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Tuesday, 13 October 2015

Father Thomas Rosica protégé accuses Cardinal Burke of living in an "Ivory Tower"

Originally published on October 22, 2014. Much of what occurred during and after the Synod in 2014 is as relevant today as part II continues. Ironically, this Salt + Light assistant appeared on a program called "The Agenda!"

Salt and Light attacks Card. Burke: sticking to the ideal instead of ministering to people

Father Thomas Rosica's network Salt + Light's broadcaster Alicia Ambrosio harshly and unduly criticized Cardinal Burke as living in an "Ivory Tower." 


"Lauding the Vatican’s Synod on the Family as “huge” change, a producer from Canada’s Catholic TV network Salt and Light, headed by CEO Fr. Thomas Rosica, has criticized outspoken champion of orthodoxy Cardinal Raymond Burke, suggesting that he is in an “ivory tower” and “sticking to the ideal” instead of ministering to people — such as homosexuals and the divorced — caught up in the “messiness of life.”
“There’s finally a realization that maybe the way we’ve been approaching things doesn’t help, or it’s not taking into account that that’s an ideal and real life is messy and we have to be able to deal with the mess, not the black and white,” said Alicia Ambrosio, producer and host of Vatican Connections on Salt and Light Television, to the host of TV Ontario’s The Agenda program last Friday evening, Oct. 17. (Click here to watch the video) "
The Executive Producer of Salt + Light, is Thomas Rosica, CSB, the same Fr. Rosica that was the English language media spokesman at the Synod in Rome last week and said to heretic Gregory Baum in an interview that "you have been for me and continue to be a real model of hope." 




http://tvo.org/video/programs/the-agenda-with-steve-paikin/alicia-ambrosio-vatican-values

The transcript follows:

http://tvo.org/transcript/2231372/video/programs/the-agenda-with-steve-paikin/alicia-ambrosio-vatican-values

Piya says THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
APPEARS TO HAVE SOFTENED ITS
RHETORIC ON PREMARITAL SEX,
HOMOSEXUALITY AND DIVORCE.
JOINING US NOW TO HELP US
DISCERN WHAT THE CHANGES REALLY
ARE INDICATIVE OF, WE WELCOME:
ALICIA AMBROSIO, PRODUCER AND
HOST OF “VATICAN CONNECTIONS” ON
SALT AND LIGHT TELEVISION.
WELCOME BACK TO
THE AGENDA.

Alicia is a woman in her late thirties. She has brown short hair in a bob and wears a vibrant red blouse.

Alicia says GOOD TO BE
HERE.

Piya says THERE HAS BEEN
SOMETHING CALLED VATICAN SYNOD
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON THE PAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS.
WE'RE NEARLY AT THE END OF IT.

Alicia says CLOSE TO
THE END.

Piya continues WHAT IS A SYNOD?

Alicia says A SYNOD IS
BASICALLY A PERMANENT STRUCTURE,
A PERMANENT COMMITTEE OF BISHOPS
THAT MEET EVERY FEW YEARS TO
DISCUSS DIFFERENT TOPICS.

A caption reads ‘Alicia Ambrosio. Salt and light television.’ Then it changes to ‘Vatican values. Summarizing the Synod.’

Alicia continues POPE PAUL VI CREATED IT.
THEY SAID WE NEED TO BE MEETING
REGULARLY, NOT JUST ONCE EVERY
BLUE MOON, ONCE EVERY CENTURY,
TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES THAT THE
CHURCH IS FACING.
SO SINCE THEN THE SYNOD HAS
MET -- I THINK THEY MEET EVERY
KIND OF TWO TO THREE YEARS,
SOMETIMES EVERY FOUR YEARS, AND
THERE'S USUALLY A SPECIFIC TOPIC
THEY FOCUS ON.
SO THE PREVIOUS SYNOD WAS ABOUT
THE NEW EVENTUALIZATION. HOW TO
TRANSMIT THE FAITH IN THIS NEW ERA.
BEFORE THAT IT WAS ABOUT THE
MIDDLE EAST.

Piya says WHO DECIDES WHAT THE
TOP OF THE AGENDA IS?

