ago! I couldn't bear to look at it and this one gives me the creeps too!
What did he DO to get a face like that?!

CJ said...

From the Douay Rheims...

"Have I not hated them, O Lord, that hated thee: and pine away because of thy enemies? I have hated them with a perfect hatred: and they are become enemies to me." Psalm 138:22

Vox does well. His is a perfect zeal for the observance of God's commandments which he sees despised by the wicked. These wicked "are to be considered enemies to God" according to the explanation after the verse.

To further prove this I will post from the Haydock Commentary on the same Psalm Ver. 22.

Christ commands, "Love your enemies;" not those who hate God. (St. Augustine)
We must love in them what God loves, and detest what He condemns. (Theodoret)
--- Fervent zeal against God's enemies is commendable.

You do well, Vox according to the saints. Let your enemies ask themselves why they oppose God.

Michael Dowd said...

Is the "scandal" of the four Cardinals being significantly discussed in Mainstream Catholic Media? Perhaps the four Cardinals could hold press conferences to everyone up to date on progress or lack of it.

susan said...

The stalinist purges are in full swing. This 'man' drips with the slime of hell; and he knows it; and he revels in it. He has his reward. Soon he will have Justice....for eternity

May God bless, protect, guide, and console the 4 good cardinals (why is that number not high double-digit???). May they move quickly now, as the flock drowns more and more in modernism each passing day of this blasted, infernal, pseudo-papacy....there is NOTHING of Peter's charism or of the Holy Spirit in the squatter on the throne. He is a wrecking ball and his minions are hell-fire.

We have been in increasing practical schism for 50 years; make it formal, and let each chose whom he will serve...expose the nu-church in clear terms as the satanic 'ism' it is; proclaim Christ's social Kingship once again; EVANGELIZE all peoples, nations, and races as the primary 'outreach'. The cardinals with the guts to remain in Christ's Church will comprise the college, and would be duty bound to elect a pope immediately following Benedict's death. We would be a remnant; a poor, threadbare remnant, but the true line, and beautiful before the Lord. And He would surely bless His vineyard. No doubt the SSPX would play a big role in this plan...God has protected and flourished that beautiful, faithful seed for a particular mission...has that time come?

Let jorge pretend all he wants in his white polyester. He and his depraved, perverted, corrupt lot will face the justice of God...sooner or later, they will be called to account for their perfidy and betrayal of Truth itself.

God have mercy on your poor beaten flock.

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or does Pinto look like Sam the Eagle? http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Sam_the_Eagle?file=SamEagle.jpg

Kathleen1031 said...

Well put Susan. Amen to that.

Anonymous said...

The Africans will sign on then the Polish. Then what does the College of Cardinals call another Conclave if the Pope Francis is found to be in error, it would declare Pope Francis as a Heretic.