Thursday, 31 December 2015

Dave Armstrong proves himself in response on FB - Vox is a "radical catholic reactionary"

Image result for dave armstrong catholicDave Armstrong has responded on Facebook to my post about his name-calling of Catholics. He could have left the comment in the box here. He did not. This is typical of his attacks on Catholics. He complains I did not link to him. That is because, I won't put a penny in his pocket on Patheos. Even his Facebook links directly to Patheos. It's all about money with these guys and the more the likes of Shea, and now Armstrong, can keep you going back, the more funds flow into their pockets. 

No sooner did I challenge him for the name-calling of Catholics he does it again.

Sorry Dave, you have proved exactly what you are and it is time you were called out. This has been coming for a while. Too bad you can't take it. Your minions like Ross and others are welcome to come here and tell me where I am wrong about what you spew against your fellow-Catholics.

You say that Father John Hardon, "loved your work?" Well, if he were alive today, I doubt very much he would "love" your name-calling and online abuse of your fellow Catholics. It is time you stopped riding on his words that nobody can verify how they came about. You shame his memory.

It is time that you were held accountable, publicly.

The name-calling of Catholics who hold fast to the truth and tradition is appalling. It is satanic. It is typical of these people who think the church only began at Vatican II. Armstrong puts himself forward as an apologist. Instead, he issues screeds at his fellow Catholics that is not going to go unchecked here. He has attacked me personally in the past and I have generally ignored his pretentious writing, but the latest bile on pathetic.com is enough. His slanderous name-calling must be called out. Odd how he denies he does it anymore and then proceeds to call me a "radical catholic reactionary" whatever that might be.

Show some courage and comment here Dave. As for my "bombastic" comments, they are reserved for those who undermine the faith, not the simple "Novus Ordo Catholic" which you will never find on this blog. You are quite petulant and puerile to say the least and I know of one person who has suffered from your writing by following your pathetic example.

Ask yourself if your name-calling is something that is from the Holy Spirit?

Shame on you.

Vox

Below follows his response, the italicised show my original remarks.

Nota Bene: every click you give Armstrong, Shea and others on pathetic.com puts money in their pockets. If you go to his blog, it links directly to pathetic.com as does his FB, It is a racket, don't feed them.



Reply to Latest Attacks from a Radical Catholic Reactionary
This guy refused to link to my piece that sent him into the stratosphere (heaven forbid someone actually read my side of this nonsense), so I won't name him or give a link to his post (from 12-30-15), either. But I will respond (in brackets) to some of the sillier stuff.
"There is an American self-appointed lay "apologist" now writing beyond his own blog, at Patheos. His name is Dave Armstrong. It seems Patheos picks up all of these sorts." ["self-appointed" huh? This is one of the favorite lines of "usual suspect" slanderers. Let's see, for starters, I have twenty officially published books with six different publishers, including most of the largest Catholic ones (including four bestsellers in the field). My first book has a Foreword by Servant of God, Fr. John A. Hardon, SJ, who was Blessed Mother Teresa's catechist and a close adviser to Blessed Pope Paul VI. My second book has a Foreword by Dr. Scott Hahn. I've been endorsed by virtually all of the leading apologists, have been interviewed on Catholic radio over 20 times, including twice on "Catholic Answers Live". I have Imprimaturs, including from my own bishop, a column every other week for "The Michigan Catholic," worked for The Coming Home Network for three years, but I am merely self-appointed and not even entitled to use the title "apologist" to describe myself. What the heck am I, then? I've made my living by writing apologetics these past 14 years. Oh, I forgot: I'm just one "of these sorts." That's what I'll put on my tax form, for occupation]
[Note: this guy favorably cites Fr. Hardon in articles dated 9-20-14, 1-17-14 (in the title), 1-4-13, Fr. Hardon loved my work and called it "very Catholic." I studied with him for many months in 1990-1992. He received me into the Church and baptized my first two sons]
"His [sic] claims to be an "apologist," yet he takes relish in bashing other Catholics."
[I am an apologist; see the above. I take no relish in critiquing Catholics who have gone astray. I criticize the ones who want to bash the pope almost daily, and the Novus Ordo Mass, and Catholics who prefer it, who are slanderously characterized as modernists and neo-Catholics.]
"He can go on about how he has no "objection" to the traditional Mass," [yes I can, since I have attended a traditional Latin Mass since 1991, attended the Tridentine Mass at midnight on Christmas (obviously because I hate it so much) and was in favor of widespread access to it 16 years before Pope Benedict XVI decreed it. I've also written many articles favoring liturgical positions taken by mainstream traditionalists: one of whom -- a person with a major traditionalist website: Unam Sanctam Catholicam -- I invited to my house a few weeks ago to give a talk on the TLM. This guy prominently links to that website on his own sidebar. Sounds very hostile, doesn't it?]
"He is typical of this neo-catholicism that is as destructive to the faith as modernism and the heresies that stem from it." [that's me! Worse than a modernist. All my readers know that: how much I love theological liberalism, folks like Hans Kung, and heresies like Jehovah's Witnesses, that I was refuting over thirty years ago before I was even a Catholic.]
"He is pathetic dot coms latest poster-boy for neo-catholicism. Mad-trads. Trads behaving badly. Rad Trads." [as is well-known, I stopped using the term, "radtrad" a couple of years ago, because it was falsely being perceived as implicating mainstream traditionalists (which it never did). I even went to the trouble of changing the language in dozens of old papers and in a few of my books, which required revisions. I make a stark contrast between mainstream, legitimate traditionalists (with whom I usually agree), and radical Catholic reactionaries, which is what this guy clearly is. But one would never know that about me, reading his babbling ravings.]
"His bombastic, arrogant, uncharitable attacks on Catholics has gone on for years . . ."
[Right; in great contrast, of course, to the measured, charitable, nuanced, soft-spoken, humble, unassuming pontifications of folks like him . . . ]