Alicia says BASICALLY
THE POPE.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE CENTRAL
COMMITTEE OF THE SYNOD THAT KIND
OF SETS OUT WHAT THE TOPICS
SHOULD BE, BUT THIS TIME IT WAS
POPE FRANCIS WHO SAID, YOU KNOW
WHAT?
I'M HEARING A LOT OF STUFF FROM
BISHOPS AND PEOPLE WRITING TO
ME, THE FAITHFUL, AND THEY'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT
ISSUES THAT ARE AFFECTING THEIR
FAMILY.
WE URGENTLY NEED TO DISCUSS THE
CHALLENGES TO THE FAMILY TODAY.

Piya says OKAY.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO MEET, THIS
GROUP OF BISHOPS.
THEY COME OUT WITH THIS
PRELIMINARY REPORT, WHICH WE'LL
TALK ABOUT IN JUST A SEC,
THEY'LL COME OUT WITH A FINAL
REPORT, I GUESS.
THEY MAKE THESE STATEMENTS.
WHAT IMPACT DOES THE SYNOD HAVE
ON THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE
THROUGHOUT THE CHURCH THROUGHOUT
THE WORLD?

Alicia says NOW, THIS
IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION
BECAUSE UP UNTIL NOW, YOU ASK
ANYONE WHO HAS COVERED A SYNOD,
WHO HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THESE
SYNODS, IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE
THERE'S NOT MUCH.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG CRITIQUES
IS THAT THERE'S THIS TWO-WEEK,
SOMETIMES THREE-WEEK MEETING OF
BISHOP, THEY PICK A TOPIC AND
DISCUSS IT FROM DIFFERENT
ANGLES, THEY PUT OUT THIS NICE
FINAL DOCUMENT WITH
RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS
AND REFLECTIONS AND THEN IT
DISAPPEARS.
NOTHING GETS DONE.
IT'S JUST A BUNCH OF REALLY NICE
THOUGHTS.
I THINK ACTUALLY THE POPE SAID
THIS: NICE THOUGHTS, BEAUTIFUL
REFLECTIONS, AND THAT'S ABOUT
IT.
BUT THIS TIME, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH
A CONCRETE TOPIC AND IT'S
SOMETHING THAT, FROM THE GROUND
UP, I'M HEARING PRIESTS, I'M
HEARING PEOPLE WHO WORK IN
MINISTRY IN THE CHURCH SAYING, I
REALLY NEED THEM TO TELL ME WHAT
TO DO WITH THIS SITUATION AND
THAT SITUATION.
I THINK FOR THE FIRST TIME WE'RE
GOING TO SEE A SYNOD THAT, MAYBE
NOT RIGHT AWAY BUT DOWN THE ROAD
WILL RESULT IN PASTORAL
GUIDELINES BECAUSE ONE OF THE
PROBLEMS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IS
THAT PRIESTS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE
WORKING WITH FAMILIES AND YOUNG
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO IN
CERTAIN TRICKY SITUATIONS IN
LIFE.

Piya says OKAY.
YOU SAID THE SYNOD -- I THINK
YOU SAID IT WAS A CONCRETE
TOPIC.
IT'S ALSO A VERY CONTROVERSIAL
ONE.
THE SENIOR CLERICS THAT ARE
TAKING PART IN THIS REVIEW OF
CATHOLIC TEACHINGS OF THE
FAMILY, I THINK IS HOW THEY
DUBBED IT, BUT IN ADDITION TO
OPENING THE DOOR TO DIVORCE AND
COHABITATION, ONE OF THE MOST
CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSIONS FROM
THIS PRELIMINARY REPORT HAS TO
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

A new caption reads ‘Vatican values. A subtle or seismic shift?’

Piya continues I WANT TO READ PART
OF WHAT THE
STATEMENT HAS SAID COMING OUT OF
THE SYNOD SO FAR...

