Saturday, 23 April 2016

Some further thoughts on Michael Voris

Without any doubt, the last 48 hours must have been the most amongst the most difficult in the life, of Michael Voris. His public disclosure of his past was made necessary due to credible information which he had that some within the Archdiocese of New York were going to leak information about his past that would discredit him and destroy Church Militant and its work. He has cut them off at the knees.

I first met Michael about five years ago. I consider him a brother. Michael Voris came to our aid in a way that I can never repay. Michael's work to publicise the vexatious and frivolous attempt by Tom Rosica to sue me was critical; without him and Church Militant, I would not have met the thousands of people and bloggers who put pressure on the situation so much so that Rosica had no choice but to back down. I've committed some pretty grievous sins in my life, I went years without practicing my faith, coming back to practice it at the cafeteria line and living a lie. It is only by the prayers of my also late mother, that I was finally able to break free from my own darkness and commit myself fully to the mercy and grace of Our Lord. I would not want to do here what Michael felt the need to do.

Some will say, "he should have disclosed it earlier." Why? Would you disclose your past sins publicly to the world when the Lord has already forgotten them? 

The New York Archdiocese is denying that they have or intend to leak any information. Really? I don't believe them. Oh, sure; Cardinal Dolan won't hold a presser, the Director of Communications wont' issue a Release, but that's not how this works and they know it. I don't believe them. The homosexual mafia that Voris was exposing was fighting back. No doubt, someone saw what was happening, someone from Michael's past and came forward. Perhaps they had dates and places and names and people started connecting the dots.That is how this happens. Perhaps some of those same people that helped Michael "out" the crisis in New York knew this and were able to warn Michael.

I've watched a few tweets from those trying to make mockery of Michael, Our old mutual friend and colleague in the fight before his apostasy, Michael Coren is one. Sad for him. There are others.

What, however, is most edifying and in fact, joyous, is to read the comments on the Michael Voris' post at Church Militant currently nearly 1400. On my post below there is nothing but prayers and good wishes for Michael. On Louie Verrecchio's blog, and Steve Skojec's it is the same. From the two of them, comes compassion and love for their Christian brother even though they don't always agree. 

Yes, Michael is our brother and we stand with him.

Michael, as you close every Vortex:

God love you!

21 comments:

Amateur Brain Surgeon said...

Some will say, "he should have disclosed it earlier." Why? Would you disclose your past sins publicly to the world when the Lord has already forgotten them?



AMEN!!!!

Anonymous said...

Do not throw your lot in with a homosexual. These people learn deceit at a young age and are experts at it. People climbing on this bandwagon are not exercising prudence.

Vox Cantoris said...

Anon. Would you say the same of St. Augustine, St. Dismas or St. Mary Magdalene?

Is there no redemption?

You put limits on Christ.

Bless Me Father said...

Please pass on our loving support for him and his mission in a more personal way than is possible via the public web world. I have been encouraging people I know, who are put off by his occasionally abrasive style, to think again and subscribe to his work. Fulton John Sheen had his run ins with the gloves-off New York chancellery .. and, sadly, still has; I am sure he and his colleagues know sometimes one has to take the knocks and the jeers from unsympathetic (or malicious) onlookers, and yet be ready to slog on - undaunted. God bless him and all at St Michael Media, many graces may yet abound from this political-style hit 'n' run.

TLM said...

AMEN VOX!!! RE: 'You put limits on Christ'. AMEN TO THAT!! "learn deceit at a young age and are experts at it"? What Anonymous is saying here, is that you cannot trust a man that has bared his past horrendous mortal sins to the world, in order to (for whatever illogical reason) avenge the Archdiocese of New York? A man that has humiliated himself in producing a Vortex episode that took an UNBELIEVABLE amount of courage, only to implicate the AD of NY, when in reality it was someone else? Or maybe no one? What thread of LOGIC does that follow pray tell?? That Michael Voris is lying in THIS MANNER for what?? He is not only is risking his own Ministry, but he is risking the livelihoods of the rest of his staff at CM for personal petty reasons???? I would suggest to Anonymous to (put charitably) think about this LOGICALLY.

P.S. What may have happened is that Michael was 'set up' by the AD of NY, in some way because he was getting too close and exposing too much truth as to the filth they were involved with. He may have been fed lies, (along with the truth that he already had) in order to smear him, take him to court, bankrupt and RUIN him. Now that just MAY BE feasible. But, being the professional top rated investigative reporter that he is......he indeed, beat them at their own game. If they try to smear him now, they are the ones who will suffer for it. He 'got out in front of the story' like all good investigative reporters will do.

