Friday, 20 November 2015

More killing in the name of the false god - whom do you believe?

Once again we awake to the news that more people are slaughtered in the name of the Islamic god and its false prophet, Mahomet. This time, the victims are in Mali. Reports indicate as in the mall Islamic hordes attack in Kenya, if one can recite a Koranic verse, one is set free.

Yet, we are told by Cardinal Parolin that the Year of Mercy is for Muslims too and from Tom Rosica that their vile chant that their god is greater is not a call to war. Whom do you believe; them, or Aquinas

How about a Catholic and Islamic Scholar Andrew Bieszad who reads and speaks Arabic; would his views make sense? Did you know that Mohammed admitted that Satan influenced him and his Satanic verses?

Is Aquinas too long ago? Then perhaps Parolin and Rosica might want to consult a contemporary and a Jesuit!


Although it can be persuasively argued that ISIS is an aberration of Islam and only followed by a minority, “it is Islamic,” said Jesuit Father Samir Khalil Samir, a scholar of Islam and pro-rector of the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome.  ISIS’ first aim, he stressed, is to re-create the caliphate of Baghdad — that is, make it into a single, theocratic, one-world government, as proposed by many devout Muslims.
“Muslims who say this has nothing to do with Islam are simply trying to liberate their consciences to say they disagree with them,” he told the Register. “That they disagree is fine, but to say ISIS are not representing Islam is wrong. They are not representing the whole Islam; no one represents the whole Islam. The same could be said for Christians. But what is for sure is that they do have a fundament in the Islamic tradition, sometimes clearly taking instructions from the Quran, such as when they kill a nonbeliever.”
What ISIS is doing can, therefore, be “found in the original Muslim tradition,” Father Samir added. Although elements of the Old Testament are “unacceptable” to Catholics today, if interpreted literally, for Muslims, “the Quran, or everything which Muhammad did, is divine.” And whereas Catholicism and other religions reinterpret texts for today and read them in context, that is not the case with Islam.



Ah, dhimmitude. Ignoring reports that the Muslim monsters in Paris disemboweled people whilst still alive at the theatre but you are told that chanting that their "god is greater" before they disembowel doesn't mean what it means.

Seriously?

Look, there are only two choices. You must either be Christian and specifically Catholic or you must become Muslim. Secularism cannot win this fight. It will eventually succumb because the Muslim will is greater. Only robust and evangelical Catholicism can repel this existential threat. 

Not every Muslim is a murdering terrorist; but nearly every murdering terrorist is a Muslim.

There are good Muslims, but it is not because of their false religion and its false prophet, it is in spite of them both.

The Pope is wrong. Parolin is wrong. Tom Rosica is wrong. They are not even reading the Documents of the Second Vatican Council when it comes to salvation. They prefer instead the finely nuanced language that Muslims believe in "one" god and that they "profess" it to be the God of Abraham. If it is the One True God of Abraham as best, it is a severely distorted view and at worst is is the devil himself.


Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad  Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.


Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II


Imagine that. They can't even follow the Council that they have set up as their god. Why do they not do what the Second Vatican Council taught?

We are reaping this whirlwind because the Church has not followed the Fatima message. Rome will be attacked. St. Peter's will be sacked. The Pope will walk over dead bodies and will be killed. This Pope? We cannot be sure. This, the Church has already acknowledged in the parts released. What has not been released? Is it who the perpetrators actually are due to their ecumaniacal, religious indifferent and inter-faith heresy of Freemasonry?

What else can it be when we look back on the last 60 plus years?

Russia has a great role to play in all of this. The Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary must be done. It will be done, but it will be late. 

Russia is the only nation that has the potential because of its culture, strength, knowledge of history and reviving Christian faith to lead. The Consecration of Russia will "convert" Holy Mother Russia back to Catholic unity. Then grace will flow and it will be Russia that will then cleanse Europe and the West and beat back these Islamist hordes one final time. It is absurd to think of Russia as our, the West's enemy. We have a common faith, a common history, a common culture and a common enemy. Nobody wants to see war with Islamists, but we cannot sit by any longer and become victims of this existential threat.