A slate on screen reads ‘Opening the doors?’ and Piya reads
HOMOSEXUALS HAVE GIFTS AND
QUALITIES TO OFFER TO THE
CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY…OFTEN
THEY WISH TO ENCOUNTER A CHURCH
THAT OFFERS THEM A WELCOMING
HOME. ARE OUR COMMUNITIES CAPABLE
OF PROVIDING THAT, ACCEPTING AND
VALUING THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION,
WITHOUT COMPROMISING CATHOLIC
DOCTRINE ON THE FAMILY AND MATRIMONY?
Quoted from ‘Extraordinary Synod of Bishops on the Family. October 13, 2014.’

Piya continues OKAY, ALICIA.
SOUNDS LIKE A STERN STATEMENT.
WHAT CAN WE TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT
IT SAYS?

Alicia says WE NEED TO
BACK UP HALF A STEP AND LOOK AT
WHAT THAT MIDTERM REPORT WAS.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A PRESCRIPTION
FOR WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, IT'S
ACTUALLY MORE OF A SUMMARY OF
WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID IN THE
HALL, BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT 260
PEOPLE IN THE SYNOD HALL.
EACH ONE GETS A CHANCE TO TALK.
AND YOU CAN IMAGINE AFTER A WEEK
OF HEARING PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
THESE DIFFERENT TOPICS, YOU
FORGET WHAT'S BEEN SAID.
SO THE FUNCTION OF THAT MIDTERM
DOCUMENT WAS REALLY: HERE'S THE
SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU ALL HAVE
SAID.
IT'S LIKE A MIRROR BEING HELD UP
TO THE BISHOPS.
HERE YOU GO.
THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY A PRESCRIPTION.
THESE ARE THE TOPICS YOU TALKED
ABOUT AND THESE ARE THE KEY
POINTS YOU MADE ABOUT THESE
TOPICS.
SO IT'S TELLING THE BISHOPS, YOU
SAID THIS.
WHEN I HEAR THAT STATEMENT
REALLY WHAT I'M HEARING IS FOR
THE FIRST TIME IN THAT ROOM
BISHOPS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
REALITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN
SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS WHO WANT
TO COME TO CHURCH AND HAVE NOT
FOUND THEIR PLACE IN THEIR
PARISHES AND THEY'RE ASKING:
WHAT DO WE DO?
WHERE DO WE FIND THE BALANCE?
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ALSO THAT
THE CHURCH HAS A VERY SPECIFIC
DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE AND OF
FAMILY AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE
CHURCH IS TRYING TO BE BOSSY AND
DON'T DO THIS, DON'T DO THAT.
IT COMES OUT OF A VERY SPECIFIC
VIEW OF THE HUMAN PERSON AND
WHAT THE HUMAN HEART AND THE
HUMAN SOUL NEEDS, AND HOW DOES
THE HUMAN PERSON FUNCTION BEST?
AND THERE'S FINALLY A
REALIZATION THAT MAYBE THE WAY
WE'VE BEEN APPROACHING THINGS
DOESN'T HELP OR IT'S NOT TAKING
INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT
THAT'S AN IDEAL AND REAL LIFE IS
MESSY AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
DEAL WITH THE MESS, NOT THE
BLACK AND WHITE.

Piya says OKAY.
SO ON THE ONE HAND, AS YOU PUT
IT, THIS IS LIKE WE GOT
TOGETHER, WE HAD THIS MEETING.
HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS WERE
DISCUSSING.
WE PUT OUT THIS REPORT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I MEAN, WE
DON'T HEAR THESE KIND OF
STATEMENTS COMING OUT OF THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH.
SO IS IT A CHANGE IN CATHOLIC
TEACHING?

Alicia says NO.
BUT IT IS A CHANGE IN TONE.
AND THE CHANGE IN TONE, I
BELIEVE, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING,
AND JUST BECAUSE I'M HEARING IT
COMING NOT JUST FROM THE TOP BUT
FROM THE BOTTOM UP, THAT'S GOING
TO RESULT IN ON THE GROUND IN
PARISHES A CHANGE IN ATTITUDE, A
CHANGE IN -- YOU KNOW WHAT?
MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO TELL
PEOPLE THEY'RE WRONG.
MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND
FIND A WAY TO WELCOME THEM INTO
OUR COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH THEY
MIGHT NOT BE PERFECT IN OUR
EYES.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE HUGE.