I don't agree with Michael in regard to his views about the SSPX, nor about his views of 'never questioning the percieved errors of a sitting Pope', and in fact have been banned from his site because of charitable questioning, but that doesn't mean he is not a loved brother in Christ. He IS a brother in Christ and needs our prayers in this epic demonic battle he is in. (as we all are in)

Mark Thomas said...

Vox said..."Some will say, "he should have disclosed it earlier." Why?"

Vox, Michael Voris said that he should have disclosed his former homosexual lifestyle. He said that he made a mistake in that regard. He made a major mistake.

Here are Michael Voris' words: "I did not reveal the specific nature or details of the sins...Perhaps along these years I should have been revealing of greater detail. That, I now think so, but more on that in a moment. I have made many mistakes and missteps as the leader here, but in regard to this specific point, it was a mistake to not bring this forth earlier."

From the journalistic point of view, his mistake was major in that he had hidden what in principle was a conflict of interest. When a journalist harbors a conflict of interest, he destroys his credibility.

For example, Michael Voris has generated numerous vicious and untruthful attacks against the SSPX. Suppose we learned that Michael Voris years ago had worked for the Southern Poverty Law Center, a group who despises the SSPX and Traditional Catholics. Suppose we learned that when he was with the SPLC, he helped to generate their SSPX-related articles.

Once that information surfaced, people would question rationally Michael Voris' witch-hunt against the SSPX. People would respond with..."Now, we know why he attacked the SSPX repeatedly. He an axe to grind against the SSPX. He was involved with anti-SSPX elements."

Now, the following is not hypothetical. Michael Voris has declared that during the majority of his years in his thirties, he had "a life of live-in relationships with homosexual men." He said that he lost his masculinity. He suffered monumental emotional pain. His former lifestyle shattered him spirituality and emotionally.

For that, I have great sympathy for Michael Voris. He is my brother in Jesus Christ. I am a sinner who neither desires not would even consider casting the first stone at my brother Michael Voris.

Michael Voris the journalist. however, damaged his credibility when, as he acknowledged, that he had hidden from public his homosexual past. Now, the rational question to ask is whether his homosexual past, his tormented feelings and disgust at having been a homosexual, fueled his attacks against homosexuals or Churchmen he attempted to link to homosexuality.

The principle of "conflict of interest" has entered the picture. Did Michael Voris have an axe to grind against homosexuals or people he claims are homosexuals? Was he out to "get even" with homosexuals or people he claims are homosexuals.

I have great sympathy for Michael Voris who, as he noted, had struggled horrifically with his former lifestyle. I feel bad for him. My difficultly is with Michael Voris the journalist. I wonder about the integrity of his reports related to homosexuality.

Michael Voris is a brilliant man. He demonstrated the great uplifting potential of his apostolate when he helped Vox. Vox suffered a disgraceful attack by men of the Church. Michael Voris responded in holy fashion to aid Vox. That is the good that Michael Voris' apostolate has brought to the table. I just hope that he is able to continue in that fashion.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

Vox said..."I've watched a few tweets from those trying to make mockery of Michael, Our old mutual friend and colleague in the fight before his apostasy, Michael Coren is one. Sad for him. There are others."

Michael Voris was absolved of his sin(s) in question. He has reformed himself. Nobody should mock that. That would be disgraceful.

Michael Voris' situation reminds me of Pope Francis famous handling of a reporter's question about Monsignor Ricca. I believe that the following is very important and pertains to that which Michael Voris will face from those who wish to mock him and refuse to accept that he has been forgiven by God:

Pope Francis said of Monsignor Ricca:

"I did what canon law calls for, that is a preliminary investigation. And from this investigation, there was nothing of what had been alleged. We did not find anything of that. This is the response.

"But I wish to add something else: I see that many times in the Church, over and above this case, but including this case, people search for “sins from youth”, for example, and then publish them. They are not crimes, right? Crimes are something different: the abuse of minors is a crime. No, sins.

"But if a person, whether it be a lay person, a priest or a religious sister, commits a sin and then converts, the Lord forgives, and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives.

"When we confess our sins and we truly say, “I have sinned in this”, the Lord forgets, and so we have no right not to forget, because otherwise we would run the risk of the Lord not forgetting our sins. That is a danger.