9 comments:

Kitchener Waterloo Traditional Catholic said...

It's best to ignore the Patheos people. It's a site that gives as much space to atheism and paganism as the true faith. It's doubtful any true ecumenism and conversion go on there. Plus, their bloggers get paid by the click. Dave Armstrong is probably just trying to rattle 'rad trads' to increase traffic and money.

Barona said...

Pride cometh before the fall. The "official" Catholic media establishment is reacting as one does in its death throes. These are the mad ravings of people who have lost control, lost the narrative, are busily digging their elephant trap deeper.

Barona said...

"made my living...tax form". Hmmm, I wonder if this was St. Paul's concern during the great persecution. The Gospel is to be preached freely. When one recalls that our Christian brothers and sisters are being slaughtered all over the world... and we evangelize FOR MONEY?

Ana Milan said...

Like most Catholic converts who blog (and there are many) they only "converted" post Vatican II because the CC was protestantised enough for them to feel comfortable and they saw a gap in the market for catholic evangelism in blogging. Theirs is not the type of evangelisation our beloved Church of Christ wants or needs - it is solely drawn to the secular ecumenism our leadership has bought into as a result of the Spirit of Vatican II. Most of the people on Catholic Answers, Patheos & other websites are not cradle Catholics but came on board via the door left open by Vatican II in their obsession with ecumenism at any price. Cradle Catholics have suffered mercilessly as a result and will continue to do so until Divine intervention which we pray may soon occur. The next two years leading up to the 100th anniversary of Our Lady's apparitions at Fatima and the 500th anniversary of Protestantism are surely going to pave the way for a great showdown which we know Our Lady will win.

Jesus warned his followers that they would be persecuted just as He was. We should, therefore, be glad when this happens as it only demonstrates the badness within that has to be eradicated as well as the satanic influences outside the CC which are doing their utmost to unseat the power of God from His creation and replace Him with man-made heresies. Our answer must be to stand firm, keep trusting the Lord (he has not abandoned us) and pray the Rosary & Chaplet of Divine Mercy for the Divine restoration of Christ's Church on earth. None of the pathetic personal opinions/heterodoxy coming from the present Pontiff & his supporters have changed anything - when it does he will be called out - but does enfeeble the minds of the ¨don't knows" who have not yet been catechised.

Catholic Mission said...


Dave Armstrong liberal Catholic apologist who interprets magisterial documents with an irrationality
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/dave-armstrong-liberal-catholic.html

Kitchener Waterloo Traditional Catholic said...

Vox, is the minion you're referring to Ross Earl Hoffman?

Vox Cantoris said...

Yes, Ross Earl Hoffman, a.k.a. Ross's Minions.

Kitchener Waterloo Traditional Catholic said...

LOL. I didn't know who Dave Armstrong was prior to this but if Ross Earl Hoffman is a fan that's all anyone needs to know. Both are best ignored.

John Laws said...

Freemasonry begot fascism. Fascism subverted Evangelicalism and Pentecostalism begetting the Religious Right. Evangelicalism and Pentecostalism waltzed right into the protestantized Catholicism that our treasonous bishops favoured. The resulting Neo-catholics usurped all gatekeeping and media positions in the Church using their connections to their forebears as leverage.

How's that for a short history of the 20th century? How do we get our Church back?