Piya says IT IS HUGE.
TONE WILL CHANGE, AS YOU SAY, IT
WOULD BE A HUGE SHIFT FROM WHAT
WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.

Alicia says MM-HMM.

Piya continues THIS COMES UNDER POPE
FRANCIS, I DON'T NEED TO TELL
YOU, HIS REPUTATION IS OF A
PROGRESSIVE POPE, A LOT OF
PEOPLE HAVE SEEN HIM AS A
FORWARD-THINKER AND HOPEFULLY TO
THEM ANYWAY OF BEING ABLE TO
CHANGE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
YOU SAID WHO AM I TO JUDGE IN
REFERENCE TO GAY PEOPLE A WHILE
BACK --
HOW MUCH IS THIS ABOUT THE MAN
WHO LEADS THE CHURCH, ABOUT POPE
FRANCIS.

Alicia says I HAVE A
COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON THIS.
THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS
WE CAN SAY ABOUT THIS.
FIRST, I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO
SAY THAT HE'S PROGRESSIVE
BECAUSE, IT'S NOT ABOUT -- I
MEAN, THAT IMPLIES THAT THERE'S
SOMETHING BEHIND THE TIMES, AND
WHAT HE IS REALLY IS REALISTIC
BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY -- NOT THE
ONLY, BUT ONE OF THE FEW POPES
WE'VE HAD IN RECENT TIMES WHO
HAS ACTUALLY WORKED IN THE
TRENCHES, SO TO SPEAK.
THIS IS THE MAN WHO AS
ARCHBISHOP DIDN'T GO TO THE RICH
PARISHES TO MEET PEOPLE BUT WENT
INTO THE SLUMS TO MEET PEOPLE
THERE AND DISCOVERED THAT THERE
WERE A LOT OF REALLY POOR PEOPLE
IN THESE SLUMS WHO HAD A LOT OF
FAITH BUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF
THEIR LIVES WERE MESSY AND THEY
COULDN'T LIVE UP TO WHAT THEY
SAW AS THE CATHOLIC IDEAL.
SO HE'S REALISTIC, MORE THAN
ANYTHING.
HERE'S WHAT WE'VE GOT ON PAPER.
THIS IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS IN
THE WORLD.
LET'S OPEN OUR EYES AND BE
REALISTIC HERE.
NOW, IS THIS HIM TRYING TO PUSH
THE CHURCH IN A NEW DIRECTION?
HE IS AND HE ISN'T.
HE'S TRYING TO GET THE BISHOPS
TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
HE MADE ONE COMMENT, ONE
STATEMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF
THE SYNOD AND THE CRUX OF IT WAS
REALLY: I WANT YOU ALL TO SIT
HERE, SPEAK OPENLY, SPEAK
FREELY, DON'T BITE YOUR TONGUE
BECAUSE YOU THINK I WON'T LIKE
WHAT YOU SAY.
GO.
HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
AND THAT'S ALL HE'S REALLY SAID
ABOUT THIS.
SO IT'S ALL BEEN THE BISHOPS AND
THE CARDINALS AND THE LAY
EXPERTS WHO HAVE BEEN INVITED
THEMSELVES SAYING, WELL, I SEE
THIS.
I SEE THAT.
THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S A
PROBLEM.
WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS?
THIS IS COMING FROM WITHIN.
THIS IS NOT HIM LEADING ANYONE
BY THE NOSE.

Piya says I SUPPOSE IT'S LIKE
ALMOST ANYTHING IN THE WORLD
WHERE YOU SEE OR HEAR WHAT YOU
WANT OUT OF WHAT SOMEONE IS
SAYING.
CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS HAVE
SPOKEN OUT AGAINST THIS MESSAGE
OUT OF THE PRELIMINARY REPORT
AND I WANT TO READ WHAT CARDINAL
RAYMOND BOURQUE, A CONSERVATIVE
CARDINAL SAID, RAYMOND BOURQUE,
HERE'S WHAT HE SAID...

A new slate on screen reads ‘Open to change?’ 