May we live to see the dawning of the thousand years and the era of peace under the Immaculate Heart of Mary.



19 comments:

Barona said...

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Thank-you Vox for this wonderful post.

John the Mad said...

Vox:

Russia is currently run by about 10,000 former KGB agents led by former KGB General Vladmir Putin. It is a gangster state and has invaded and violated the sovereignty of its neighbours Georgia and Ukraine and threatens other adjacent states. The leadership of the Russian Orthodox church under the communist Soviet Union, and currently under the KGB gangsters was and is KGB. It's strength is largely an illusion.

As it currently stands Russia is not our friend, but a dangerous opponent. I know you are writing of a Russia under a post Marian miracle, but I prefer to await such a miracle before placing any trust in the Putin gangster kleptocracy.

Alex A. Biral said...

Nice post! Just a pity about the "Unacceptable" Old testament comment.

Anonymous said...

Pope Francis is worried about fundamental catholic priests. http://www.thejournal.ie/pope-francis-neurotic-priests-unstable-doctor-2458376-Nov2015/

Catholic Mission said...


They are not even reading the Documents of the Second Vatican Council when it comes to salvation - Vox Cantor
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/they-are-not-even-reading-documents-of.html

viterbo said...

http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/terrorized-by-ecumenism.html

Catholic Mission said...

Vox would you agree that these passages you have quoted from Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) agree with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus cited below ?

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II


“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation

Catholic Mission said...

Vox would you agree that Lumen Gentium 16(LG 16) does not refer to explicit cases in 2015 .So it is not an exception to LG 14,AG 7 and extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
Here is LG 16.
16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God. In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues. But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator.-Lumen Gentium 16
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Here are some background links.

VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF: LUMEN GENTIUM 14 AND AD GENTES 7 DO NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF :NEITHER ARE THEY CONTRADICTED BY LUMEN GENTIUM 16
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/06/vatican-council-ii-does-not-contradict.html

If LG 16 is 'invisible' : Koch,Ladaria and Di Noia could be outside the Church and the SSPX in
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/if-lg-16-is-invisible-kochladaria-and.html



Since for Pope Francis LG 16 is visible, Vatican Council II is a break with the past, the past 'triumphalism'.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/04/since-for-pope-francis-lg-16-is-visible.html


Sedevacantists after months of discussions cannot answer if Lumen Gentium 16 is explicit or implicit and if it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/10/message-incomplete-four-months-have.html

Vox Cantoris said...

Yes. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.

Mark Thomas said...

Blogger viterbo said..."http://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/terrorized-by-ecumenism.html"

I followed that link and found the following anti-Catholic comment: "Pope" "Blessed" Paul VI signed the heretical document Nostra Aetate in 1965..."

1. Parentheses or not, "Pope" "Blessed" Paul VI was Pope...and like it or not, the True Church has proclaimed him "Blessed". To claim otherwise is anti-Catholic and irresponsible.

2. Nostra Aetate, for better or worse, was promulgated by Pope Blessed Paul VI.

The Catholic Church continues to accept the validity of Nostra Aetate...Cardinal Brandmuller, for example, declared that the assent owed to various Conciliar documents differs.

To argue that Nostra Aetate is a product of it's time (ecumenical and interreligious mania) and does not reflect the horrific reality of today's situation in regard to Islam would be one thing...

...but to declare that the Holy Catholic Church's Nostra Aetate is "heretical" is false, irresponsible, and anti-Catholic.

Pax.

Mark Thomas

Vox Cantoris said...

Catholic Mission, there is no salvation outside the Church. God is not bound by His sacraments. It may be that others are saved but if so, it is through the Church and we cannot know for certain who, if any, those souls may be.