"If someone is gay and is searching for the Lord and has good will, then who am I to judge him?"

Michael Voris, in regard to his past life, fits well into the famous above comments by His Holiness Pope Francis.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

John Laws said...

So, Coren's showing his face in public again?

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/04/23/michael-corens-conversion-on-the-road-to-the-rainbow.html

Gotta sell them books.

Anonymous said...

Mark Thomas makes a valid point when comparing Mgr. Ricca and Michael Voris.

It puts the Pope Francis "who am I to judge?" comment in context.

Anonymous said...

Voris is a blogger. He's not a journalist, he's not a theologian, and most important, he's not a priest. He has no obligation to tell anyone anything, ever.

Michael puts out videos & reports based on his group's research. Many people find them helpful and educative. However, it's not an "apostolate" but a sincere effort by a small and faithful group of people.

We are not talking about a Church leader or an elected official. He is a private citizen running a religious organization. That is the reality when you take off the veneer of fascination and adoration some have for Michael Voris.

I've never been one of these Voris groupies. But he's clearly a good and honest man. He's not a sleaze or a liar or a con artist (would we could say the same of some of our clerics).

So... before he reverted to the faith, and before he began his new enterprise, he led a life with some serious moral defects. HAVEN'T WE ALL?!?

Anonymous said...

Vox, be sure please, that Michael Voris will get the message that about 99.9 % of Christians are returning Christ love to him! I hope, he will know that he can continue his APOSTOLATE with the same favor or even bigger than before...

His message now is even more powerful than before! He is a true WITNESS to Christ AWESOME LOVE!

God bless him and God bless you!

Moira McSweeney said...

If you are too much of a coward to use your name you have no right to comment. God bless Michael Voris!

Bernard Brandt said...

As regards the propriety of Mr. Voris keeping his past to himself, I think that Canon 220 of the Code of Canon Law says it all:

Canon 220: No one is permitted to harm illegitimately the good reputation which a person possesses nor to injure the right of any person to protect his or her own privacy.

That Mr. Voris chose to reveal his past says much good about him. That others complain that he failed to do so earlier, says much evil about them.

TLM said...

There is NO WAY that Michael Voris SHOULD HAVE revealed all this about himself years ago..........NO WAY!! What he DID reveal years ago, and I myself have seen this many times, is the fact that he led a horrendously depraved and sinful life before reverting back to the true faith, and unless my memory is slipping (it may be:) he referred to his sinful life as sexual in nature. Now, one can insinuate all kinds of things but homosexuality is one thing that comes to mind, especially as he referred his sinful life as 'horrendously depraved and sinful', and sexual in nature. Why in the world would anyone have to go into detail about it? I don't see this as being a 'conflict of interest' in the LEAST. Michael knows as all of us do or at least should, that homosexual sins are an intrinsic evil. I wouldn't doubt whether he is still beating himself up over them to some extent, even though he KNOWS he has received the forgiveness of the Lord in the sacrament of reconciliation.

And my second point is this: Are there Catholic people still unaware that the Catholic Church is almost half full of homosexual men? At least those that are attracted to the same sex if not 'fully active.' So, why would it be out of the question that the AD of NY has their fair share as well?? Are people that naive that they actually don't see what's going on under their nose? Pope Francis has even said 'Yes, there is a 'gay cabal' in the Vatican'!!! I mean really......if it walks like a duck......

Donnchad O'Conghalaigh said...

I admire Michael Voris more than ever. He is another Augustine, a true witness to God's mercy and healing power. His message is truly counter cultural in this age of transgenderism. His openness and humility are refreshing, characteristics of a true warrior. Thank you, Michael, and thank you Vox for being there for us. May our Lord richly bless you both.

Anonymous said...

Paul Morphy

Well done to Vox Cantoris for the open vote of support for Michael Voris and CM.

To say I was gobsmacked by Voris's public admission is an understatement. The fact that I am angry that this penitent man was being blackmailed by the Archdiocese is equally an understatement.

The New York Archdiocese is rotten to it's core. It is truly reprehensible that an organisation, the Archdiocese, could credibly still claim to be Catholic. It's actions have proven to be diabolical.

However the buck stops at the door of Cardinal Dolan. Whether he or not he approved of the blackmail attempt is one issue.

More importantly, if his Archdiocese was being operated properly such clandestine attempts to blackmail could not happen.
Cardinal Dolan's position is untenable and the facts will come out because the Archdiocese threat failed.