Piya reads
WHILE THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION
PURPORTS TO REPORT ONLY THE
DISCUSSION, WHICH TOOK PLACE
AMONG THE SYNOD FATHERS, IT, I
N FACT, ADVANCES POSITIONS
WHICH MANY SYNOD FATHERS DO
NOT ACCEPT AND, I WOULD SAY,
AS FAITHFUL SHEPHERS OF THE
FLOCK CANNOT ACCEPT.
Quoted from ‘The Catholic World Report by Cardinal Raymond Burke. October 14, 2014.’

Piya continues HE SAID THAT I THINK
14TH, A COUPLE DAYS AGO.
IF THIS IS JUST, AS YOU SUGGEST
IT IS, A TONAL CHANGE IS NOT A
TEACHING CHANGE, WHY HAVE WE
BEEN SEEING THAT KIND OF
REACTION OUT OF MORE
CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS?

Alicia says WELL, I
MEAN, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU
SEE IN POLITICS AS WELL LEFT AND
RIGHT, NO MATTER WHAT THE OTHER
SIDE SAYS, THIS SIDE IS GOING TO
FREAK OUT.
CARDINAL BURKE COMES FROM A
STREAM THAT DOESN'T BELIEVE WE
SHOULD EVEN BE HAVING THIS
CONVERSATION, THAT THIS IS THE
TRUTH, THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE
HAPPENING.
IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING UP TO THE
TRUTH, IF YOU'RE NOT LIVING UP
TO THIS IDEAL, YOU'RE WRONG, AND
THERE SHOULD BE NO CONVERSATION
ABOUT HOW TO BEND TO WELCOME
PEOPLE IN BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE
BENDING ON THE TRUTH.
SO IT'S REALLY -- IT'S A MIND
SET AND DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD
WITH OTHER JOURNALISTS AND OTHER
CATHOLICS, WE'RE REALLY
WONDERING, WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN TO CARDINAL BURKE AND
OTHERS OF HIS ILK AFTER THE
SYNOD?
BECAUSE IF THIS CONVERSATION
GOES DOWN THE ROAD THAT THEY
CAN'T ACCEPT, THEN WHAT?

Piya says ARE THEY OUT OF
TOUCH?

Alicia hesitates I THINK --
I THINK --

Piya says YOU MADE THE CASE
THAT WE HAVE A POPE THAT IS, YOU
KNOW, REFLECTING WHAT HE SEES IN
REALITY.
THAT STATEMENT FROM CARDINAL
BURKE SEEMS TO SAY MAYBE HE
DOESN'T GET WHAT THE POPE AT
LEAST IS SEEING ON THE GROUND.

Alicia says YEAH.
AND FROM WHAT I KNOW OF CARDINAL
BURKE'S BACKGROUND, THE LAST TEN
YEARS OR SO HASN'T BEEN IN
PASTORAL WORK, IT'S BEEN RUNNING
AN ARCHDIOCESE, SO THERE HASN'T
BEEN THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO GET
IN THE TRENCHES AND SEE THE
MESSINESS OF LIFE.
IT'S LIVING WITH A BELIEF THAT
THIS IS WHAT WE TEACH, THIS IS
THE TRUTH -- STICK WITH IT.
OTHERWISE, YOU'RE OUT, AND WE
SHOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING WHAT
THAT TRUTH IS BECAUSE THEN WE'RE
CHANGING WHAT WE ARE COMPLETELY.
SO I THINK, JUST LIKE I COULD
SAY THAT POPE FRANCIS IS
REALISTIC AS OPPOSED TO
PROGRESSIVE, I THINK STATEMENTS
LIKE CARDINAL BURKE'S ARE COMING
FROM A PLACE OF -- MORE OF BEING
IN AN IVORY TOWER AND, YOU KNOW,
JUST LIVING WITH THE IDEAL,
STICKING TO THE IDEAL.

Piya says IN THE PAST,
ARGUABLY, THE VOICE FROM THE
IVORY TOWER WAS HEARD QUITE
LOUDLY.
HOW MUCH IS THAT CHANGING IN THE
CHURCH?