Catholic Mission said...

Vox so you agree that AG 7 and LG 14 are in agreement with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They both do not mention any 'exceptions' in the actual text.
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Lumen Gentium 16 which refers to being saved invincible ignorance ( with or without the baptism of water)for me refers to hypothethical cases, invisible for us and accepted in theory. They can only be known to God if they exist.

For the pope and the Vatican Curia Lumen Gentium 16 refers to visible cases, personally known in the present times, this is how Lumen Gentium 16 becomes 'an exception' to all needing faith and baptism in the Catholic Church for salvation(AG 7, LG 14). It also contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus quoted above.
So how would you interpret Lumen Gentium 16, like me or the Vatican Curia ?
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Vox Cantoris said...

Please cease your inquisition. I am not on trial on my blog. Clear?

Catholic Mission said...

I am asking you these questions since this issue is related to Islam which is the subject of your post.
If you do not know the answer say it. I would do the same thing. I am not perfect.
Let me rephrase the two questions:

For Vox Cantoris Lumen Gentium 16 (being saved in invincible ignorance) refers to visible cases, personally known in the present times, since Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to 'all' needing 'faith and baptism' in the Catholic Church for salvation(AG 7, LG 14)?
It also contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus quoted above.

This is also true for those who wrote the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), when it is stated that 'God is not limited to the Sacraments(1257) and all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church ( 846) ? Was this entry a mistake in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the same mistake made by Vox Cantoris?

Vox Cantoris said...

Lionel, I believe is your name,

Why are you questioning what I believe? The two quotes I used show that the current leadership of the Church do not even believe Vatican II's statements.

Where Vatican II is in harmony with the "hermeneutic of continuity" I accept it, where it is a "rupture" I reject it. I agree with Bishop Schneider that a future Pope must issue a Syllabus of Errors in connection with it.

I am not no trial here, please. If I am being unclear then I do not see where.

There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church and without water Baptism. This is what I believe. However, it is possible that given natural law and invincible ignorance God may choose to do whatever He wishes with that person. However, it is not possible for me or anyone to know who that might be or if it has actually ever happened. It is only that God is not bound by His Sacraments, we are!

Now, is there a problem with that?

George Brenner said...


Vox, Your replies to Lionel are spot on correct and are Church teaching. I ceased my communications with Lionel after many years. As Catholics we do not and can not project, assume, encourage or teach anyone that they MIGHT find themselves saved in a state of sanctifying grace pleasing to God through Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood or are to be wanting due to invincible ignorance. That has been a huge problem in the Church for many decades as only a remnant in the Church still teach NSOCC. Priests have said to me that I hope you do not still believe that or open a homily by saying that the Church errored when she taught NSOCC for centuries. I left a church screaming heretic when that was proclaimed. We are truly a remnant and thus the crisis of faith and widespread loss in the world of sound morals. We must teach out of love. obedience, charity and duty that ALL must join the Catholic Church in order to be saved. As Pope Pius XI, Father Faber and hosts of Saints, catechesis and doctrine have proclaimed for centuries that as Catholics it is our duty and charge from Jesus to try to convert ALL to the one true Catholic Church and to proceed further in ANY other means of salvation is unlawful and disobedient to Jesus. Even the Baltimore Catechism proclaims that NO ONE can be saved and belong to the soul of the Church who refuses to belong to the body of the Church. As a wise and holy Monsignor said to me, if we were to come upon a totally ignorant person in the most remote part of the world that we would have a duty and a right to convert them to Catholicity if possible. If a non Catholic person dies in a state of invincible ignorance they are in the hands of God. Lionel has formed his own personal take on how and what God may or may not do with an individual soul AFTER death. He projects his opinions and dictates to God beyond the grave which is heresy. I could write a book on this and about the very epicenter and ground zero of this crisis but that is for another time if at all.

Catholic Mission said...