Mark Thomas said...

Anonymous said..."Mark Thomas makes a valid point when comparing Mgr. Ricca and Michael Voris. It puts the Pope Francis "who am I to judge?" comment in context."

It is interesting that one traditionalist after another condemned Pope Francis' "who am I to judge him" comment. Now, they employ the Pope's words in to support Michael Voris. That, of course, is proper as Michael Voris confessed his sins and reformed his life. It is just a shame that so many people until now attacked Pope Francis' comments in question.

Pope Francis: "But if a person, whether it be a lay person, a priest or a religious sister, commits a sin and then converts, the Lord forgives, and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives.

"When we confess our sins and we truly say, “I have sinned in this”, the Lord forgets, and so we have no right not to forget, because otherwise we would run the risk of the Lord not forgetting our sins. That is a danger.

"...who am I to judge him?".

Exactly, Holy Father. Exactly.

Why on earth did traditionalists, who now accept that in the case of Michael Voris, not accept that originally?

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Mark Thomas said...

"There is NO WAY that Michael Voris SHOULD HAVE revealed all this about himself years ago..........NO WAY!!"

Michael Voris said just the opposite. He acknowledged that having hidden his past life was a definite mistake.

Michael Voris said" "I did not reveal the specific nature or details of the sins...I have made many mistakes and missteps as the leader here, but in regard to this specific point, it was a mistake to not bring this forth earlier."

He knows that he made a mistake. He admitted that. He deserves credit for that.

Unfortunately, his mistake calls into question his journalistic credibility related to the many times that he attacked alleged homosexuals. The question is that in consideration of his past hidden life, did he have an axe to grind against homosexuals? Was he on a witch-hunt against homosexuals?

But as Michael Voris the man, as Pope Francis noted during his Catholicism 101 comments about "who am I to judge", Michael's sins of sodomy were forgiven years ago. Nobody can judge Michael Voris' in that regard.

Tremendous good that can come of all this as long as Michael Voris uses his public humiliation to discard Church Militant's approach that features vicious attacks against people. Michael Voris should place himself in the other guy's shoes. Church Militant must cease to humiliate people via vicious journalism.

I don't understand that about Michael Voris as he possesses outstanding journalistic skills. As is noted about him on Church Militant's web site:

Michael Voris "graduated from the University of Notre Dame in 1983 with a degree in Communications and moved into a career as television news reporter, anchor and producer, mainly with CBS News, where he received four Emmy Awards for Excellence in Broadcast Journalism."

That is big-time. He is obviously a very talented journalist. Sadly, he has often misused his formidable journalistic skills. That is certainly true in regard to his many false reports about the SSPX.

I hope that he reforms Church Militant's vicious approach to that which Holy Mother Church calls for via Her teachings on social communication. If he does that, then he can turn his humiliation in a positive for Holy Mother Church and himself.

Michael Voris has been presented with a turning point in his life that should inform him as to how to employ in peaceful fashion his impressive skills as a journalist to benefit Holy Mother Church.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Anonymous said...

"Why on earth did traditionalists, who now accept that in the case of Michael Voris, not accept that originally?"

Because they like and approve of Michael Voris for now. That's why. What's said and what's done counts for less than who says it and who does it.

Be careful though, Mark Thomas. I read your endless comments (rationalizations) on this blog. You suffer from the same condition for different reasons; but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Vox Cantoris said...

Mark,

I don't know what "Traditionalists" you are speaking of, nor do I believe what you are saying is accurate.

I will give you my take.

The situation are not comparable. Msgr. Rica was a Catholic priest who not only committed sin as a man but broke his vows of chastity and celibacy as a priest. Frankly, he should have been suspended and even defrocked.

"Who am I too judge" when taken in context with the full quote is fine and understandable. However, Pope Bergoglio was careless and imprudent in saying it because he should have known how it would be abused, as you know it has been.

Not only did he say that, but he brought Rica out of hotel management and into banking! He promoted him. Rewarded him! This is an outrage and a scandal.

Rica betrayed his Sacerdotal Office, it is hardly the same. As he was promoted, that is a scandal on the part of Bergoglio, a false mercy to the rest of us.

Rica belongs in a strict monastery, not the Vatican Bank!

Any priest with sodomic tendancies should be out of the priesthood and the closet.


Pat said...

There are many mothers begging for their children's souls before the throne of God!