Alicia says WELL, THE
POWER STRUCTURES HAVE CHANGED.
JUST LOOKING AT THE VATICAN,
WHICH IS MY SPECIALTY, IN THE
PAST, EVEN THERE, IT WAS A GAME.
IT WAS KNOWING WHO TO PLEASE TO
GET YOUR OPINION HEARD, TO GET
YOUR POSITION PUT FORWARD, AND
TO GET THE BOSS' FAVOUR.
THAT'S ALL CHANGED.
AND I'VE BEEN TOLD FROM PEOPLE
WHO ARE LIVING AND WORKING
THERE, EVEN IF YOU SEE SOMEONE
MEETING WITH THE POPE ON A
WEEKLY BASIS, ON A REGULAR
BASIS, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY
MEAN THAT PERSON HAS THE POPE'S
EAR OR THE POPE'S CONFIDENCE.
SO THAT'S CHANGING, AND IF IT'S
CHANGING AT THAT LEVEL, IT'S
CHANGING ON THE LOWER LEVELS AS
WELL.

A caption reads ‘Vatican values. A Cardinal divide?’

Alicia continues WHAT I'VE SEEN,
YOU KNOW, IN
VARIOUS PARTS OF THE CHURCH IN
PARISHES, THE LAYPEOPLE FINALLY
FEEL LIKE THEIR VOICE IS BEING
HEARD, THEIR LIVES ARE BEING
REFLECTED IN WHAT THIS POPE IS
SAYING AND THAT'S HUGE.
SO WE'RE GETTING THAT CHANGE
FROM THE TOP DOWN AND FROM THE
BOTTOM UP BECAUSE NOW, TO BE
CREDIBLE TO THE LAYPEOPLE, TO BE
CREDIBLE TO THE FAITHFUL, IT'S
NOT JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING
REALLY HOLY AND BEING REALLY
PRAYERFUL AND GIVING A GOOD
SERMON, IT'S ABOUT WALKING THE
WALK.

Piya says THAT ON THE OTHER
HAND IS THE CHALLENGE PUT FORTH,
IF I CAN PUT IT THAT WAY, BY
MORE CONSERVATIVES FROM THE
CHURCH.
I WANT TO READ SOMETHING FROM
FRANCIS DEBERNARDO WHO IS HEAD
OF THE NEW WAYS MINISTRY WHO
CALLED IT “SIGNIFICANT” WHAT
HAPPENED AT THE SYNOD SO FAR...

Piya reads a new slate titled ‘Real change?’ She says
IT’S NOT JUST A CHANGE OF TONE.
NEVER BEFORE HAS THE CHURCH
TALKED ABOUT LESBIANS AND GAYS
HAVING GIFTS TO OFFER. NEVER
BEFORE HAS THE CHURCH ACCEPTED
THAT THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION
HAS SOMETHING POSITIVE TO OFFER.
Quoted from ‘The Independent by Francis De Bernardo. October 16, 2014.’

Piya continues WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
THOSE COMMENTS?
HERE'S SOMEONE SITTING THERE
SAYING: WAIT A MINUTE.
THEY NEVER EVEN SAID WE HAVE
GIFTS TO GIVE!

Alicia smiles and says WHICH IS
TRUE.
AND PROBABLY IN THE PAST, YOU
KNOW, IF A PASTOR DID FEEL THAT
THE GAYS IN HIS COMMUNITY HAD
SOMETHING TO OFFER TO THE
PARISH, IT WAS SAID QUIETLY AND
IT WAS KIND OF, THEY WERE
WELCOMED INTO THE PARISH QUIETLY
AND HUSH HUSH AND NOT IN EVERY
PARISH.
I MEAN, I THINK ALSO THERE'S A
TENDENCY WITH GROUPS LIKE NEW
WAVE TO REALLY MAYBE HOPING FOR
A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH, HOPING
THAT DOCTRINE WILL BE REWRITTEN,
THAT CHURCH TEACHING WILL BE
REWRITTEN.
BUT THAT SHIFT IN TONE IS BIG.
I THINK HE'S RIGHT, THAT IS BIG
BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IT
MEANS THAT ON THE GROUND LEVEL,
IN THE PARISH, IT'S SUDDENLY --
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE
TO OTHER FAITHFUL, IT'S NOT
GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE TO
EXCLUDE SOMEONE WHO HAS A
SINCERE THIRST FOR GOD AND WHO
HAS A SINCERE DESIRE TO PRACTISE
THEIR FAITH BUT IS EITHER IN A
SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIP OR IS
DIVORCED AND REMARRIED.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE
TO EXCLUDE THAT PERSON ANYMORE,
AND THAT'S HUGE.