You notice we agree that Vatican Council II says all Muslims and other non Catholics need 'faith and baptism' for salvation. So Vatican Council II holds the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).

But if you repeat this soon a good Catholic will tell you that you are wrong. Since being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), the baptism of desire/implicit desire(LG 14) and the baptism of blood(BOD) are exceptions to the passages quoted above i.e EENS and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14).

So I asked you if LG 16 can really be an exception to the two passages cited above?

To get through all these objections that are often raised we have to make the distinction betwen what is visible and invisible. We define our terms.
HYPOTHETICAL CASE
1. LG 16 can refer to a person, a hypothetical case , a person who is not visible to us in real life. We personally do not know of any one saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire or blood and who is there in Heaven without the baptism of water.

NON HYPOTHETICAL CASE

2.However if you, Vox say that Lumen Gentium 16(LG 16) is an exception to the dogma EENS and to AG 7, LG 14 ( quoted above) then you are saying there is someone who is saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

This person to be an exception to all needing faith and baptism ; this person to be an exception to all needing tormally enter the Church for salvation (EENS) ; this person to be an example of salvation outside the Church MUST EXIST, MUST BE VISIBLE AND KNOWN IN OUR REALITY.If he does not exist he is not an exception.Zero cases in our reality cannot be an exception to all needing 'faith and baptism' for salvation in 2015.

So since for you Vox and so many other Catholics who say LG 16 is an exception to EENS or Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) , these persons are personally known to you.They exist in Heaven and are visible on earth for you,otherwise how could they be exceptions to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

This is the irrational reasoning being used by you, George Brenner and Catholics in general.

NO EXCEPTIONS FOR ME

For me Lionel, there are no explicit cases of being saved in invincible ignorance, BOD or BOB (without or with the baptism of water).So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. Vatican Council II is affirming the traditional teaching on other religions. It is saying all Muslims with no known exceptions in 2015 need 'faith and baptism'(AG 7, LG 14); they need to formally concert into the Church (EENS), to go to Heaven and avoid the fires of Hell.

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CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND EENS

So it is important to note that when the Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 says God is not limited to the Sacraments, it is referring to a hypothetical case.It is not relevant or an exception to the two passages above(EENS/ AG7,LG 14).

When the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church, it is also mentioning BOD, BOB and I.I which we know are not objective in our reality and so are not exceptions or relevant to EENS. They are not exceptions to the traditional teaching on other relgions.They do not contradict the dogma EENS according to Fr. Leonard Feeney.

SYLLABUS OF ERRORS
So can you intepret magisterial documents using Feeneyism ( there are no exceptions to the dogma EENS) or Cushingism ( there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS, they include BOD, BOB and I.I).

If you interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism would you still need a Syllabus of Errors on 1) other religions and salvation and 2) ecumenism?

Catholic Mission said...

These questions are addressed to Dr.Joseph Shaw however you and George Brenner are welcome to answer them.

Vox I affirm the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II so you do not have to be concerned on this point. We both continue to accept these magisterial documents.

However you use an irrational premise and inference in the interpretation and I do not. So I would reject your interpretation of Vatican Council II.

Cardinal Ratzinger could have have avoided all this confusion when he was preparing the Catechism(1992) but he did not. Any way the text which mentions BOD, BOB and I.I for me, is always invisible and not visible, hypothetical and never objectively known.

Questions for Dr.Joseph Shaw
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/message-incomplete-in-previous-blog.html

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Here are my answers. Do you you or George disagree on any point?

Questions for Dr.Joseph Shaw : answers from me
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/11/questions-for-drjoseph-shaw-answers.html

Vox Cantoris said...

Lionel,

I will allow you to continue to post on this blog but you are testing my patience.

I have answered your question and you do not need to "correct" me any further.

There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church through baptism by water.

Baptism by Blood or Desire are not mine to know of any actual cases.

It is all up to God Himself.

Now, stop; if you keep up with this interrogation of me I will not approve any of your comments.