Piya says I SUPPOSE THE
ARGUMENT IS THAT THERE IS A LONG
ROAD BETWEEN ACCEPTANCE AND
INCLUSION, AND YOU'RE SAYING
THAT THIS IS THE FIRST STEP
TOWARDS -- ON THAT JOURNEY.

Alicia says YES.
BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT -- WE'RE
NOT GOING TO SEE -- I CAN'T
REPEAT THIS ENOUGH.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE CHURCH
TEACHING CHANGE AND SAY SUDDENLY
IT'S OKAY TO BE DIVORCED AND GET
REMARRIED OR THE CHURCH IS GOING
TO PERFORM MARRIAGES BETWEEN
COUPLES OF THE SAME SEX.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT.
BUT WE ARE GOING TO SEE THAT THE
PARISH DOORS OPEN AND THESE
PEOPLE WILL FIND A PLACE TO LIVE
THEIR FAITH, BECAUSE I THINK THE
ASSUMPTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN, IF
YOU'RE IN ONE OF THESE
SITUATIONS THAT THE CHURCH
CONSIDERS IRREGULAR, THEN
CLEARLY YOU MUST HAVE LOST FAITH
AND ABANDONED THE CHURCH.
AND THE REALITY IS, THAT'S OFTEN
NOT THE CASE.
IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IT'S PEOPLE WHO FIND THEMSELVES
IN A SITUATION THAT THE CHURCH
DEEMS IRREGULAR OR NOT ALLOWABLE
THAT ACTUALLY STRUGGLE BECAUSE
MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THEY'RE
STILL VERY FAITHFUL PEOPLE BUT
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE BEEN
ALIENATED BY THEIR CHURCH AND A
LOT OF TIMES THAT'S THE ONLY
COMMUNITY THAT THEY'VE KNOWN.
THAT'S BEEN THEIR COMMUNITY MORE
THAN THE WIDER CIVIC COMMUNITY
AND THEY FEEL ALIENATED.
I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK
AT IT FROM THAT ANGLE.

Piya says I WANT TO LOOK AT IT
FROM ONE MORE ANGLE, AND THAT IS
POPE FRANCIS, COMING TO BE A
CELEBRATED POPE.
WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY VALUES,
THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSION
BETWEEN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
NORTH AND SOUTH.
WHEN IT COMES TO FAMILY VALUES,
HOW IS THAT RIFT WHEN WE COMPARE
THE GLOBAL NORTH TO THE GLOBAL
SOUTH?

Alicia says THE
CHALLENGES ARE DIFFERENT.
THE VALUES ARE STILL THERE.
BUT THE CHALLENGES ARE
DIFFERENT.
SO IN THE GLOBAL SOUTH, YOU'RE
LOOKING AT POVERTY IS REALLY
YOUR MAJOR CHALLENGE TO THE
FAMILY.
WHAT I'VE HEARD FRANCIS TALK
ABOUT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE
GLOBAL SOUTH, YOU'RE STILL
SEEING PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DESIRE
TO FORM A FAMILY, WHO HAVE A
DESIRE TO BE IN A PERMANENT
RELATIONSHIP, BUT THE CHALLENGES
ARE DIFFERENT.
IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT THAT THEY
CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THEIR
CHURCH DOESN'T ACCEPT THEM,
BECAUSE THEIR PARTNERS OF THE
SAME SEX OR BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN
DIVORCED AND REMARRIED, THE
CHALLENGE THERE IS: WE JUST
CAN'T AFFORD IT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LIVE TOGETHER
BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE
A WEDDING.
AND WE HAVE THESE CHILDREN AND
WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THEM THE
BEST WE CAN EVEN IF THE CHURCH
SAYS WE'RE KIND OF WRONG, BUT WE
CAN'T AFFORD ANY OTHER WAY.

Piya says THAT IS SO
INTERESTING.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD OVER THE
LAST 10, 15 MINUTES TALKING
ABOUT THIS TONAL SHIFT AND I
THINK THIS IS A BIT OF AN UNFAIR
QUESTION BECAUSE I'M GOING TO
ASK YOU TO SORT OF STEREOTYPE A
COMMUNITY OF MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS, BUT DO CATHOLICS WANT
TO SEE A MORE OPEN TONE FROM THE
CHURCH, AND IF SO, WILL THEY BE
ACCEPTING OF IT IF IT DOESN'T,
DOWN THE ROAD, MEANS IT MAKES NO
CHANGES?

Alicia says I THINK --
OKAY, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S
KIND OF UNFAIR TO STEREOTYPE
SUCH A LARGE GROUP.
THERE ISN'T ANY ONE ANSWER TO
THAT BECAUSE WITHIN THE
CHURCH -- AND HERE I CAN ONLY
SPEAK MOST OF THE NORTH AMERICAN
CHURCH, THAT'S WHAT I LIVE,
THAT'S WHAT I SEE MOST.
THERE'S A POLARIZATION.
THERE'S A LEFT AND RIGHT
POLARIZATION.
SO WE WILL SEE CATHOLICS WHO ARE
VERY HAPPY WITH THE TONAL
CHANGE, WHO ARE VERY HAPPY THAT
FINALLY WHAT WE'RE HEARING, AT
LEAST ON THE PASTORAL LEVEL,
REFLECTS REALITY AND WE'RE GOING
TO SEE CATHOLICS WHO WILL, YOU
KNOW, COME OUT AND SAY THAT THIS
WHOLE CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN
HAD AT THE SYNOD JUST SHOULD NOT
HAVE HAPPENED AT ALL AND THE
CHURCH IS CAPITULATING ON THE
TRUTH AND WE'RE GOING TO HELL IN
A HAND BASKET AND WE ALL NEED TO
GET DOWN OUR KNEES AND PRAY FOR
SALVATION AND APOLOGIZE NOW.
SO THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ONE
REACTION.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE TWO
STREAMS CONTINUE.

Piya says WE WILL SEE WHAT
COMES OUT OF THE SYNOD AS
THERE'S A MORE FINAL REPORT
TOMORROW.

A caption reads ‘Vatican values. theagenda.tvo.org.’

Piya concludes NO DOUBT PEOPLE WILL
BE WATCHING
TO SEE WHAT CHANGE IF ANY THIS
HAS DONE THE ROAD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Alicia says IT'S BEEN
A PLEASURE AS ALWAYS. 

5 comments:

Barona said...

Alicia also claimed on a Salt and Light Tv programme that this was the first time a synod dealt with "delicate issues". Obviously, she has never read Familiaris consortio. Further - the reception of Holy Communion for an unrepentant adulterer. as well as active homosexuality acts are not "delicate" issues. They are grave sins.

lucianoeugenio said...

A sad commentary of the continuing slide of S and L into dissent. And the very sad part is the the man heading all this up is now a spokesman for the vatican. But this too shall pass. JMJ have mercy on us and please Cardinal Burke and the others who are at the service of the Truth.

Anonymous said...

God bless you for speaking to all these Catholic men. They are definitely doing an injustice to our Holy Catholic Church and all their followers.

As you have stated, they have forgotten who the real evil is: Satan - divide and conquer!

Thank you for informing many about Fr. Rosica's agenda. He is a sly fox and has many followers who think he is the holiest and most reverent man who is connected with such a good Catholic tv station.

I have observed him personally interacting with children and other individuals and they come to think of him as the kind, well informed face of the Catholic Church!

Again God bless, for your wonderful and informative work for Holy Mother Church.

TLM said...

Anyone see the obscene 'Tweet' by Fr. Timothy Scott? He is the Director of the Catholic Media in Canada, and the Head of the Canadian Bishops Conference I believe? Here you to the tweet in all it's GLORY!

" Just some advice for Cardinal Burke STFU." Yes, 'Fr.' (title not appropriate) Scott has apologized and taken the tweet down but the original tweet has been copied by so many it is now online forever.

Anonymous said...

The 'smoke of satan' is affecting this man rosica and his apologists. May God have mercy on their souls.